[QUOTE=Paramud;23682071]Science is a broad term covering all of the methods that one can use to attain knowledge and all of the specific areas of knowledge that one can research, while theoretical science is a specific area.
If you want to call them "real" sciences, then the most important ones that come to mind would be biological, astronomical, physical, et cetera et cetera.
Stop implying words into my mouth. I never called theoretical a fake science or said in any way that it was less important than any other scientific field.[/QUOTE]
ahahahaha oh man. oh god
[QUOTE=Paramud;23682071]Science is a broad term covering all of the methods that one can use to attain knowledge and all of the specific areas of knowledge that one can research, while theoretical science is a specific area.
If you want to call them "real" sciences, then the most important ones that come to mind would be biological, astronomical, physical, et cetera et cetera.
Stop implying words into my mouth. I never called theoretical a fake science or said in any way that it was less important than any other scientific field.[/QUOTE]
...There's only one method of gathering data and information in the scientific world, and it's called the scientific method.
It's applied to all hard sciences i.e physics, chemistry, biology, nanosciences (oh look a theoretical science) genetics (also theoretical) etc. etc.
I could go on but I really lack the will.
Anyone wanna start up a secret science facility in Neveda?:smug:
I know it'll have Mesa in the name.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23687321]...There's only one method of gathering data and information in the scientific world, and it's called the scientific method.[/QUOTE]
The only type of milk is cow milk.
The scientific method is the [b]standard[/b] for furthering knowledge.
[QUOTE=Paramud;23687835]The only type of milk is cow milk.
The scientific method is the [b]standard[/b] for furthering knowledge.[/QUOTE]
No, it's very much the only reliable method to humans for furthering our collective knowledge.
If you have another reliable method please do share.
Reliable or not, it is not the only method.
I'm sorry, but I have to ask, do you have a time machine in your basement? And if so, have you killed your grandfather and tested this theory?
If it isn't reliable then why the fuck use it.
I dunno why I'm discussing this with you, you've already demonstrated how much you can derp.
You are such a master debater. You could surely convince the sun not to rise.
Science is based on reliable results, so why use a method that would result in unreliable data?
You're a fucking idiot and you've shown that countless times.
Oh god, I just read the whole thread, so can we all agree that Paramud is a dumbass and shut the hell up about it?
[QUOTE=Socram;23623707]Quantum physics are dumb.
Whoops, can't explain it! Must be another dimension![/QUOTE]
Guys can we please try to not say anything at all in the future if we don't have a clue what we're talking about? That'd be a big help.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23688267]Science is based on reliable results, so why use a method that would result in unreliable data?
You're a fucking idiot and you've shown that countless times.[/QUOTE]
I especially like how you talk about reliable results when we're in a thread about time machines and killing our own grandfathers.
jeebus fuck, my brain. i shouldn't read threads like this at midnight.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;23655918]Probability drive GO![/QUOTE]
that's pretty much what i got from the OP.
Been thinking of drawing a chart of alternate realities, something and time travel. Up >30 (>36?) hours, can't think clearly anymore.
Time is nothing but an illusion created by Humans due to them having the ability to remember and having the ability to predict, while in reality the only thing that exists is the present.
The only way to achieve time travel would be to somehow reverse or accelerate atomic patterns, while somehow staying independent from that process. With the technology of today, it is not possible to predict the pattern of every single atomic particle, let alone reverse it/accelerate it.
Time travel experiments will most likely be virtual at first, and on a very small scale, basically in which a small "chunk" of reality will have every single one of it's atomic particles examined, and then have a certain algorithm used to observe what would happen to that chunk at a highly accelerated rate, or what that chunk was like earlier by using a virtual visualization.
Genuine time travel would indeed require a certain incredibly powerful force, such as a black hole. And in all honesty the whole concept gets very foggy from that point (not that I would call it perfectly transparent now either.)
[QUOTE=imadaman;23699963]Been thinking of drawing a chart of alternate realities, something and time travel.[/QUOTE]
You realize we don't have [b]ANYTHING[/b] close to time travel right now, right?
And that we probably [b]NEVER[/b] will?
And that, even if we did somehow discover a way through time, it won't be a viable option [b]ANYWHERE[/b] even remotely close to the near future, right?
And that, again, if we ever did discover time travel, it wouldn't be available for commercial use.
[QUOTE=imadaman;23625482]long explanation/thing without a reason:
Your best friend pissed you off so much, that you are pointing a gun at his face and thinking of killing him, and you have a choice. Shoot him or not. This is where the realities branch off, in one, you shoot him, and in another, you don't. What ever you do, both happen.
Let's say you spared him. He years later pisses you off so much, that you for some reason decide to go back in time, and shoot him. You take a stance, and ready your sniper and start having thoughts of not shooting him. Here it branches off again, you shoot him, and that creates an entirely different branch where he is dead and the "back then" you wove to avenge him, or you don't do anything, and the normal branches happen. Whatever you do, again, both happen.
