[QUOTE=Killuah;48290838]You're saying the equivalent to
"I'm not racist I have black friends"[/QUOTE]
Please enlighten me how I can be a racist while having very close friends that are not of my skin color? Doesn't that go against every single rule of being a racist in the first place?
No it really doesn't.
Anyone can make exceptions, even in their own racial bias.
I don't expect extreme right wing supporters to value the integrity of their racial bias very highly since very often they fail to acknowledge said bias in the first place. as demonstrated
[QUOTE=Killuah;48290860]No it really doesn't.
Anyone can make exceptions, even in their own racial bias.
I don't expect extreme right wing supporters to value the integrity of their racial bias very highly since very often they fail to acknowledge said bias in the first place. as demonstrated[/QUOTE]
Do you even comprehend what you are writing here? You've literally sat around this thread since the start with a bunch of "RACIST!!" post-it notes sticking it on everyone that has acknowledged a problem in the Swedish immigration system. You can't argue with the statistics mate, 23.3% of the Swedish population has acknowledged that it's a problem. Do you have enough post-it notes to cover 2 million people? I bet not.
No I've been saying that the people who instantly jump the conclusion that the crimes in the OP are due to "arabs and jews" is racist.
Because it is.
I know that there are problems with the immigration system, same here, people are not willing to care enough or spend money, hell in Germany people are already burning down refugee homes in the last few weeks. Of course there is a problem.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48290860]No it really doesn't.
Anyone can make exceptions, even in their own racial bias.
I don't expect extreme right wing supporters to value the integrity of their racial bias very highly since very often they fail to acknowledge said bias in the first place. as demonstrated[/QUOTE]
You are the problem with culture today. You are the reason people are afraid of addressing problems and mentioning problems that exist today.
All you do is sitting on your high horse and act righteous. You know absolutely nothing about how things are over here and how it is a problem. It's extremely arrogant, we can't even talk about issues anymore because of people like you screaming "RACIST, BIGOT YOU IGNORANT FUCK" at anyone as much as trying to talk about it.
But you can, just don't instantly assume that a crime like in the OP is done by "arabs and jews"?
[QUOTE=Killuah;48290556]Tbh. it's more judged by the racist pricks that show up in Sweden related threads[/QUOTE]
Look at this post.
This is amusing. That's all you do you single people out and don't let them speak without being branded.
Also I didn't directly call anyone an ignorant fuck there is just a slew of threads about crimes in Sweden were suddenly Swedish users barge in and instantly assume that some immigrant did it.
Rember the "Rape on a ferry" thread?
But whoever fits the shoe will wear it I guess.
[QUOTE=Svenskunganka;48290899]Do you even comprehend what you are writing here? You've literally sat around this thread since the start with a bunch of "RACIST!!" post-it notes sticking it on everyone that has acknowledged a problem in the Swedish immigration system. You can't argue with the statistics mate, 23.3% of the Swedish population has acknowledged that it's a problem. Do you have enough post-it notes to cover 2 million people? I bet not.[/QUOTE]
Oh no! 22.3% of a population have said "fuck the brown people coming here". Whatever will we do!
Oh wait. We'll ignore that because it's not remotely scientific to assume that any polling of a generally uneducated population is a good indicator that there is actually a problem. Of the population polled how many were actually totally knowledgable about the immigration and immigration systems of Sweden?
Had we listened to this kind of shit over in the UK, we'd have needed to kick out so many different groups that, over time (usually a generation or two) have started assimilating perfectly fine. Portugese, Polish, Latvian, various Asian groups. They usually start to assimilate quite well give time no matter the number of them coming in. For a while there is culture shock and they don't get on too well, but that is quite temporary.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48290970]But you can, just don't instantly assume that a crime like in the OP is done by "arabs and jews"?[/QUOTE]
It's just as racist if i assume it's some white gangs that did this.
In a city where the populations is a high percentage of immigrants and known conflict between the Arabs and the Jews it's logical to think at first eyesight it's something related to something racial between those two groups, if you don't then you're just extremely naive "ah those gosh darn white people again :)"
If it happened in let's say in a city with a high percentage of asians where for example there are two gangs having a rivalry, you hear of an attack. Would it not be logical to assume it's asian gangs that did this, no?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48290979]Oh no! 22.3% of a population have said "fuck the brown people coming here". Whatever will we do!
