New CoD confirmed, Activision claims it will be "Full Of Innovation"
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[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34652448]Surely you typed that and went "This is a bit stupid, should I post this?" Because effectively your mind process is fucking bizarre "Hmm, what will win my argument? OH, I know, COMPLETELY generalise over 6.5 million people and say that the only people who have the right to determine if the game should exist are the ones who don't like it, yeah that'll make me win the argument."
I don't see how that's a trope being dragged out. They did it a few times. It was just to emphasis the fact that your character COULD die. It wasn't fucking going "OH NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT ANYMORE, PSYCHE LOL"
For someone who doesn't know a hell of a lot, you sure are talking for everyone.
That's like saying Mass Effect outselling Borderlands PROVES borderlands 2 will fail. Let me point out that skyrim sold .5 million more copies than MW3, that's really not a lot when you REALLY think about it. And beleive it or not, a lot of the Skyrim purchases were from people who also bought MW3.
There are a lot of people in this thread who dislike the series based on a bandwagon approach and don't really provide arguments, then some actually DO provide decent arguments. You're in the middle, you provide arguments, but they are mind-bogglingly stupid. How the hell do you get MW3's success from Skyrim's sales, that's just confounded logic that makes NO sense.
You are a very confusing person, and not a very intelligent one either.
[editline]11th February 2012[/editline]
uh because not everyone disliked the story? Really, you couldn't have figured that one out yourself?[/QUOTE]
Haha curl up in a ball and die you arrogant fuck. Insulting me does nothing but make you look like an infantile, arrogant douchebag. What I said isn't an over-generalisation because to be it would require everyone in the world to have purchased MW3. The protagonist dying is a trope because it's no longer an interesting twist if the last title did it too and any impact is lost in doing so. 0.5 million is a lot on the basis that you're trying to disprove what I'm saying. Also how in the fuck can you even back up that statement, where is the evidence that almost everyone who bought Skyrim also bought MW3. Your style of argument revolving around insulting the opposite party and breaking everything they say up into segments is not only stupid, pretentious and egotistical it is also ineffective, you're defending a franchise that by now has almost as many if not more installments than final fantasy and hasn't been going as long from being repetitive. Why not just accept that maybe modern conflicts have seen enough limelight and avoid looking retarded any more?
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The COD games would be better if they took more time to make one, or at least trying to use a different engine, or revise the one they have been using in ways more noticeable than slightly more realistic rag-doll physics.
[QUOTE=Someoneuduno;34655704]Haha curl up in a ball and die you arrogant fuck. Insulting me does nothing but make you look like an infantile, arrogant douchebag. What I said isn't an over-generalisation because to be it would require everyone in the world to have purchased MW3. The protagonist dying is a trope because it's no longer an interesting twist if the last title did it too and any impact is lost in doing so. 0.5 million is a lot on the basis that you're trying to disprove what I'm saying. Also how in the fuck can you even back up that statement, where is the evidence that almost everyone who bought Skyrim also bought MW3. Your style of argument revolving around insulting the opposite party and breaking everything they say up into segments is not only stupid, pretentious and egotistical it is also ineffective, you're defending a franchise that by now has almost as many if not more installments than final fantasy and hasn't been going as long from being repetitive. Why not just accept that maybe modern conflicts have seen enough limelight and avoid looking retarded any more?[/QUOTE]
Do you normally get this angry about video games or....?
[QUOTE=Rebi;34655829]The COD games would be better if they took more time to make one, or at least trying to use a different engine, or revise the one they have been using in ways more noticeable than slightly more realistic rag-doll physics.[/QUOTE]
So the games would be better if they used a different engine? What an arbitrary and illogical notion. The engine they have has been praised by the players and by the developers. It's lightweight, easy to work with, and runs on everything.
In fact the last thing I'd change about a CoD game is the engine.
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;34655405]I would hardly consider the MW3's survival mode "Brilliant." I'll admit it was a very nice inclusion but compared to other games with survival/horde modes it is severely lacking. It feels like a last minute addition with minimal effort put into designing it, much like the rest of the game feels.
However I trust Treyarch a lot more than I do IW to come up with an interesting sequel.[/QUOTE]
Lacking what? I can think of a few hiccups here and there, but nothing to call it tacked on.
[editline]12th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Someoneuduno;34655704]Haha curl up in a ball and die you arrogant fuck. Insulting me does nothing but make you look like an infantile, arrogant douchebag.[/quote]
I just want to point out you insulted me after telling me how wrong I was to insult you. Just saying.