Why the fuck did I just write that?[/QUOTE]
and this is why more and more scientists are beginning to question the basics of modern quantum physics.
[QUOTE=Rayce;23701637]Its all just a bunch of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.[/QUOTE]
good thing I brought my timey wimey detector, it goes ding when there's stuff.
:psyboom:
WHY DID ALICE AND BOB DISAPEAR!?!
[QUOTE=Paramud;23699670]I especially like how you talk about reliable results when we're in a thread about time machines and killing our own grandfathers.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://myiq2xu.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/strawman.jpg[/img]
Look kids it's a straw man!!!
This argument changed course, it's no longer about the original, you started saying there were other reliable methods of gathering information apart from the scientific method, I asked you for some then you reply with that.
That shit, doesn't fly.
Give me a list of methods that can provide accurate and reliable data, where the process can be repeated and provide the same results every time except for in extreme conditions.
Go and do it.
And btw we can get time travel, the closer you get to light speed the more time dilates, time slows to a crawl for whoever is moving at near c :v:
If we managed to find particles with negative energy then we could travel backwards in time as well with the aid of an Alcubierre drive or worm holes.
Unlikely but never write off technology of the future, that's what General Haig did with the machine gun in the First World War, and that gun massacred millions.
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[QUOTE=Rayce;23701637]Its all just a bunch of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.[/QUOTE]
Doctor Who!! :v:
[QUOTE=Fenriswolf;23624149]I'm not so sure I believe this yet. I think I believe the Back to the Future explanation more.[/QUOTE]
tl;dr using Back to the Future.
The original timeline (A) was changed because Biff went back in time, stole an almanac, and then made millions. The future was different. It became the second timeline (B).
A could have become billions of different timelines, but it because B because it was the only timeline that existed. If you tried to compute it with quantum mechanics, you could say that waves of probability determining which timeline became "active" could be collapsed simply by observing (observing being the postselection the article talked about).
Basically, by having x number of variables, you can find the answer by postselecting based on the condition that the result must be true. A became B because it was the only timeline that could have worked, because it was the only timeline that logically followed.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23703080][img]http://myiq2xu.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/strawman.jpg[/img]
Look kids it's a straw man!!!
This argument changed course, it's no longer about the original, you started saying there were other reliable methods of gathering information apart from the scientific method, I asked you for some then you reply with that.
That shit, doesn't fly.[/quote]
Does your time machine fly?
[quote]Give me a list of methods that can herpdy derpdy doo[/quote]
Give me one viable application that can be used within the century for this discovery, and I'll strip myself of all my skin, and crawl through a mile long trench filled with lemon juice and mayonnaise while writing down every work of Shakespeare.
Spoiler alert: There is no viable use for this and there probably never will be.
Near instant/Ultra high speed communication over long distances using quantum entanglement.
I'll go get the potato peeler for you son.
Also lovely more straw men.
Answer the fucking question.
How man other reputable methods are there for gathering information that can be repeatedly tested an give the same results with a high degree of accuracy?
Tick tock tick tock.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23703970]How man other reputable methods are there for gathering information that can be dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs dongs do[/QUOTE]
I am Paramud from the future. I stole your flying time machine to tell you that I can not answer the question for you because if I do it will kill the Earth and allow communism to spread throughout the universe.
It's funny that they've managed to solve a problem the human race has not yet even encountered.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;23704036]It's funny that they've managed to solve a problem the human race has not yet even encountered.[/QUOTE]
A problem from a device that we don't know how to make while we don't actually know if it works the way we think, or if it'd work at all.
[QUOTE=Paramud;23704000]I am Paramud from the future. I stole your flying time machine to tell you that I can not answer the question for you because if I do it will kill the Earth and allow communism to spread throughout the universe.[/QUOTE]
Well that's fine because according to this article the earth is bound to die anyway and communism will spread through the universe :v:
Now answer the fucking question :colbert:
And actually we do have vague ideas on how to construct these machines, there was a guy who had the basic idea for a machine that could send particles back from the future to the point when the machine was turned on, a human made "save point" for humanity if you will, wait and i'll try and find the article.
Bah, can't find it but it was posted here on facepunch a little while back.
:munch:
[QUOTE=bravehat;23704178]And actually we do have vague ideas on how to construct these machines, there was a guy who had the basic idea for a machine that could send particles back from the future to the point when the machine was turned on, a human made "save point" for humanity if you will, wait and i'll try and find the article.
Bah, can't find it but it was posted here on facepunch a little while back.[/QUOTE]
Sure it was. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Llivavin;23625175]And you would know how?[/QUOTE]
He's from the future !
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