Oh wait. We'll ignore that because it's not remotely scientific to assume that any polling of a generally uneducated population is a good indicator that there is actually a problem. Of the population polled how many were actually totally knowledgable about the immigration and immigration systems of Sweden?
Had we listened to this kind of shit over in the UK, we'd have needed to kick out so many different groups that, over time (usually a generation or two) have started assimilating perfectly fine. Portugese, Polish, Latvian, various Asian groups. They usually start to assimilate quite well give time no matter the number of them coming in. For a while there is culture shock and they don't get on too well, but that is quite temporary.[/QUOTE]
I was about to say this. When the Caribbean immigrants came over to the UK in the 60s there was a huge backlash, and now the Afro-Caribbean population of the UK are as integrated and any 'true British' citizen. Same with the Bangladeshis. It's all a matter of the adjustment period but certain political parties like to jump on it as a way to scare people and no one ever realises this as it's happening despite the historical evidence
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/britains-most-racist-election-smethwick-50-years-on[/url]
'if you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote labour'
see how that's changed?
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48290994]It's just as racist if i assume it's some white gangs that did this.[/QUOTE]
You know what's not racist though? Not flying off the handle and ranting about "immigration problems" whenever a crime happens. Like a lot of posters on here are want to do for some fucking reason.
If you want to not look like a fucking racist, then stop doing racist things and assuming all the wrongs in a country are the fault of immigrants. Wait until press releases actually confirm it's an immigrant [I]then[/I] go on your pointless rants with no solutions.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48290994]It's just as racist if i assume it's some white gangs that did this.
In a city where the populations is a high percentage of immigrants and known conflict between the Arabs and the Jews it's logical to think at first eyesight it's something related to something racial between those two groups, if you don't then you're just extremely naive "ah those gosh darn white people again :)"
If it happened in let's say in a city with a high percentage of asians where for example there are two gangs having a rivalry, you hear of an attack. Would it not be logical to assume it's asian gangs that did this, no?[/QUOTE]
so there's no possibility it could be done by far right nationalist terrorists as opposed to immigrant terrorists? because we're not assuming it's white people, we're avoiding making assumptions
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;48291012]I was about to say this. When the Caribbean immigrants came over to the UK in the 60s there was a huge backlash, and now the Afro-Caribbean population of the UK are as integrated and any 'true British' citizen. Same with the Bangladeshis. It's all a matter of the adjustment period but certain political parties like to jump on it as a way to scare people and no one ever realises this as it's happening despite the historical evidence
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/britains-most-racist-election-smethwick-50-years-on[/url]
'if you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote labour'
see how that's changed?[/QUOTE]
Christ I totally overlooked that example actually. The ones I've listed are just the few I remember from my 22 years of living in the country. Quite a lot of new cultures who have all assimilated quite well outside of edge cases that fruitcakes like Farage and "proper british for british" will latch on to.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48290959]You are the problem with culture today. You are the reason people are afraid of addressing problems and mentioning problems that exist today.
All you do is sitting on your high horse and act righteous. You know absolutely nothing about how things are over here and how it is a problem. It's extremely arrogant, we can't even talk about issues anymore because of people like you screaming "RACIST, BIGOT YOU IGNORANT FUCK" at anyone as much as trying to talk about it.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is telling you to stop talking. Talk about it how much you want. But if you think that having friends that are not of your skin colour makes it impossible for you to be racist then I don't know what goes through your head and if you think the problem is solved by greatly reducing the amount of immigrants to be taken in, then you're short-sighted.
Why are you guys even having this immigration debate in this thread, it's not relevant to the article.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48290994]It's just as racist if i assume it's some white gangs that did this.
[/quote]
Yes. Yes it is.
[quote]
In a city where the populations is a high percentage of immigrants and known conflict between the Arabs and the Jews it's logical to think at first eyesight it's something related to something racial And people will think that, if you don't then you're just extremely naive "ah those gosh darn white people again :)"
If it happened in let's say in a city with a high percentage of asians where for example there are two gangs having a rivalry, you hear of an attack. Would it not be logical to assume it's asian gangs that did this, no?