[quote]What I said isn't an over-generalisation because to be it would require everyone in the world to have purchased MW3.[/quote]
Okay, what?
[quote]The protagonist dying is a trope because it's no longer an interesting twist if the last title did it too and any impact is lost in doing so.[/quote]
Alright, and that's your opinion. I mean, they only did it a few times throughout the series.
[quote]0.5 million is a lot on the basis that you're trying to disprove what I'm saying.[/quote]
It's hard to follow what exactly you're on about. you said the series is dying because skyrim outsold it. First off, the general argument is just pants on head retarded and so far away I have trouble comprehending it. And Second, I was buying into it and saying it ONLY sold a few percentile off.
[quote]Also how in the fuck can you even back up that statement, where is the evidence that almost everyone who bought Skyrim also bought MW3.[/quote]
I didn't say that, I said a good portion of Skyrim players bought MW3. I mean, i'm just providing arguments here to try and cut the insanity of your "skyrim outsold MW3, therefore MW3 is dying".
[quote]Your style of argument revolving around insulting the opposite party and breaking everything they say up into segments is not only stupid, pretentious and egotistical it is also ineffective, you're defending a franchise that by now has almost as many if not more installments than final fantasy and hasn't been going as long from being repetitive.[/quote]
As demonstrated below, your style of argument is "accept my opinion because I think I represent everyone". I mean shit, it's not even my speculation
look below:
[quote]Why not just accept that maybe modern conflicts have seen enough limelight and avoid looking retarded any more?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rebi;34655829]The COD games would be better if they took more time to make one, or at least trying to use a different engine, or revise the one they have been using in ways more noticeable than slightly more realistic rag-doll physics.[/QUOTE]
That is a geniune criticism for CoD, and one I agree with entirely.
However, Someoneuduno and his aneurysm over video games criticism that it sold .5 million copies less than Skyrim therefore it's dying and doesn't stop producing the game because the people who don't like it, spoiler alert, don't like it, is NOT a genuine criticism. It's just stupid.
[editline]12th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;34656047]they sure as hell could change the particle and blood effects, they've been the same since mw1, and some from cod2[/QUOTE]
I like them, they can spruce them up of course, but they look alright.
[editline]12th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;34656019]Do you normally get this angry about video games or....?
So the games would be better if they used a different engine? What an arbitrary and illogical notion. The engine they have has been praised by the players and by the developers. It's lightweight, easy to work with, and runs on everything.
In fact the last thing I'd change about a CoD game is the engine.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he meant completely change it, more meant to update it.
[QUOTE=Someoneuduno;34655704]Haha curl up in a ball and die you arrogant fuck. [/QUOTE]
Your arguments are now nullified by that rude and pointless comment.
[QUOTE=Notanything;34635285]A new game in the series every year.. This has to stop. What's the point of the previous titles if you're just going to announce a new one a few months after its release? It makes your investment and game feel pointless, but knowing the typical audience of Call of Duty, this concept doesn't cross their mind.[/QUOTE]
This is my biggest quarrel with Call of Duty, now. The games are ridiculous and have no true value. What's the point of buying it if it's going to be usurped in about a year? A video game shouldn't be a passing event, something you play for a bit until a new one comes out. A video game should be art, a goddamn masterpiece that you play for years on end until its next iteration comes out with an equal if not greater amount of work done on it. And, even though you and many others have moved on to this new game, you still find yourself coming back to the old one, every now and then. It could be six sequels back, but you still find it in your heart to love it.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;34656898]This is my biggest quarrel with Call of Duty, now. The games are ridiculous and have no true value. What's the point of buying it if it's going to be usurped in about a year? A video game shouldn't be a passing event, something you play for a bit until a new one comes out. A video game should be art, a goddamn masterpiece that you play for years on end until its next iteration comes out with an equal if not greater amount of work done on it. And, even though you and many others have moved on to this new game, you still find yourself coming back to the old one, every now and then. It could be six sequels back, but you still find it in your heart to love it.[/QUOTE]
I've played atleast a hundred hours of every CoD except MW3 which was when I got bored of the series. I actually have almost 360 hours in CoD4 combined PC and console versions. Just because YOU have no value in them doesn't mean other people don't. It's this fascinating thing called opinions.
By innovation, they mean loads of shit they ripped off from other games.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34657243]By innovation, they mean loads of shit they ripped off from other games.[/QUOTE]
That's not exactly a fair thing to say, mainly because there have been so many games which have all done so many things in the past. The only instance of them "ripping off" from another game is CS Gungame
[QUOTE=Strongbad;34657243]By innovation, they mean loads of shit they ripped off from other games.[/QUOTE]
That's an entirely unfair thing to say.
