[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48288150]That's really odd. I've heard that most of it comes from the Balkans, but even then, I doubt there's much of a market for them as opposed to something like Mexico.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt that, they're small and easily concealed and it's likely that there's plenty of grenade attacks that never make the news.
If Swebonny's price is accurate then I'd imagine that there's a large supply of them because last time I checked M61's on the black market here cost about $250 USD and that's if you can actually find a seller.
Sweden is such a tragic country, sad to watch it go.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48287412]you can do the same in the US with black people and then go "black people are criminals"
you still sound like a racist dolt
europeans on FP consistently make my blood boil whenever race comes up because they talk down on America for racism against black people or hispanics hopping borders and then they go say "gypsies are all scum" and "multiculturalism failed completely we need to get rid of all the brown skinned mozzies" and i just don't know what to say to that sort of ignorance[/QUOTE]
Europeans have always been extremely racist (generally speaking, don't do that "but not all Europeans are racist" thing because you know what the fuck I mean)
You kind of have to be to decide that you are superior to the rest of the world and it therefore should be ruled by you.
Also funny when they talk about conflict in the Middle East even though Europeans started the shit (first with the Crusades, then with colonialism)
And I would like to add that all the unfounded "hurr durr ur cops shoot black ppl u racists" is just plain untrue most of the time. The reason it makes headlines here is because how rare and how abhorrent it is. America is by far the most diverse and racially tolerant country in the world, and for all are faults we at least do that right.
Is- is this actually a recurring problem in Sweden?
I mean, good lord. I know that most of the world imagines people in my country going down to Wal-Mart to purchase their weekly assault rifle, but even I'm drawing a blank on instances of civilians with hand grenades. Are there also land mines or flamethrowers circulating the black market over there?
[QUOTE=Pennywise;48289048]Is- is this actually a recurring problem in Sweden?
I mean, good lord. I know that most of the world imagines people in my country going down to Wal-Mart to purchase their weekly assault rifle, but even I'm drawing a blank on instances of civilians with hand grenades. Are there also land mines or flamethrowers circulating the black market over there?[/QUOTE]
flamethrowers are actually fairly legal in the US, they're usually some handheld ones for controlled or general use burning
[QUOTE=Jame's;48288652]Sweden is such a tragic country, sad to watch it go.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i often reflect on it between my 20 go ferment mandated Islamic prayers each day
Malmo sounds worse than Detroit in crime.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48287607]This is why rotherham incident where over 1000 children were raped exists, because people were too scared to link race\religion as a factor. People who ignore such things are ignorant and racists themselves for making race a factor for not considering it.[/QUOTE]As pointed out before, the fear of being seen as racist was basically a non-issue in the Rotherham case. If you actually read the report, the fear of being seen as racist is mentioned [I]once[/I] (in the context of it being used as an excuse by shit social workers) in a document that goes on for pages and pages about incompetent management, budget cuts, insufficient training and so on.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48289151]flamethrowers are actually fairly legal in the US, they're usually some handheld ones for controlled or general use burning[/QUOTE]I'd love to have one of those for getting rid of snow, but i'd probably accidentally set something on fire in the process.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48288786]Europeans have always been extremely racist (generally speaking, don't do that "but not all Europeans are racist" thing because you know what the fuck I mean)
You kind of have to be to decide that you are superior to the rest of the world and it therefore should be ruled by you.
Also funny when they talk about conflict in the Middle East even though Europeans started the shit (first with the Crusades, then with colonialism)
And I would like to add that all the unfounded "hurr durr ur cops shoot black ppl u racists" is just plain untrue most of the time. The reason it makes headlines here is because how rare and how abhorrent it is. America is by far the most diverse and racially tolerant country in the world, and for all are faults we at least do that right.[/QUOTE]
What's with the unfounded hateboner for europeans
[QUOTE=DeEz;48289913]What's with the unfounded hateboner for europeans[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure he's serious, it reads like a youtube comment
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48287501]It's not that there's prejudice against arabs or jews or whatever, the problem is that as Swilly said, the current immigration stream to some countries is far greater than what they can handle. If you lack the resources to integrate all immigrants into society, it will cause issues. These issues will only get more serious as the immigration amount increases.
