TV Networks Say You're Breaking The Law When You Skip Commercials
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Comercial breaks in the Netherlands are 10 minutes every half hour. Which is fine by me.
Moved to Australia a while back they are 5-15 minutes every 15 minutes. Becomes really anoying.
I can only imagine what you americans have to go trough. I hear its even worse.
[QUOTE=taipan;36104590]Comercial breaks in the Netherlands are 10 minutes every half hour. Which is fine by me.
Moved to Australia a while back they are 5-15 minutes every 15 minutes. Becomes really anoying.
I can only imagine what you americans have to go trough. I hear its even worse.[/QUOTE]
It's terrible. I only use my TV to watch F1, Aussie V8 Supercars, BTCC and Mythbusters. Everything else I get online.
Of those I can at least watch the racing live, because most of the commercials have sweet V8 noises in the background. I may not want what they're selling(Once in a while something airs advertising something I already buy, like the below example) but at least they sound nice and are reasonably volume levelled. Also, this shit is absolute gold:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEjpdcCn8jQ[/media]
Oh, and then there's this, which A: is pretty sweet race footage, and B: Actually makes me want a fucking go-pro. It's probably the only ad currently airing that makes me want a given product. It does everything right as far as selling the product. Simple, volume levelled, shows what the product does, isn't full of bad acting and terrible writing.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WL4mIV48FA[/media]
still wouldn't buy a gopro though. Don't want a fisheye lens, can't find a proper lens for them.
[QUOTE=catbarf;36092240]Advertisements are the site's form of payment, as it is your viewing of the ad that generates revenue for the site's continual operation. If you block ads, you're accessing the site's content but without generating any revenue for them. Piracy would be accessing the same content, again without the company receiving any payment. I don't see how the analogy is invalid, it's the same principle either way and the end result is the same. [/quote]
Sites like youtube and Escapist are so badly infested that they're next to unbrowsable without ABP turned on. Youtube literally so. I simply can't watch YT vids in the overlay browser, for example, because the ads make the entire overlay spazz out.
Besides, you don't need ABP to block ads. You can do it through your hosts file if you know the appropriate domains. Redirect them to 127.0.0.1 and done. Best part? No way for a site to detect that.
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The same goes for websites. Using Adblock on sites you enjoy and want to continue existing is pretty short-sighted and downright selfish. If you like a site and use it frequently, don't block their ads, or you're taking advantage of the site's content while simultaneously cutting off their income.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, the security of my computer and my sanity take precedence. Ads on the net are a great way for malware to slip onto trusted sites, they lag lower-end internet out, they use up bandwidth caps needlessly, they're annoying, and NOBODY wants what they're selling. They serve no purpose but to annoy on the user's side of things.
I see no wrong in using ABP and will never stop using it.
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;36091379]Adblock only works because so few people use it. If it were used by even just 20% of the internet then Google and other people would have to possibly lay people off and redirect people from improving the internet to making an Adblock blocker so that the advertisers don't freak out.[/quote] You do realize that ad blocker usage is, indeed, pretty damn close to 20%, right? Some ISPs even offer ad blocking services as part of the plan!
[quote]If you use Adblock you are as good as pirating the product/service.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit and you know it. I use ABP and I wouldn't have it any other way. fuck the ads. I want to see the web site, not a banner trying to get me to buy a shitty mother fucking Toyota.
I don't see how ABP is any better than piracy. Of course some would argue that both are harmless, these same people are full of shit.
Correct me if I'm, wrong but... if the machine had to record the broadcasts in the first place, then didn't it technically 'watch' those commercials the first time around? What obligation does the user then have to effectively 'rewatch' those commercials on a non-live viewing?
Retarded.
[QUOTE=Sobek-;36104827]Correct me if I'm, wrong but... if the machine had to record the broadcasts in the first place, then didn't it technically 'watch' those commercials the first time around? What obligation does the user then have to effectively 'rewatch' those commercials on a non-live viewing?
Retarded.[/QUOTE]
Well theoretically yes, but let's not be ignorant here and all pretend that most people actually watch it while it's being recorded.