[editline]12th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;34656898]This is my biggest quarrel with Call of Duty, now. The games are ridiculous and have no true value. What's the point of buying it if it's going to be usurped in about a year? A video game shouldn't be a passing event, something you play for a bit until a new one comes out. A video game should be art, a goddamn masterpiece that you play for years on end until its next iteration comes out with an equal if not greater amount of work done on it. And, even though you and many others have moved on to this new game, you still find yourself coming back to the old one, every now and then. It could be six sequels back, but you still find it in your heart to love it.[/QUOTE]
People still play past CoD's, so I'm not sure what your point is.
IF Treyarch pulls this one off, I'll forgive them for COD3 and black ops. Waw was amazing cause it had vehicles and balance.
I highly doubt they will though.
[QUOTE=DwarfOverlord;34658014]Waw was amazing cause it had vehicles and [B]balance[/B].
[/QUOTE]
hehheh.
Come on, seriously, Black Ops was way more balanced than WaW.
MP40 Suppressor, Stopping Power, Camoflauge, Steady Aim.
You automatically win.
I bet they try to do a Battlefield move and involve vehicles, but the tanks being like Mario Karts and the jets being tacticool
Oh, and strawberry jelly
We need more jelly.
Actually, heres a "DLC" Idea
You get ONE tanks and ONE helicopter that are shit, and you have to buy the better ones. 20 dollars a piece.
Galil extended mag, scavenger, steady aim
At least you can be beaten with an mp40.[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;34658031]hehheh.
Come on, seriously, Black Ops was way more balanced than WaW.
MP40 Suppressor, Stopping Power, Camoflauge, Steady Aim.
You automatically win.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AlphaAGENT;34658128]
You get ONE tanks and ONE helicopter that are shit, and you have to buy the better ones. 20 dollars a piece.[/QUOTE]
Considering the F35 was (is?) bugged on release, they would definitely be taking this sales strategy from EA and their Battlefield series :v:
I'm hoping Treyarch will either go back to WW2 or the Korean war.
Hell, they might surprise everyone and make a pretty good Civil War game.
Or fuck it, while we're in Imagination Land, why not Darkest of Days 2.
I want to shoot a machine gun at Romans again.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34658185]I'm hoping Treyarch will either go back to WW2 or the Korean war.
Hell, they might surprise everyone and make a pretty good Civil War game.
Or fuck it, while we're in Imagination Land, why not Darkest of Days 2.
I want to shoot a machine gun at Romans again.[/QUOTE]Without automatic weapons no one would buy it
Wow guys
Quit thinking of such complex ways to improve COD.
It's much more simpler than what you guys say:
Here:
-Remove singleplayer
-Bring back CODBO bot multiplayer
-Bring back the COD3/WAW multiplayer experience, /w some stuff from COD4 (And that includes vehicles!)
-24 to 32 playercount
-COD3/WAW sized maps (Well, with the exception of Dome, way too small)
-Static health /w medkits
-Classes that are actual classes, ala Killzone and Team Fortess. Create-A-Class reworked to create modified versions of these classes (Like another classes' secondary ability). Medic, Assault, Sniper, Engineer, Spy
-COD3/WAW Squad system
Viola. Take the best things from COD's past that got removed or butchered in sequels (I'm looking at you, entire Modern Warfare series. You guys at IW really dropped the ball butchering Treyarch's perfectly designed multiplayer experience in COD4 and MW2.)
MW4 -Added McMillan Tac 50. *SO INNOVATIVE*
[QUOTE=Aznsniper911;34659393]MW4 -Added McMillan Tac 50. *SO INNOVATIVE*[/QUOTE]
another post like this
how innovative
[QUOTE=certified;34658300]
-Static health /w medkits[/QUOTE]
This will never happen again. It wasn't a good idea when it was first implemented and it still is not a good idea.
[QUOTE]Viola. [/QUOTE][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mvo9i.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;34659772]This will never happen again. It wasn't a good idea when it was first implemented and it still is not a good idea.
[/QUOTE]
I really like the compromise Resistance did where if you got shot and hid behind cover, the game would throw you a bone and you'd heal up, but if you took too much damage: Sorry, time to find a medkit.
Or you could do what Black did and have a static health with large medkits you can carry while small ones are scattered around.
[editline]12th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=certified;34658300]Wow guys
Quit thinking of such complex ways to improve COD.