Besides, a lot of muslims come from war regions where morals are radically different than that of Europe or US. To claim that it is prejudice to say that a lot of muslims are less than friendly is ignorant in and of itself. Yes, a lot of them are peaceful, but we can't ignore the side that is less than peaceful with nonmuslims and pretend that it's nothing but prejudice. You can't solve this issue if you believe that all immigrating muslims are saints.[/QUOTE]
except it wasn't " less than friendly" it was "yo muslims and arabs did this" without any sign or indication
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Superwafflez;48287554]If you don't facilitate integration of foreign born citizens into your society you can expect it to change.
Likewise, if you don't facilitate engagement for your youth population there will be issues down the line.[/QUOTE]
THIS is the problem.
Sweden actually cuts back on funding for social projects.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Arrows;48287671]Exactly this, the scale of immigration to Europe is what's causing the problems, regardless of race or ethnicity, if you have too many come in, they won't integrate, but segregate and form their own communities. The point of immigration is for that person to give up their former culture\background and join the new society instead of making the new society change.
Which is exactly what has been happening right across Europe, large enclaves\ghettos of one ethnic\religious group banding together. With muslims being the largest minority group in many of these countries as a religious demographic. The fact that many muslims that are coming to europe are those from Sharia countries and want Sharia to be part of their new country should raise a red flag to anyone, if you research into Sharia law you will learn that to a muslim it overules democracy as it's gods law. Any entity which opposes democracy and freedom of speech is a threat to society.[/QUOTE]
What scale? It's a few hundred thousand, the EU has 500 Million inhabitants and is one of the richest plces on Earth.
It's not a problem of scale or ressources, it's a problem of willingness.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48289672]Malmo sounds worse than Detroit in crime.[/QUOTE]
lol nowhere close
You guys are seriously blowing this up, making Malmö sound like you'll be robbed, stabbed and shot as soon as you step off the train.
Also, what the hell does this have to do with immigrants/multiculturalism.
It's like saying that people from X country are inheretly bad/criminals, therefore letting people immigrant from those countries will raise crimerates!
[QUOTE=DeEz;48289913]What's with the unfounded hateboner for europeans[/QUOTE]
The constant shit we get from Europeans who think they're better than us and constantly remind any American within earshot that we're all fat, belligerent retards.
It gets old.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48287412]you can do the same in the US with black people and then go "black people are criminals"
you still sound like a racist dolt
europeans on FP consistently make my blood boil whenever race comes up because they talk down on America for racism against black people or hispanics hopping borders and then they go say "gypsies are all scum" and "multiculturalism failed completely we need to get rid of all the brown skinned mozzies" and i just don't know what to say to that sort of ignorance[/QUOTE]
But its true though. It's a problem over here as well. Jews and Muslims are doing petty squabbling over here as well. It's pointless of you to call everyone out as racist when you don't even know how the situation is. It comes across as ignorant. We aren't allowed to comment on anything anymore if i even use the word arab, jew or muslim people are throwing a fit and branding you as a racist or just ignorant, you guys keep saying that "BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE BAD DOESNT MEAN EVERYONE IS" but that's not the point. It doesn't remove that it's a problem that there are petty squabbling between the different societies that has come to scandinavia from the middle east.
You don't get any points by trying to act all righteous, at the end of the day nobody cares and the problem still exist.
And you speaking out of your ass doesn't help at all tbh.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48288786]Europeans have always been extremely racist (generally speaking, don't do that "but not all Europeans are racist" thing because you know what the fuck I mean)
You kind of have to be to decide that you are superior to the rest of the world and it therefore should be ruled by you.
Also funny when they talk about conflict in the Middle East even though Europeans started the shit (first with the Crusades, then with colonialism)
And I would like to add that all the unfounded "hurr durr ur cops shoot black ppl u racists" is just plain untrue most of the time. The reason it makes headlines here is because how rare and how abhorrent it is. America is by far the most diverse and racially tolerant country in the world, and for all are faults we at least do that right.[/QUOTE]
Also this guy. What the hell is he even talking about.
