• Thousands of students protest in London - Police threaten to use rubber bullets if necessary
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they do exist, but they're pretty rare here
In the riots, the police admitted they were cautious about using force as in the G20 protests, an officer pushed a man to the ground who later died. The officer was fired, arrested, and charged with manslaughter.
[QUOTE=Autumn;33201213]i didn't say it was. what i said is that you're earning more *before* you start paying back. so it can go two ways a) you don't get a good job and end up earning less than 21k (i think) and never pay your fees back, which isn't great or b) you get into an alright job and are earning over 21k, which is a reasonable paycheque, though you will now be paying back student fees. on the plus you're at least earning 21k, on the minus a proportion of your paycheque you're never going to see. agreed it's not a great position to be in, and myself having started university in 2009 i feel very lucky that i'm only paying the current fees, but i don't see why people are saying "before this i was going to go to university, but now i [b]can't[/b]". you can say that it's a bad deal compared to what current students are paying, and that maybe you've had to reconsider your choices in further education, but to say flat out that because of these fee increases it's impossible for you to go to uni is bull. [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] not to mention (depending on your field) you're more likely to meet contacts during your time at university than anywhere else[/QUOTE] I'm not saying I [b]can't[/b] I'm saying I don't want to now.
Wait, is this $7,000 a year JUST for tuition? People from the US (like me) also need to realize what might be 25K for people in the UK is like 50k for us (on a good day). The pound is usually much higher than the US dollar. For comparison, I go to one of the best public universities in the United States, and for tuition I'm "paying" $4,500 a semester, but since I scored an "excel" on all three of my high school passing exams, I have a free ride for all four years, provided I'm a full-time student.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;33202518]Wait, is this $7,000 a year JUST for tuition? People from the US (like me) also need to realize what might be 25K for people in the UK is like 50k for us (on a good day). The pound is usually much higher than the US dollar.[/QUOTE] And the fact you guys earn more, get taxed less and generally have a cheaper standard of living. I'm starting to get a feeling that the government are forcing everyone into poverty so they can have 3 houses instead 1 and be able to buy that BMW they've always wanted
[QUOTE=Gareth;33202610]And the fact you guys earn more, get taxed less and generally have a cheaper standard of living. I'm starting to get a feeling that the government are forcing everyone into poverty so they can have 3 houses instead 1 and be able to buy that BMW they've always wanted[/QUOTE] BMW? Clegg has a £300,000 bomb proof Jag [img]http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/dec2010/6/7/image-1-for-sunday-mirror-pics-19-12-2010-gallery-613373633.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/19/300k-bombproof-car-to-protect-nick-clegg-from-protesters-115875-22793359/[/url]
For those telling people from the UK to "stop bitching", here's a quote: "Annette Webb, an international development student at Portsmouth University, said tripling tuition fees to 9,000 pounds ($14,000) from next year 'will price out most students.'" You won't pay that much for tuition at ANY public university in the United States, and when schools here raise tuition prices, it's by $500 every two years because that's FEDERAL LAW. Hey look, a federal law in the United States that PROTECTS American students!
Open source education please. [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ewitwins;33202710]For those telling people from the UK to "stop bitching", here's a quote: "Annette Webb, an international development student at Portsmouth University, said tripling tuition fees to 9,000 pounds ($14,000) from next year 'will price out most students.'" You won't pay that much for tuition at ANY public university in the United States, and when schools here raise tuition prices, it's by $500 every two years because that's FEDERAL LAW. Hey look, a federal law in the United States that PROTECTS American students![/QUOTE] Is it hard to get into an uni in US if you're from europe? I think going to US but I don't know if they will let me in.
It's also incredibly annoying that this is happening because Nick Clegg "promised" that if he got elected he would vote against raising tuition fees.
Government is going to rob you out of your money and then shoot you in the face.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33202790]Open source education please. [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] Is it hard to get into an uni in US if you're from europe? I think going to US but I don't know if they will let me in.[/QUOTE] No it's usually easier, you guys are attractive to our universities because it means "diversity"
[QUOTE=Autumn;33201213]i didn't say it was. what i said is that you're earning more *before* you start paying back. so it can go two ways a) you don't get a good job and end up earning less than 21k (i think) and never pay your fees back, which isn't great or b) you get into an alright job and are earning over 21k, which is a reasonable paycheque, though you will now be paying back student fees. on the plus you're at least earning 21k, on the minus a proportion of your paycheque you're never going to see. agreed it's not a great position to be in, and myself having started university in 2009 i feel very lucky that i'm only paying the current fees, but i don't see why people are saying "before this i was going to go to university, but now i [b]can't[/b]". you can say that it's a bad deal compared to what current students are paying, and that maybe you've had to reconsider your choices in further education, but to say flat out that because of these fee increases it's impossible for you to go to uni is bull. [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] not to mention (depending on your field) you're more likely to meet contacts during your time at university than anywhere else[/QUOTE] The new tuition fee system amounts to a tax on higher education. We shouldn't be taxing people because they are educated. We should be taxing them because they are rich.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;33202873]No it's usually easier, you guys are attractive to our universities because it means "diversity"[/QUOTE]Well I am not black or asian.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33203249]Well I am not black or asian.[/QUOTE] You're Latvian, for American universities that means diversity :v:
actually Asians are pretty disadvantaged when it comes to admissions in the US.