[QUOTE=catbarf;36092240]The same goes for websites. Using Adblock on sites you enjoy and want to continue existing is pretty short-sighted and downright selfish. If you like a site and use it frequently, don't block their ads, or you're taking advantage of the site's content while simultaneously cutting off their income.[/QUOTE]
There are two ways in which you can use ABP to [b]improve[/b] the quality of ads from being annoying little shits to being bearable (regardless of if you click the fuckers or not):
- Tell ABP to allow "acceptable advertising". What this does is it enables an exception list that lets ads through if they're unobtrusive and non-distracting (usually text-only). This list is maintained by the people that maintain ABP. They reach agreements with advertisers where if the advertisers only show THAT sort of ad, ABP will let it through. If an advertiser abuses it, they're blocked like everyone else.
- Whitelist sites that do advertising acceptably. What fukung.net used to do (they've stopped showing ads for some reason) was have ads that fit in with the rest of the content on the site (random, typically amusing images). [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5733962/ZScreen/SS-2011-11-10_18.34.38.png]One example.[/url]
I dunno if this was brought up already, but isn't skipping them after recording the show basically the same as skipping the broadcast and watching the show on Netflix? Either way, you pay money and get your movie with no ads.
[QUOTE=taipan;36104590]Comercial breaks in the Netherlands are 10 minutes every half hour. Which is fine by me.
Moved to Australia a while back they are 5-15 minutes every 15 minutes. Becomes really anoying.
I can only imagine what you americans have to go trough. I hear its even worse.[/QUOTE]
It really isn't that bad. When I watch TV I just put one program I want to watch on one digital tuner and switch to double play and watch something else on the other tuner, and I switch between the two tuners when one program goes on a commercial break. Generally, when the other program goes to a commercial the first program's commercial break is over or I have a lot of time to rewind it and watch from right after the commercial break ended.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36104799]I don't see how ABP is any better than piracy. Of course some would argue that both are harmless, these same people are full of shit.[/QUOTE]"Stopping content you don't want to see from being displayed."
"Obtaining content without paying for it."
Exactly the same. Good logic.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;36104904]Well theoretically yes, but let's not be ignorant here and all pretend that most people actually watch it while it's being recorded.[/QUOTE]
Sort of defeats the point of recording it in the first place. I record most of my stuff explicitly to skip the commercials, I rarely watch live anymore, and I imagine this is true for the vast majority of tivo users.
Joke's on all of you ! I never watch TV or use Netflix for TV, except for Doctor Who. Shit.
I often record one channel that has something interesting on while I watch another. When adverts come on, I switch over. Fuck the system.
I don't understand. Why is this even an issue? When you're recording something, your box is still "watching" it, and it counts as such for the ad payout.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36105455]"Stopping content you don't want to see from being displayed."
"Obtaining content without paying for it."
Exactly the same. Good logic.[/QUOTE]
Except that using ABP is like obtaining content (viewing a Web site, using up valuable bandwidth) without indirectly paying for it via ad viewing. My logic is excellent, my logic is fine, and both things continue to be pretty damn deplorable to me.
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[QUOTE=Sobek-;36104827]Correct me if I'm, wrong but... if the machine had to record the broadcasts in the first place, then didn't it technically 'watch' those commercials the first time around? What obligation does the user then have to effectively 'rewatch' those commercials on a non-live viewing?
Retarded.[/QUOTE]
The advertiser doesn't want a machine to view it. The advertiser wants a person to view it. These days when the results come in for how many people "watched" it, they have to take it with a grain of salt.
The advertisers are aware of this. The NETWORKS are aware of this.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36109449]Except that using ABP is like obtaining content (viewing a Web site, using up valuable bandwidth) without indirectly paying for it via ad viewing. My logic is excellent, my logic is fine, and both things continue to be pretty damn deplorable to me.
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Except Adblock still loads the ads, and then removes them. There is no way to tell whether the ad is viewed or not, sites don't get paid per click with most adverts - the fact that they are on the site is what generates revenue. No-one can stop people from using adblock, you [b]cannot[/b] police the internet.
[QUOTE=Legend286;36109563]Except Adblock still loads the ads, and then removes them. There is no way to tell whether the ad is viewed or not, sites don't get paid per click with most adverts - the fact that they are on the site is what generates revenue. No-one can stop people from using adblock, you [b]cannot[/b] police the internet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36109449]The advertiser doesn't want a machine to view it. The advertiser wants a person to view it. These days when the results come in for how many people "watched" it, they have to take it with a grain of salt.