Yeah fuck us europeans for being tired of pointless violence rite :vs:
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48288786]Also funny when they talk about conflict in the Middle East even though Europeans started the shit (first with the Crusades, then with colonialism)
[/QUOTE]
I think it's pretty much accepted that the first true incursions between continental European Christians and Muslims were started in the 700s when the Umayyads chose to invade Iberia. Although you have a point though, a lot of the conflict today is the result of the way the British and French broke up the Ottoman Empire after WW1.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
Also what does this actually have to do with islamic immigrants, as far as we know from the article it's a "criminal group" and that the grenades are from the Balkans?
[QUOTE=Sokrates;48290115]lol nowhere close
You guys are seriously blowing this up, making Malmö sound like you'll be robbed, stabbed and shot as soon as you step off the train.
Also, what the hell does this have to do with immigrants/multiculturalism.
It's like saying that people from X country are inheretly bad/criminals, therefore letting people immigrant from those countries will raise crimerates![/QUOTE]
Thank you.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Black;48290238]I think it's pretty much accepted that the first true incursions between continental European Christians and Muslims were started in the 700s when the Umayyads chose to invade Iberia. Although you have a point though, a lot of the conflict today is the result of the way the British and French broke up the Ottoman Empire after WW1.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
Also what does this actually have to do with islamic immigrants, as far as we know from the article it's a "criminal group" and that the grenades are from the Balkans?[/QUOTE]
Nothing. It's racist and antisemitic conclusion jumping
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48290206]But its true though. It's a problem over here as well. Jews and Muslims are doing petty squabbling over here as well. It's pointless of you to call everyone out as racist when you don't even know how the situation is. It comes across as ignorant. We aren't allowed to comment on anything anymore if i even use the word arab, jew or muslim people are throwing a fit and branding you as a racist or just ignorant, you guys keep saying that "BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE BAD DOESNT MEAN EVERYONE IS" but that's not the point. It doesn't remove that it's a problem that there are petty squabbling between the different societies that has come to scandinavia from the middle east.
You don't get any points by trying to act all righteous, at the end of the day nobody cares and the problem still exist.
And you speaking out of your ass doesn't help at all tbh.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
Also this guy. What the hell is he even talking about.
Yeah fuck us europeans for being tired of pointless violence rite :vs:[/QUOTE]
The racist part is the instantly attributing it to "jews and muslims".
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
The racist part is also not acknowledging that the western countries are the ones who fucked up the places in the first place.
(Iran, Iraq, The whole Israel area)
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48290142]The constant shit we get from Europeans who think they're better than us and constantly remind any American within earshot that we're all fat, belligerent retards.
It gets old.[/QUOTE]
You're delusional.
[QUOTE=Del91;48287224]How the fuck are they getting a hold of grenades?[/QUOTE]
All though the Balkans are considered a main source at the moment, most weapons are being funneled in through the ex-Soviet bloc at the moment, and with the ongoing wars in the Middle East and Ukraine, well, needless to say it's a gunrunners wet dream.
Europe has ridiculously easy borders to get across, and because of this, people should expect nothing short of someone loading up a moving van with twenty or so guns, and enough ammo to feed a militia. Grenades on their own probably could be shipped in oatmeal containers, and that has been a tactic used by the Mexican Cartels, as well as the Russian families for the last twenty or so odd years.
The only reason we are starting to see an increase in this now, is because the ongoing wars in nearby regions are leading to refugee crisis which is feeding organized crime with new people.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48290268]Thank you.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
Nothing. It's racist and antisemitic conclusion jumping
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
The racist part is the instantly attributing it to "jews and muslims".
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
The racist part is also not acknowledging that the western countries are the ones who fucked up the places in the first place.
(Iran, Iraq, The whole Israel area)[/QUOTE]
Historical relevance and sociopolitical factors are too much to consider for the sort of people who blame blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and Arabs for all the world's problems. Racism and ethnocentricity aren't bothered by explanations for social turmoil and crime rates that don't inherently blame it on race or ethnicity. It's shocking how many people here in America still refuse to acknowledge the links between Slavery, the Civil Rights era, White Flight, and modern institutionalized racism to modern black ghettos and skewed criminal statistics.
I'm not directing this at anybody in particular. It's just a general comment.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48289947]
THIS is the problem.
Sweden actually cuts back on funding for social projects.
