Thousands of students protest in London - Police threaten to use rubber bullets if necessary
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[QUOTE=Autumn;33214039][ just for the record, the average student debt in the UK is now going to be £53,000 ($85,000) ][/QUOTE]
Yes, people need to remember this is just the cost of the course itself, the cost of living is a different loan
Also on the topic of using the rubber bullets, if you remember when they announced the fee increases last year, there were huge student protests and they smashed up one of the government buildings really bad, someone also threw a fire extinguisher off the roof and it hit a policeman on the head.
I was happy about the student protests against the fees here in Newcastle until some idiot defaced the statue of Winston Churchill.
[QUOTE=Lilolia;33215540]Also on the topic of using the rubber bullets, if you remember when they announced the fee increases last year, there were huge student protests and they smashed up one of the government buildings really bad,[B] someone also threw a fire extinguisher off the roof and it hit a policeman on the head.[/B]
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It didn't, he missed, although I think he was arrested for attempted murder
[QUOTE=Lilolia;33215540]Also on the topic of using the rubber bullets, if you remember when they announced the fee increases last year, there were huge student protests and they smashed up one of the government buildings really bad, someone also threw a fire extinguisher off the roof and it hit a policeman on the head.
I was happy about the student protests against the fees here in Newcastle until some idiot defaced the statue of Winston Churchill.[/QUOTE]
actually the fire extinguisher didn't hit anyone, if it did I'm pretty sure he would have gotten a much harsher sentence
It feels so unreal that people in other countries actually have to pay so much money for their educations, when here in Sweden pretty much all education is free. When you get to Högskolan (similar to College/University) you just need to pay for stuff like books, pencils and food. This seems to work really well I think, everyone has a chance for higher education, regardless of their income/social status. Why can't other countries see this and adopt a similar system?
Oh I get it, it's because it's SOCIALIST, isn't it? :v:
[QUOTE=Beaverlake;33215674]It feels so unreal that people in other countries actually have to pay so much money for their educations, when here in Sweden pretty much all education is free. When you get to Högskolan (similar to College/University) you just need to pay for stuff like books, pencils and food. This seems to work really well I think, everyone has a chance for higher education, regardless of their income/social status. Why can't other countries see this and adopt a similar system?
Oh I get it, it's because it's SOCIALIST, isn't it? :v:[/QUOTE]
Most of Europe (apart from the UK, actually I think [I]just[/I] England) has this system. Why can't all of Europe be god hating socialists like the stereotype seems to say?
[QUOTE=Autumn;33214039][ just for the record, the average student debt in the UK is now going to be £53,000 ($85,000) ][/QUOTE]
Why is this allowed?
Wow I go to school for 3k a semester (18 credit hours), before any grants/scholarships, I do not live on campus
Well, I'm still 7k a year in debt to the Student Loans company, I'd still have gone if tuition fees were 9k, the numbers are so high it just fails to concern me any more.
Upshot is it means less people go to university to study Etruscan Pottery and other such total bollocks though.
Is it that hard to get a part time job though? I do full credits and full time job and still find enough time to bullshit on the internet.
over here a full time job means 30+ hours a week which averages at 6 hours a day over 5 days, which no normal student here can provide when they're also studying full time at university
i think part time jobs are great for students though, but they're not always easy to get. for example, i go to a very large UK university (30k students) and that means that during term time there are a *lot* less jobs to go around, and those jobs that are available are often prioritised to students who worked there the year before. it's not impossible, but it's not that easy.
having a full time job and studying full time is not possible here though. we're not recommended to work over 16 hours a week.