No. It's easy to assume but if you actually sit down and read into a situation you will get the answer of who did this.[/QUOTE]
No that is wrong. You will get the answer who did this by investigations by the police. Evidence.
Any speculation based assumption is wrong.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48291022]Nobody is telling you to stop talking. Talk about it how much you want. But if you think that having friends that are not of your skin colour makes it impossible for you to be racist then I don't know what goes through your head and if you think the problem is solved by greatly reducing the amount of immigrants to be taken in, then you're short-sighted.
Why are you guys even having this immigration debate in this thread, it's not relevant to the article.[/QUOTE]
Because somebody instantly assumed "it's the immigrants who did this" without any evidence whatsover and that's what I called racist and now the shoes are worn.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48291013]You know what's not racist though? Not flying off the handle and ranting about "immigration problems" whenever a crime happens. Like a lot of posters on here are want to do for some fucking reason.
If you want to not look like a fucking racist, then stop doing racist things and assuming all the wrongs in a country are the fault of immigrants. Wait until press releases actually confirm it's an immigrant [I]then[/I] go on your pointless rants with no solutions.[/QUOTE]
You missed my point.
Try again.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Killuah;48291024]Yes. Yes it is.
No that is wrong. You will get the answer who did this by investigations by the police. Evidence.
Any speculation based assumption is wrong.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
Because somebody instantly assumed "it's the immigrants who did this" without any evidence whatsover and that's what I called racist and now the shoes are worn.[/QUOTE]
Then i guess we have no ideas in common then because your logic to me is insane.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48290979]Oh no! 22.3% of a population have said "fuck the brown people coming here". Whatever will we do!
Oh wait. We'll ignore that because it's not remotely scientific to assume that any polling of a generally uneducated population is a good indicator that there is actually a problem. Of the population polled how many were actually totally knowledgable about the immigration and immigration systems of Sweden?
Had we listened to this kind of shit over in the UK, we'd have needed to kick out so many different groups that, over time (usually a generation or two) have started assimilating perfectly fine. Portugese, Polish, Latvian, various Asian groups. They usually start to assimilate quite well give time no matter the number of them coming in. For a while there is culture shock and they don't get on too well, but that is quite temporary.[/QUOTE]
23.3% to be exact, that's over 1/5th of the population and about 2 million people - me one of them, educated in the Swedish immigration system, after all I was the one helping my Albanian friend into the country by having many discussions with the Swedish Migration Authorities - so I'm all set when it comes to how educated I am in how the authorities handles immigrants.
You can't be serious by meaning that 2 million people does not know what they are voting for? Surely there's a bunch of uneducated ones, a bunch of educated ones and a bunch of people somewhere between. That's what I believe.
I don't know where you got that the Swedish population is uneducated - I think England and Sweden are pretty even when it comes to education.
[QUOTE=Svenskunganka;48291029]23.3% to be exact, that's over 1/5th of the population and about 2 million people - me one of them, educated in the Swedish immigration system, after all I was the one helping my Albanian friend into the country by having many discussions with the Swedish Migration Authorities - so I'm all set when it comes to how educated I am in how the authorities handles immigrants.
You can't be serious by meaning that 2 million people does not know what they are voting for? Surely there's a bunch of uneducated ones, a bunch of educated ones and a bunch of people somewhere between. That's what I believe.
I don't know where you got that the Swedish population is uneducated - I think England and Sweden are pretty even when it comes to education.[/QUOTE]
yeah and 74% of England supported Enoch Powell who made the 'rivers of blood' speech which is widely acknowledged to be one of the most fear mongering and slanderous political speeches in British history
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;48291017]so there's no possibility it could be done by far right nationalist terrorists as opposed to immigrant terrorists? because we're not assuming it's white people, we're avoiding making assumptions[/QUOTE]
People are taking assumptions too seriously. Assumptions can be shrugged of as a mere passerby comment - If you heard someone read a newspaper out loud "massacre in the middle-east" and then quickly followed it with "i bet it's ISIS" without him reading more into the article would you scream "OH MY GOD, YOU CANT JUST ASSUME THAT" no you wouldn't because that's stupid and you are overreacting.