[/QUOTE]
Sweden does not have the amount of funding, resources, or otherwise required for the immigrants it's taking on. It needs to drastically cut down the amount of immigrants it takes, and forcefully push cultural assimilation in order to prevent the rise of nationalist groups.
Social projects also do not fix everything. Some people refuse to assimilate, how do you deal with this?
Like are we talking real frag grenades, or some homemade explosives?
[QUOTE=booster;48290393]Like are we talking real frag grenades, or some homemade explosives?[/QUOTE]
Real frags.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48287722]That ignoring ethnicity\religion is very dangerous, this has been proven many times, i used Rotherham as it's a prime example where police\social workers ignored the fact that there were organised pakistani muslim rape gangs as they were scared of being branded a racist.
If you are not aware of this incident, please google it, here's a wikipedia article on this, although i would recommend googling to see the news articles as they are in greater depth, especially regarding the scandels involved with the police, social workers and MPs in power:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal[/url][/QUOTE]
I really wish people would stop using this as an example. I'm just gonna quote what Raidyr said on it:
[QUOTE=Raidyr;45810276]If you actually read the [URL="http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham"]report [/URL](and you should, it's incredibly well done) you realize why established yet wholly unrelated names in journalism decided to use roughly the same title while Daily Mail, the tabloid rag that FP (and most reasonable people) categorically reject uses another. Because it's sensationalist bullshit. While some senior officials wanted to downplay the ethnic aspects of it, this is one tiny part of the report. A few lines out of over a hundred pages. Far more pressing concerns was the general beaucratic disconnect that child services in that area had with the community. We rant about political correctness in this thread when the report itself says that people who were responsible for protecting these children were outright disdainful of them. Some officials thought the stats were inflated. Others outright tried to clamp down on the reports in a classic case of trying to sweep it under the rug. There were so many more problems key to the fundamental failure of CPS in this case than a few staffers who didn't want to be called racist if you actually [I]read the report. [/I][/QUOTE]
It's funny because this gross misconception on the case has almost certainly harmed attempts at fixing Child Protective Services in the area, smoothly facilitating the council's attempts at a coverup and actually making it more likely that it could happen again. But no, I'm sure if every CPS member assigned to the kids had wretched at the mere mention of a Pakistani everything would have turned out [I]completely fine[/I].
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48290385]Sweden does not have the amount of funding, resources, or otherwise required for the immigrants it's taking on. It needs to drastically cut down the amount of immigrants it takes, and forcefully push cultural assimilation in order to prevent the rise of nationalist groups.
Social projects also do not fix everything. Some people refuse to assimilate, how do you deal with this?[/QUOTE]
how about melting and developing instead of assimilation
[QUOTE=Sokrates;48290115]lol nowhere close
You guys are seriously blowing this up, making Malmö sound like you'll be robbed, stabbed and shot as soon as you step off the train.
Also, what the hell does this have to do with immigrants/multiculturalism.
It's like saying that people from X country are inheretly bad/criminals, therefore letting people immigrant from those countries will raise crimerates![/QUOTE]
Yeah, I extremely dislike when Sweden is judged by just a handful of of extraordinary events.
Newflash, [B]crime in Malmö has dropped for 5 years straight[/B]:
[url]http://malmo.se/Huvudnyheter/2015-02-04-Rekordlaga-nivaer-pa-anmalda-brott-i-Malmo-2014.html[/url]
Tbh. it's more judged by the racist pricks that show up in Sweden related threads
[QUOTE=Killuah;48290556]Tbh. it's more judged by the racist pricks that show up in Sweden related threads[/QUOTE]
How delusional can you be? There is a reason the Swedish Democrats party are estimated to recieve 23.3% of the Swedish population's votes if there were to be a vote today, making it the second largest party in our democracy. The Swedish Democrats are the only ones who has the balls to speak up that our careless immigration is in fact a problem. Their estimated votes has increased from 12.9% to 23.3% in 10 months, imagine in another 3 years - they'll just keep getting bigger and bigger.
And here you are, bashing people who say "arabs" and "jews" as racist scum, when in reality a jewish person is a jew, an arabic person is an arab and a swedish person is a swede.
The best part is that you don't even know how bad it actually is over here. There are no apartments available to rent unless you've got 2 million swedish crowns ($232,000 USD) in your pocket to buy one. You can be in a waiting list for 5 years, only to find out the 22 sqare meters apartment available is in a ghetto with cars burning (happened to my friend last week, and earlier this month someone broke into his car) and windows are smashed.