[QUOTE=Autumn;33219644]over here a full time job means 30+ hours a week which averages at 6 hours a day over 5 days, which no normal student here can provide when they're also studying full time at university
i think part time jobs are great for students though, but they're not always easy to get. for example, i go to a very large UK university (30k students) and that means that during term time there are a *lot* less jobs to go around, and those jobs that are available are often prioritised to students who worked there the year before. it's not impossible, but it's not that easy.
having a full time job and studying full time is not possible here though. we're not recommended to work over 16 hours a week.[/QUOTE]
Full time job means 40 in the US, most of my friends also have part time jobs meaning 25-35hrs week, it isn't hard as long as you can manage a hour or 2 to sit down and study, hell I do night classes. Work is 830-5 then class 6-930 or 10. It really isn't hard to manage as long as you are willing to give up a Saturday Morning/Afternoon. But I guess everyone learns at a different pace. BTW I live near 3 Big name colleges, jobs are still easy to come buy, but that might be different n the UK where everything is cramped
i wouldn't say 3.5-4 hours of study a day equates to a full time university course, but i guess it depends on what you're studying
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plus a large majority of UK uni classes/lectures take place in the day
Are there not scholarship opportunities or federal grants available in the UK? ASU (also) has something called the Obama Scholars Program, where if your family makes less than combined 40k a year, ASU will cover ALL of your expenses for all 4 years. Like 40 or so of my friends are on the program, it's terrific.
like i said before, scholarships aren't unheard of, but they're fairly rare
here you get a maintenance grant (non repayable, not a loan) on top of your maintenance loan if your household income is less than £30k/annum. that's from the government, and often universities will offer their own grants/bursaries for students from low income families.
but scholarships aren't anything like as common as they are in the US.
[QUOTE=Jsm;33215723]Most of Europe (apart from the UK, actually I think [I]just[/I] England) has this system. Why can't all of Europe be god hating socialists like the stereotype seems to say?[/QUOTE]
God hating? we just have better priorities.
Like sleeping all Sunday because of a massive hangover.
[QUOTE=Autumn;33214039][ just for the record, the average student debt in the UK is now going to be £53,000 ($85,000) ][/QUOTE]
Jesus fucking christ, Thanks Politicians! I planned on being a doctor or scientist, But now, Fuck that. Need a heart transplant, Mr. Clegg? Well, I would but because of the increase in tuition i didn't get to go to uni, Thanks!
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It's also delicious how the police are already threatening rubber bullets when it took them nearly a week of rioting and mass destruction of houses to do so during the Croydon riots.
The education fee problem is grossly over exaggerated, the student loan is the way forward
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;33220054]Jesus fucking christ, Thanks Politicians! I planned on being a doctor or scientist, But now, Fuck that. Need a heart transplant, Mr. Clegg? Well, I would but because of the increase in tuition i didn't get to go to uni, Thanks![/QUOTE]
as i said before;
[QUOTE=Autumn;33201001]why can't you?
you're coming out with more debt, yes. but you'll also be on a higher paycheque before you start paying it back. you pay no upfront fees at all, so why has this increase actually prevented you from going?
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not wanting to live a life of debt is a fair enough reason, but you make it sound like before the increase you could go, and now you suddenly can't.[/QUOTE]
As far as debt goes, university debt is the best kind. Very low interest, you only pay it back when you earn enough, and you pay it back over a very long time. You won't find that with any other loans or mortgages.
[QUOTE=matt.ant;33220142]As far as debt goes, university debt is the best kind. Very low interest, you only pay it back when you earn enough, and you pay it back over a very long time. You won't find that with any other loans or mortgages.[/QUOTE]
oh, and in return you're getting an education that should (though sadly, is not guaranteed to) put you in a higher earning group than most who didn't go to university.
still seems like a worthwhile investment to me. and whilst i can understand people now having second thoughts because of the amount of debt they'll have acquired by the time they graduate, like i keep saying, there is nothing physically stopping you going to university any more than there was before the fee increases, so don't say that the increases have "prevented" you from going to uni.
There is a simple protest everyone can take part in.
University isn't restricted by age.
What is stopping you from applying next year? Fuck all thats what.
Everyone withdraw their applications dont apply next year. University's are business's they rely on students to keep themselves open what happens when nobody turns up next September they will fucking shit themselves and either
A) close down / watch lecturers protest once their nice 45k salary gets cut in half
B) offer cheaper education more likely.
I know guys on my course who are 35/40 there is nothing stopping you, if you have the grades ready to go now more than likely they will let you enrole in 5 / 10 years time.
[QUOTE=Autumn;33220120]as i said before;[/QUOTE]
I'm not stating that's what i'd do, I'm stating the mindset of the average person/aspiring medical practiconer, The average person would hear the average amount of debt and be like "Fuck that."