[QUOTE=Gareth;33202610]And the fact you guys earn more, get taxed less and generally have a cheaper standard of living. I'm starting to get a feeling that the government are forcing everyone into poverty so they can have 3 houses instead 1 and be able to buy that BMW they've always wanted[/QUOTE] Since when did Americans earn more than the British?
They're lucky. If that was in the US they would have been lit up with tear gas.
[QUOTE=Contag;33203337]Since when did Americans earn more than the British?[/QUOTE] Americans take more home because they pay somewhat lower taxes and earn somewhat higher salaries (UK Median Household - 25K, US Median Household - 31K), but somehow Britons fail to realize that on top of paying ridiculously high tuition for college (going to a top school can run 120k +), Americans also to have to pay for health care. Both costs dramatically outweigh any petty costs such as a higher price of gas or milk. Not to mention in some areas like New York City or San Francisco, the cost of living is also much higher. I'm not saying Britons don't have a right to complain, but comparatively speaking they don't have it nearly as bad as Americans when it comes to tuition costs.
The UK has its own north-south divide, in the south the cost of living is higher, but the salaries match that, in the north the cost of living is lower and that salaries match that too. The university fees seem to be the same all over the UK now though
[QUOTE=matt.ant;33202691]BMW? Clegg has a £300,000 bomb proof Jag [img]http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/dec2010/6/7/image-1-for-sunday-mirror-pics-19-12-2010-gallery-613373633.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/19/300k-bombproof-car-to-protect-nick-clegg-from-protesters-115875-22793359/[/url][/QUOTE] Who gives a fuck about Nick Clegg, just as bad as every politician going.
[QUOTE=matt.ant;33203928]The UK has its own north-south divide, in the south the cost of living is higher, but the salaries match that, in the north the cost of living is lower and that salaries match that too. The university fees seem to be the same all over the UK now though[/QUOTE] If you're from scotland you can go to uni there for free.
[QUOTE=jaykray;33202833]It's also incredibly annoying that this is happening because Nick Clegg "promised" that if he got elected he would vote against raising tuition fees.[/QUOTE] Yes if [B]he[/B] got elected, However he did not. Simple really. He is not going on back what he said.
[QUOTE=benjojo;33204711]Yes if [B]he[/B] got elected, However he did not. Simple really. He is not going on back what he said.[/QUOTE] It's still a dick move.
[QUOTE=benjojo;33204711]Yes if [B]he[/B] got elected, However he did not. Simple really. He is not going on back what he said.[/QUOTE] "I pledge to vote against" He voted for [img]http://blogs.susu.org/sabbs/files/2010/11/Nick-Clegg-tuition-fees-pledge.jpg[/img]
I have no idea how I didn't hear about this before it happened. I live in London, go to Uni and have been in central all day. I'll be happy to join any further protests.
$40,000 (29,500 euro/year) going to school here :( [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] also to all of those who think the cost of living is lower in the US, therefore you can't compare the prices of higher education... in the US average student debt is $25,300 right now. The student debt crisis is among one of the leading issues, we definitely cannot pay for our education. It's one of the things that will always haunt you as you are growing up here. That's why there's so many thoughtless "lol try living in the US" posts because we have lived through this during our entire lives... and recently you guys are all "I'M NOT PAYING SHIT". I know there's a difference in normality in the US compared to the UK. but its hard to accept.
Hard to say you're free when your protests are this controlled by authority, who are in a way the very people you are protesting.
[QUOTE=Andokool12;33210650]Hard to say you're free when your protests are this controlled by authority, who are in a way the very people you are protesting.[/QUOTE] wat do the police have to do with legislature
[QUOTE=BaconMan_lol;33210328]in the US average student debt is $25,300 right now.[/QUOTE] [ just for the record, the average student debt in the UK is now going to be £53,000 ($85,000) ]
I like how a year or so ago the government also sneakily raised interest payments on student loans as well, so if you start next year you're charged the rate of inflation plus an extra 3% whilst you study, then at a minimum you pay interest at the rate of inflation. Considering that inflation is running at 5+% at the moment, and that really adds up. On the old scheme it's linked to banks, and you pay about 1.5% interest at the moment.
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