It's much more simpler than what you guys say:
Here:
-Remove singleplayer
-Bring back CODBO bot multiplayer
-Bring back the COD3/WAW multiplayer experience, /w some stuff from COD4 (And that includes vehicles!)
-24 to 32 playercount
-COD3/WAW sized maps (Well, with the exception of Dome, way too small)
-Static health /w medkits
-Classes that are actual classes, ala Killzone and Team Fortess. Create-A-Class reworked to create modified versions of these classes (Like another classes' secondary ability). Medic, Assault, Sniper, Engineer, Spy
-COD3/WAW Squad system
Viola. Take the best things from COD's past that got removed or butchered in sequels (I'm looking at you, entire Modern Warfare series. You guys at IW really dropped the ball butchering Treyarch's perfectly designed multiplayer experience in COD4 and MW2.)[/QUOTE]
What he's saying is play Team Fortress 2.
[QUOTE=certified;34658300]Viola. Take the best things from COD's past that got removed or butchered in sequels (I'm looking at you, entire Modern Warfare series. You guys at IW really dropped the ball butchering Treyarch's perfectly designed multiplayer experience in COD4 and MW2.)[/QUOTE]
Wait, wait, hold on.
I thought changing things was a [I]good[/I] thing.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;34660189]Wait, wait, hold on.
I thought changing things was a [I]good[/I] thing.[/QUOTE]
It isn't good when it cuts great things out from it's predecessor.
COD4 got rid of a proper class system and War mode, and nerfed the playercount to 16 players from 24 and removed vehicles.
MW2 got rid of War mode again, got rid of squads and orders, got rid of vehicles, got rid of basically every single great thing from WAW.
[QUOTE=AlphaAGENT;34658128]I bet they try to do a Battlefield move and involve vehicles, but the tanks being like Mario Karts and the jets being tacticool
Oh, and strawberry jelly
We need more jelly.
Actually, heres a "DLC" Idea
You get ONE tanks and ONE helicopter that are shit, and you have to buy the better ones. 20 dollars a piece.[/QUOTE]
They could price map packs at $50 if they wanted, [I][B]someone[/B][/I] out there will still buy it. No doubt.
[QUOTE=jbthekid;34660462]They could price map packs at $50 if they wanted, [I][B]someone[/B][/I] out there will still buy it. No doubt.[/QUOTE]Elite is proof of this concept
Innovation, the new buzzword.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34658185]I'm hoping Treyarch will either go back to WW2 or the Korean war.
Hell, they might surprise everyone and make a pretty good Civil War game.
Or fuck it, while we're in Imagination Land, why not Darkest of Days 2.
I want to shoot a machine gun at Romans again.[/QUOTE]
What's funny is that when IW first made CoD 4, it was supposed to be a one hit wonder. Kotick didn't believe for shit in the idea of changing the time period of Call Of Duty (mainly because of his usual "as long as people buy it, don't change anything" policy on games and sequels), which is why almost immediately after CoD 4, treyarch released world at war.
[QUOTE=certified;34660452]It isn't good when it cuts great things out from it's predecessor.
COD4 got rid of a proper class system and War mode, and nerfed the playercount to 16 players from 24 and removed vehicles.
MW2 got rid of War mode again, got rid of squads and orders, got rid of vehicles, got rid of basically every single great thing from WAW.[/QUOTE]
Your forgetting that two different companies made those games.
CoD3, WaW, BlOps = Treyarch (decent games)
MW1, 2, and 3 = Infinity Ward (bullshit)
[editline]12th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34660520]What's funny is that when Treyarch first made CoD 4, it was supposed to be a one hit wonder. Kotick didn't believe for shit in the idea of changing the time period of Call Of Duty (mainly because of his usual "as long as people buy it, don't change anything" policy on games and sequels), which is why almost immediately after CoD 4, world at war was out.[/QUOTE]
Infinity Ward made CoD4, but Treyarch made the Wii port.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34660535]
Infinity Ward made CoD4, but Treyarch made the Wii port.[/QUOTE]
Oh sorry I'm kinda tired and mixed the two.
My point stands though, as the name isn't really important, what is important is activision's policy on the whole thing.
Also Treyarch generally made the worst games of the bunch. IW basically made the franchise (call of duty 1, 2, 4) then were forced to turn it to shit (MW2/3) while Treyarch was asked to cash in as much as possible with either shitty add-ons for earlier games, bad console ports or spin-offs that only started to be good recently (CoD 3 is shit, WaW is average, BlOps is decent).
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