Thousands of students protest in London - Police threaten to use rubber bullets if necessary
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[QUOTE=Swilly;33200318]Thanks for the dumbs guys. I don't want to be part of the fucking farce.
It was meant as massive 'God dammit'.[/QUOTE]
It really is shit.
[QUOTE=Gareth;33199757]It's like they're trying to force us to become even more uneducated. Paying 30-50k to get a university degree, with another 15k of debt and then trying to save up enough to pay for a house all with a £15,000 salary? What a fucking joke[/QUOTE]
Imagine paying 60-100k to get a degree. Land of the brave, home of the enormous debts.
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[QUOTE=Edthefirst;33200079]What a terrible thing to say. You can't make that comparison. Just because you pay more, doesn't mean it is the same situation. Not only are living expenses more in the UK, but they've always had lower (equivalent) prices than in the US. It makes sense that they want to retain them. Just because it's higher somewhere else doesn't mean they don't have a right to complain. Every time gas prices skyrocket in the US people complain like crazy, but according to you we shouldn't complain since other places have gasoline more expensive than we do.
It's all having to do with a combination of factors.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he was saying you shouldn't complain, he was just pointing out this is the way it's been in the US forever. It's funny seeing you guys complain about what's 'standard college stuff' here.
I just got back from it, while I was there it was quite peaceful then I left so I don't know whats happened now.
[QUOTE=Amplar;33200279]lol, brits whining about having to pay for school
Try getting an education in the US.[/QUOTE]
You are a dumbass.
[QUOTE=Jawalt;33200572]It's funny seeing you guys complain about what's 'standard college stuff' here.[/QUOTE]
They're campaigning so it doesn't get as bad as the US standard, it may look somewhat pathetic to Americans, but still, massive prices for education is what you've always known
Alternatively, instead of paying 9k for uni we could stop giving MPs massive bonuses and free London houses.
Also some universities said they would be opening any places not taken by foreign students to British students which can cost up to 3x as much, so people are seeing this as saying rich students can 'buy' a place.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;33200079]What a terrible thing to say. You can't make that comparison. Just because you pay more, doesn't mean it is the same situation. Not only are living expenses more in the UK, but they've always had lower (equivalent) prices than in the US. It makes sense that they want to retain them. Just because it's higher somewhere else doesn't mean they don't have a right to complain. Every time gas prices skyrocket in the US people complain like crazy, but according to you we shouldn't complain since other places have gasoline more expensive than we do.
It's all having to do with a combination of factors.[/QUOTE]
What a terrible thing to say. What right does another man have over another to deprive him of knowledge acquisition? Who the fuck are these corporations to control your very way of life to the point that your entire being is subject to a world bank? From your schooling to your everyday needs such as water you succumb to these motherfuckers and your attitude isn't helping.
[QUOTE=Amplar;33200279]lol, brits whining about having to pay for school
Try getting an education in the US.[/QUOTE]
You twat. Lotta good your education did you
US complains about rising gas prices enough, let us have this. I was going to uni, now I can't and I have to rethink my life because of this
I was all for going to university but this year (final year of sixth form) I changed my mind. I do not want to spend my whole life in more debt than I need to. They are trying their hardest to put people off of education.
why can't you?
you're coming out with more debt, yes. but you'll also be on a higher paycheque before you start paying it back. you pay no upfront fees at all, so why has this increase actually prevented you from going?
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@superman
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not wanting to live a life of debt is a fair enough reason, but you make it sound like before the increase you could go, and now you suddenly can't
Holy fuck that's a lot of money to pay, I thought we had it bad in Ireland where college fees are around 2000 euro and might be raised to 5000. That's like 13000 euro a year over in England, fuck shit.
Hopefully the protests solve something.
[QUOTE=Autumn;33201001]why can't you?
you're coming out with more debt, yes. but you'll also be on a higher paycheque before you start paying it back. you pay no upfront fees at all, so why has this increase actually prevented you from going?
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@superman
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not wanting to live a life of debt is a fair enough reason, but you make it sound like before the increase you could go, and now you suddenly can't[/QUOTE]
Higher pay once you come out isn't guaranteed at all. Unfortunately, it's not what you know but who you know.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33200558]It really is shit.[/QUOTE]
It is, the worst part is I'm already burned out and I'm only a sophomore.
I think that's a especially valid point right now.
If you can't find a job you can't justify the money it cost to get a piece of paper.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;33201127]I think that's a especially valid point right now.
If you can't find a job you can't justify the money it cost to get a piece of paper.[/QUOTE]
Except you have to long at it on a long term basis.