The advertisers are aware of this. The NETWORKS are aware of this.[/QUOTE]
It would be a similar situation to this if even if what you said weren't utter shit
[quote]Like Mozilla's built-in image blocker, Adblock blocks HTTP requests according to their source address and can block iframes, scripts, and Flash. It also uses automatically generated user stylesheets to hide elements such as text ads on a page as they load instead of blocking them, known as element hiding.[2][/quote]
Blocked HTTP request? Sure seems like that constitutes a failure to load. Yes, I am aware that the next part describes when advertisements are permitted to load, though.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36109616]It would be a similar situation to this if even if what you said weren't utter shit
Blocked HTTP request? Sure seems like that constitutes a failure to load. Yes, I am aware that the next part describes when advertisements are permitted to load, though.[/QUOTE]
Well regardless, realise that no matter what people are going to block ads and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
That's a pretty bad attitude when applied to [I]anything[/I]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36089232]The only commercial I actually don't mind is technically an infomercial and it is the original Magic Bullet Blender infommercial. For some reason I would actually get excited about that commercial when it would come on. Then they stopped running and started running that ridiculous Baby Bullet thing.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Gn8jt55LQ[/media]
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This one?
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36110377]That's a pretty bad attitude when applied to [I]anything[/I][/QUOTE]
Not really, I block ads because it's my computer and I can choose what I want to view when using it. An advertisement isn't going to make me want to buy something, so there is no point in having to put up with them.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36104799]I don't see how ABP is any better than piracy. Of course some would argue that both are harmless, these same people are full of shit.[/QUOTE]
So what you're saying is, if I, 10 years ago, video taped something (while passing over the ads) and watch it later, I'm a pirate? How about if I buy a gaming mag and rip all the ads out?
Elecbullet, you aren't even making sense with this shit.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36110711]So what you're saying is, if I, 10 years ago, video taped something (while passing over the ads) and watch it later, I'm a pirate? How about if I buy a gaming mag and rip all the ads out?
Elecbullet, you aren't even making sense with this shit.[/QUOTE]
It's because he's blatantly white knighting in the hope that someone might agree with him.
Comparing blocking adverts on webpages to piracy, are you kidding me...
[QUOTE=Legend286;36110613]Not really, I block ads because it's my computer and I can choose what I want to view when using it. An advertisement isn't going to make me want to buy something, so there is no point in having to put up with them.[/QUOTE]
No that is a bad attitude when applied to anything because "there's nothing anyone can do about it" is blatantly false, regardless of whether or not I am correct about ABP.
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[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36110711]So what you're saying is, if I, 10 years ago, video taped something (while passing over the ads) and watch it later, I'm a pirate? How about if I buy a gaming mag and rip all the ads out?
Elecbullet, you aren't even making sense with this shit.[/QUOTE]
You're not making sense. What the [I]fuck[/I] are you saying?
I am not saying commercial skippers are pirates, not by any definition. I'm saying that piracy, commercial skipping, and ABP are on the same level.
Actually I could see how you could have gotten from my posts that I was calling commercial skippers pirates. But I was not.
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[QUOTE=Legend286;36110741]It's because he's blatantly white knighting in the hope that someone might agree with him.
Comparing blocking adverts on webpages to piracy, are you kidding me...[/QUOTE]
It is a valid comparison.
Do networks even get ad money when you watch ads through a recording?
Am I the only person who actually likes to watch commercials? You learn about new products and such. Sure it gets old after you've seen the same one 37 times, but still, I find it fun to see things for the first time.
[QUOTE=Agoat;36110880]Do networks even get ad money when you watch ads through a recording?[/QUOTE]
How do they know that if it was recorded or not?
[QUOTE=BackflipHatchetAttack;36110973]Am I the only person who actually likes to watch commercials? You learn about new products and such. Sure it gets old after you've seen the same one 37 times, but still, I find it fun to see things for the first time.[/QUOTE]
I enjoy a lot of commercials. My father has the polar opposite opinion, and regularly when I sit down to watch TV with him I usually find myself wondering what was in that commercial I saw a moment of before skipping.
If this involves internet ads...
Well...
I use AdBlock Plus, so basically my reaction to any ads ever is
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[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36110822]It is a valid comparison.[/QUOTE]No it isn't. How can you seriously think that? Its absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Finally! Now I am forced to watch advertisements trying to get me to buy something that I will [B]NEVER[/B] buy.
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