[QUOTE=Godline;33220210]There is a simple protest everyone can take part in.
University isn't restricted by age.
What is stopping you from applying next year? Fuck all thats what.
Everyone withdraw their applications dont apply next year. University's are business's they rely on students to keep themselves open what happens when nobody turns up next September they will fucking shit themselves and either
A) close down / watch lecturers protest once their nice 45k salary gets cut in half
B) offer cheaper education more likely.
I know guys on my course who are 35/40 there is nothing stopping you, if you have the grades ready to go now more than likely they will let you enrole in 5 / 10 years time.[/QUOTE]
yes everyone withdraw, dont get an education, stik it 2 da man
[QUOTE=Godline;33220210]Everyone withdraw their applications dont apply next year. University's are business's they rely on students to keep themselves open what happens when nobody turns up next September they will fucking shit themselves[/QUOTE]
and what about the other 2/3rds of students, that are already enrolled? lecturers will still have jobs even if an entire year fails to attend.
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oh, you mean *everyone* don't go to university?
lol
David Cameron can go fuck himself up his money-lined asshole for all I care. The country is to blame for voting him in the first place, but what do you expect after the joke of a prime minister we've had from Labour.
[QUOTE=Autumn;33220189]oh, and in return you're getting an education that should (though sadly, is not guaranteed to) put you in a higher earning group than most who didn't go to university.
still seems like a worthwhile investment to me. and whilst i can understand people now having second thoughts because of the amount of debt they'll have acquired by the time they graduate, like i keep saying, there is nothing physically stopping you going to university any more than there was before the fee increases, so don't say that the increases have "prevented" you from going to uni.[/QUOTE]
well I've heard from one of my friends that the loans next year aren't going to fully cover everything that he would have to pay for, and he can't get a job in our town, ergo he can't really go. I'm here and I can't really afford to be here honestly, I don't know if I'm going to have money by the end of the year to eat.
[QUOTE=Godline;33220210]There is a simple protest everyone can take part in.
University isn't restricted by age.
What is stopping you from applying next year? Fuck all thats what.
Everyone withdraw their applications dont apply next year. University's are business's they rely on students to keep themselves open what happens when nobody turns up next September they will fucking shit themselves and either
A) close down / watch lecturers protest once their nice 45k salary gets cut in half
B) offer cheaper education more likely.
I know guys on my course who are 35/40 there is nothing stopping you, if you have the grades ready to go now more than likely they will let you enrole in 5 / 10 years time.[/QUOTE]
I'm definitely not applying this year but have been thinking about going next year. Are there any disadvantages?
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33220339]well I've heard from one of my friends that the loans next year aren't going to fully cover everything that he would have to pay for, and he can't get a job in our town, ergo he can't really go. I'm here and I can't really afford to be here honestly, I don't know if I'm going to have money by the end of the year to eat.[/QUOTE]
The loans dont cover everything not by a long shot. If you want to socialise and eat a varied diet your going to need to dig into your savings if you have some.
Example I have a friend who differed for a year worked full time and planned to use that money to help him in his uni education he enrolled last year and his savings have been hit hard he says his rent is higher than he expected and that alot of his money is spent on 2nd hand text books.
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[QUOTE=jaykray;33220353]I'm definitely not applying this year but have been thinking about going next year. Are there any disadvantages?[/QUOTE]
None at all except this.
If there is a high demand for the course you wish to do the university MAY stick the UCAS points / Grade requirements up.
Hell just work but resit a few exams to get an extra grade or 2 what they cost £20 each ? fuck all if your working 5 days a week.
[QUOTE=Godline;33220392]The loans dont cover everything not by a long shot. If you want to socialise and eat a varied diet your going to need to dig into your savings if you have some.
Example I have a friend who differed for a year worked full time and planned to use that money to help him in his uni education he enrolled last year and his savings have been hit hard he says his rent is higher than he expected and that alot of his money is spent on 2nd hand text books.[/QUOTE]
that's happened with me, I can't really go out drinking unless other people are buying me drinks, which makes me feel like shit to be honest because I know I won't be able to return the favour for a long time
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