Either the world capitalist system is going to collapse and the debt will vanish, we'll live in a horrible oppressive(er) society and everyone will be permanently indentured or the job market will bounce back
[QUOTE=Contag;33201168]Except you have to long at it on a long term basis.
Either the world capitalist system is going to collapse and the debt will vanish, we'll live in a horrible oppressive(er) society and everyone will be permanently indentured or the job market will bounce back[/QUOTE]
I like how there are only two scenarios.
[QUOTE=jaykray;33201105]Higher pay once you come out isn't guaranteed at all. Unfortunately, it's not what you know but who you know.[/QUOTE]
i didn't say it was. what i said is that you're earning more *before* you start paying back.
so it can go two ways
a) you don't get a good job and end up earning less than 21k (i think) and never pay your fees back, which isn't great
or b) you get into an alright job and are earning over 21k, which is a reasonable paycheque, though you will now be paying back student fees. on the plus you're at least earning 21k, on the minus a proportion of your paycheque you're never going to see.
agreed it's not a great position to be in, and myself having started university in 2009 i feel very lucky that i'm only paying the current fees, but i don't see why people are saying "before this i was going to go to university, but now i [b]can't[/b]". you can say that it's a bad deal compared to what current students are paying, and that maybe you've had to reconsider your choices in further education, but to say flat out that because of these fee increases it's impossible for you to go to uni is bull.
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[QUOTE=jaykray;33201105]Unfortunately, it's not what you know but who you know.[/QUOTE]
not to mention (depending on your field) you're more likely to meet contacts during your time at university than anywhere else
I hope that this stays peaceful, the government are less likely to do anything if this turns into a riot
I would have gone to this but A) I was hungover and B) I have degree work to do for December.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33201209]I like how there are only two scenarios.[/QUOTE]
Three, actually.
Besides, what outcome do you think would result from long term permanent unemployment?
[QUOTE=peaceful guy;33201299]I hope that this stays peaceful, the government are less likely to do anything if this turns into a riot[/QUOTE]
The government aren't likely to do anything full stop.
[QUOTE=Jasun;33201744]The government aren't likely to do anything full stop.[/QUOTE]
I know but if there is a riot the government will use it as an excuse not to do anything
[QUOTE=Contag;33201401]Three, actually.
Besides, what outcome do you think would result from long term permanent unemployment?[/QUOTE]
This is terrible.
Facebook is getting uneasy and the usual negative types are now resorting to either helping out the oppressive regime by means of military or laugh at your weakness
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the UK police one way or another is made of up cowards. They hardly done anything when hooligans were tearing the damn place apart, but when students protest over debts they threaten to shoot them with rubber bullets?
This reminds me too much of the unprofessional slobs we have in the states who mace kettled women and shoot veterans and cameramen alike unprovoked, but will completely duck out as soon as any real trouble arises.
i think it's more the potential problems that could arise from said officers "acting out" rather than them being cowards. i think calling them cowards is somewhat insulting. blame the government, not the police on the streets.
[QUOTE=pg.;33201999]Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the UK police one way or another is made of up cowards. They hardly done anything when hooligans were tearing the damn place apart, but when students protest over debts they threaten to shoot them with rubber bullets?[/QUOTE]
I agree with the first part, but I think they are being tough this time so it doesn't escalate in to what happened last time
[QUOTE=cr2142;33200053]I like how the police are threatening to use rubber bullets against these protesters, even though the riots in august were like 5x bigger then this...[/QUOTE]
That is what they were trying to stop a repeat of, that is why they were pre authorised if needed.
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[QUOTE=pg.;33201999]Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the UK police one way or another is made of up cowards. They hardly done anything when hooligans were tearing the damn place apart, but when students protest over debts they threaten to shoot them with rubber bullets?
This reminds me too much of the unprofessional slobs we have in the states who mace kettled women and shoot veterans and cameramen alike unprovoked, but will completely duck out as soon as any real trouble arises.[/QUOTE]
Its not so much they are cowards its that there is miles of red tape that has to be dealt with to be able to use things.
Not to mention it seems that most of the "weapons" that the police have access to are not allowed to be used for public order.
[QUOTE=peaceful guy;33202038]I agree with the first part, but I think they are being tough this time so it doesn't escalate in to what happened last time[/QUOTE]
Well I can understand that, but didn't the police act rather harshly the last time students protested? This being before the August protests?
I can't say I'm informed as you guys are, I don't live in the UK after-all, just sharing my opinion
Do scholarships not exist the UK or something? I wrote about five essays and my tuition is completely paid for. All I pay for are books and living expenses.
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