The political correctness over here is absurd as well. After the election there was a swedish Facebook "thing" called "If you voted for the Swedish Democrats, unfriend me you racist" - not a big deal but when you think about it is a prime example of the political correctness this country is suffering from. No matter for what reason a person voted for the Swedish Democrats, he/she is a racist, nazi scum according to the swedish society - and I think that's really, [I]really[/I] bad.
Personally, I love that we are accepting migration of people in need of help, but it has to be on our terms that they legitimately do their best to integrate with our society. Right now, most wind up in the ghettos where segregation and criminality is at its peak and end up living off of government allowances since they get more paid for doing nothing rather than having an actual job - and me as a tax payer are paying for that.
We also need to drastically cut down on immigration and start prioritizing, maybe try helping people where they currently live while we still accept a balanced amount of immigration.
It is racist to assume that terrible crimes are done by "arabs and jews" when there is no indication of it.
An "Arab" is by definition anyone from the Arabic culture and that includes the geographic Arabic nations as well as North Africa and the very southern parts of Spain.
A jewish person can also be a Swede or anyone else for that matter.
You don't even acknowledge or mention that so yeah, you are looking pretty biased to me.
It has nothing to do with political correctness.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[quote]end up living off of government allowances since they get more paid for doing nothing rather than having an actual job - and me as a tax payer are paying for that.[/quote]
It's this populist bullshit lies that make you look biased and deluded.
I don't know how often I have to write this in this forum.
IMMIGRANTS BRING MORE TAXES IN THAN THEY COST
[url]http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/high-school/top-10-myths-about-immigration[/url]
And even if that doesn't somehow convince you how about
[url]http://www.thelocal.se/20130823/49812[/url]
[QUOTE=Killuah;48290776]It is racist to assume that terrible crimes are done by "arabs and jews" when there is no indication of it.
An "Arab" is by definition anyone from the Arabic culture and that includes the geographic Arabic nations as well as North Africa and the very southern parts of Spain.
A jewish person can also be a Swede or anyone else for that matter.
You don't even acknowledge or mention that so yeah, you are looking pretty biased to me.
It has nothing to do with political correctness.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
Furthermore and I don't know how often I have to write this
IMMIGRANTS BRING MORE TAXES IN THAN THEY COST
[url]http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/high-school/top-10-myths-about-immigration[/url][/QUOTE]
I look biased to you? Right, two of my best friends are immigrants, one of which came here a year ago. One from Albania and one from Turkey and I love them to death - so please, go ahead and label me as a racist, nazi scum for acknowledging that the current immigration to Sweden is a problem.
And you are mistaken if you think I label every immigrant as a criminal. I am neutral until proven otherwise, but the current system treat immigrant criminals like saints. Rapists getting away with 90 hours of community service while instead they should be deported. Murderers are placed in a expensive private "murderer"-prison that's like a fucking hotel instead of being deported. If you seriously come from a life of death and horror, and decide to bring that shit here and start killing our citizens, I truly believe that person has no right to stay here whatsoever. If you think so, something's very wrong.
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Oh btw, great thing you bring up an american immigration study that has absolutely zero relation to the current Swedish immigration statistics.
[QUOTE=Svenskunganka;48290833]I look biased to you? Right, two of my best friends are immigrants, one of which came here a year ago. One from Albania and one from Turkey and I love them to death - so please, go ahead and label me as a racist, nazi scum for acknowledging that the current immigration to Sweden is a problem.
[/quote]
You're saying the equivalent to
"I'm not racist I have black friends"
[quote]
And you are mistaken if you think I label every immigrant as a criminal. [/QUOTE]
I am not.
[quote]I am neutral until proven otherwise,[/quote]
Ok.
[quote] but the current system treat immigrant criminals like saints.Rapists getting away with 90 hours of community service while instead they should be deported. Murderers are placed in a expensive private "murderer"-prison that's like a fucking hotel instead of being deported. If you seriously come from a life of death and horror, and decide to bring that shit here and start killing our citizens, I truly believe that person has no right to stay here whatsoever. If you think so, something's very wrong.
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