Greenpeace lawsuit could endanger stem cell research
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[QUOTE=AntiNazi;32856009]This is why i hate EU and whole western Europe. Them stupid dickheads think they are still in middle ages! Let's bomb them to oblivion![/QUOTE]
Agreed, but everyone country on earth.
They cancelled stem cell research in Europe
I don't even have fucking words...
[QUOTE=AntiNazi;32856009]This is why i hate EU and whole western Europe. Them stupid dickheads think they are still in middle ages! Let's bomb them to oblivion![/QUOTE]
Yes they are so undeveloped, and when I think of a developed rich country which produces a great deal of research, I think of Serbia.
[url]http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/europe.html[/url]
oh wait, no that's absolutely stupid
Yeah sure let's halt research on something that can help us re-create organs.
Yeah sure that guy is missing a kidney but who cares.
Or that little boy is blind because he lost his eyes in a freak accident.
Who cares let's just halt something that can [b]literally save everyone and everything[/b].
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;32857042]Yeah sure let's halt research on something that can help us re-create organs.
Yeah sure that guy is missing a kidney but who cares.
Or that little boy is blind because he lost his eyes in a freak accident.
Who cares let's just halt something that can [b]literally save everyone and everything[/b].[/QUOTE]
read the article
use your brain
edit your post
[QUOTE=Contag;32857155]read the article
use your brain
edit your post[/QUOTE]
...I don't quite follow.
I feel so stupid lately, my brain just doesn't want to work. Sorry if I seem more and more as an idiot lately.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;32857204]...I don't quite follow.
I feel so stupid lately, my brain just doesn't want to work. Sorry if I seem more and more as an idiot lately.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so the EU isn't actually banning the research
the EU is making corporations unable to patent stem cell related technologies
that is, embryonic stem-cell related technologies will be allowed to be used by anyone without paying any license fees
the research can still continue (there are less limits than before), but large biotechnology companies are saying that this is a very bad thing because they can't patent it and sell it/license it exclusively for exorbitant prices, and subsequently won't invest in stem cell technology
The group quoted in the OP, the ACSH are basically a big pseudo-scientific group pretends to support consumers but in reality perverts science and just an industry lobby group. I'll get some info on them in a sec
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Oh, and the other thing is that researchers don't get paid nearly as much as they should, so the difference between working for a corporation or public sector is fairly minimal
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ACSH wrote to tobacco companies in the 80s:
[quote]"We are a voice of scientific reason in a sea of pseudo science, exaggeration and misnformation. We believe it would be to your benefit to help ACSH," he wrote. Stare explained that the "basic" ACSH corporate benefactor membership was $3,000 "but we hope you will contribute $10,000 or more"[/quote]
they defended DDT, asbestos, etc.
denied climate change
they're essentially conservatives using science to further a political agenda
Seems a lot of people here are saying that it's good that companies can no longer patent stem cell research.
IT'S NOT!!!
Without the protection of patents, it basically means that you have no protection against your research from being STOLEN by competitors. You (and big pharma sponsoring you) can do all the hard and expensive work of clinical trials to prove something is safe and effective only for some company in India or China to steal your intellectual property (technically, it can't be yours now) and sell or market whatever treatment, for a mere fraction of the price because all the testing has been done and they don't need to pay for it.
When a company is running that kind of risk, they won't invest. This is just the simple reality that companies need to try to turn a profit to keep existing. Big Pharma already has to juggle the VERY high risk of lead compounds and treatments failing to succeed but now they're expected to tackle on the chance that succeeding treatments will just be stolen?
Research may continue but you can expect that corporations won't be funding it. This means that nearly no research is going to be done.
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This is not the same as patenting genes. If you patent an invention, you don't patent the metal used to make it.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32851994]Sounds like either way, the public loses and corporations win.
But in the mean time, let's not feed into their fearmongering and instead call them out on their bullshit. They're the ones at fault here, not Greenpeace.[/QUOTE]
No, this means that corporations don't make money from this and the public misses out on potential treatments. It's a lose-lose scenario here.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32852127]I don't know, I doubt denying companies patents for this would be as bad as they claim.
It might actually force them to research and develop cures even quicker since they won't be able to stonewall other companies with patents and have to actively race against them to produce results.[/QUOTE]
Companies already race against the clock with possible treatments because patents last for about 20 years and the drug development process takes the majority of that. Once that patent is up, some generic company in India or China can sell the same thing for a fraction of the cost so that the company that first patented and sold the drug can expect to stop making money from that drug.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32852219]They can make money without a patent
All a patent would allow them to do is deny other companies the right to research the same thing without paying up[/QUOTE]
As I mentioned before, because of generic companies, without a patent companies have a much higher risk of not turning a profit even with a blockbuster drug. So high that they might not take the risk in the first place.
wow what bastards, stealing intellectual property to save lies
how dare they
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[quote]you can expect that corporations won't be funding it. This means that nearly no research is going to be done.[/quote]
What the fuck?
what world do you live in which governments and not-for-profits don't fund medical research
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it's okay I'll just go and tell my university' microbiology and immunology department that they don't get funded by the NHMRC anymore
hey professor kent
you know that breakthrough with an AIDS vaccine you discovered a few months ago?
yeah sorry that doesn't exist, better go learn a trade and become a sparkie
[QUOTE=AntiNazi;32856009]This is why i hate EU and whole western Europe. Them stupid dickheads think they are still in middle ages! Let's bomb them to oblivion![/QUOTE]
Shush, or you'll be the one that's getting bombed.
Why do I feel like a lot of people didn't read the OP, everyone is acting like Greenpeace is trying to stop research but its really just about patents, its not that bad.
I don't agree with genetic engineering.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;32857986]I don't agree with genetic engineering.[/QUOTE]
why not
[QUOTE=Contag;32857759]wow what bastards, stealing intellectual property to save lies
how dare they
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What the fuck?
what world do you live in which governments and not-for-profits don't fund medical research
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it's okay I'll just go and tell my university' microbiology and immunology department that they don't get funded by the NHMRC anymore
hey professor kent
you know that breakthrough with an AIDS vaccine you discovered a few months ago?
yeah sorry that doesn't exist, better go learn a trade and become a sparkie[/QUOTE]
The real world where what the government and charities puts in pales in comparison to what corporations put in. The Australian government is already talking about cutting research funding and with world economies looking the way they do, further cuts seem almost inevitable.
Companies aren't going to start research if another company can just steal it from them when they're done.
hey scientists
you don't live in the real world
please do
thanks guys
figures please
also are you aware corporations are also affected, moreso than governments?
[QUOTE=Contag;32870483]hey scientists
you don't live in the real world
please do
thanks guys
figures please
also are you aware corporations are also affected, moreso than governments?[/QUOTE]
Yep, which is why we don't need another incentive for the corporations to stop funding stuff.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;32849844]Morality never helped humanity.[/QUOTE]Because the one thing that's been keeping mankind back is the fact that we're not all self-serving psychopaths.
So, if they patent life, basically means we're infringing copyright to live. Not cool.
They're not patenting life. Only stem cell technologies like, I don't know, a new proceedure that uses skin stem cells to cure diabetes.
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