Some people in this thread is inherently racist but you guys are taking some comments here waaaaayyy to fucking seriously, and you screaming racist left and right is downright amusing to watch. The word racist is losing its meaning.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48291048]People are taking assumptions too seriously. Assumptions can be shrugged of as a mere passerby comment - If you heard someone read a newspaper out loud "massacre in the middle-east" and then quickly followed it with "i bet it's ISIS" without him reading more into the article would you scream "OH MY GOD, YOU CANT JUST ASSUME THAT"[/QUOTE]
ISIS is not a race though
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48291048]People are taking assumptions too seriously. Assumptions can be shrugged of as a mere passerby comment - If you heard someone read a newspaper out loud "massacre in the middle-east" and then quickly followed it with "i bet it's ISIS" without him reading more into the article would you scream "OH MY GOD, YOU CANT JUST ASSUME THAT"[/QUOTE]
no because that's someone in the street who isn't trying to have a discussion, there's no point engaging in that. If you're trying to have a discussion then yeah I will point out the flaws in your argument
also no one's screaming here
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48291048]People are taking assumptions too seriously. Assumptions can be shrugged of as a mere passerby comment - If you heard someone read a newspaper out loud "massacre in the middle-east" and then quickly followed it with "i bet it's ISIS" without him reading more into the article would you scream "OH MY GOD, YOU CANT JUST ASSUME THAT"[/QUOTE]
Oh now it's taking assumtions to serious, yeah of course.
Also no I wouldn't because I usually don't react to people screaming in the street except for when I'm taking part of a protest or rally.
You're at the point of "dude why are you getting so worked up about the racist assumptions on page one"
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48291058]ISIS is not a race though[/QUOTE]
lol, he even admits seeing all arabs as ISIS members
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48291058]ISIS is not a race though[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about assumptions now though
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;48291061]no because that's someone in the street who isn't trying to have a discussion, there's no point engaging in that. If you're trying to have a discussion then yeah I will point out the flaws in your argument
also no one's screaming here[/QUOTE]
Of course not it's the internet and this is text. But that's what it looks like when i'm reading it.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;48291074]lol, he even admits seeing all arabs as ISIS members[/QUOTE]
Dude don't get so worked up about a hypothetic example, if someone would scream shit Freudian slip hypothetic examples in the street, would you react?
[QUOTE=Killuah;48291069]Oh now it's taking assumtions to serious, yeah of course.
Also no I wouldn't because I usually don't react to people screaming in the street except for when I'm taking part of a protest or rally.
You're at the point of "dude why are you getting so worked up about the racist assumptions on page one"[/QUOTE]
When three people are trying to argue with you trying to justify them overreacting to peoples passing comments the discussion evolves and the discussion becomes very tangled. And as i see from the posts above it's not arguing anymore it's just trying to score zingers at this point.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48291079]
Of course not it's the internet and this is text. But that's what it looks like when i'm reading it.[/QUOTE]
you literally told someone on the previous page that they are the problem with modern society, that sounds more like screaming than anything else
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48291092]When three people are trying to argue with you trying to justify them overreacting to peoples passing comments the discussion evolves and the discussion becomes very tangled. And as i see from the posts above it's not arguing anymore it's just trying to score zingers at this point.[/QUOTE]
there's a reason those passing comments got the users banned.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;48291095]you literally told someone on the previous page that they are the problem with modern society, that sounds more like screaming than anything else[/QUOTE]
Indeed i did. It's not allowed to discuss anything if race or creed is in the picture - Because it's a dangerous territory because nobody wants to be branded racist and dare not touch the subject.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;48291095]you literally told someone on the previous page that they are the problem with modern society, that sounds more like screaming than anything else
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
there's a reason those passing comments got the users banned.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because they are shitposts not because they are super racist.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;48291106]Indeed i did. It's not allowed to discuss anything if race or creed is in the picture - Because it's a dangerous territory because nobody wants to be branded racist and dare not touch the subject.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
Yeah because they are shitposts not because they are super racist.[/QUOTE]
I'll reply to your first comment first. You're not being branded racist for saying things, you're being branded racist because you make these statements that ignore other issues to put all or the majority of the burden on the issue of immigration. People have tried showing you facts and figures thread after thread after thread whenever these discussions come up but no one wants to listen
as for the second part, that's exactly my point. They are shitposts intended to start an argument and have no place in this thread
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