150+ car pileup in Michigan leaves one dead, uncounted injured - Polidicks

[QUOTE=itisjuly;46897472]Do they not put sand and salt combo on snowy roads after snowplow in US?[/QUOTE] Up in the mountains over here they do but up there they get snow every winter and have such curvy roads that every would be going 5-10 mph without Plowing and salting.

A little on road conditions. I'm a fair bit east of there and live right off the same interstate. Roads were actually relatively clear and safe yesterday and really only got notably slick later int he evening. My understanding is that a patch of ice combined with a sudden whiteout from blowing snow contributed to the problem. Roads were actually pretty safe and it was clear all day, but you can see on the video how there's a cloud of fog blowing in and out just behind the pileup at times, which is the snow blowing across the highway from a field or hill.

If you can't see shit, then you slow the [I]fuck[/I] down. If you're going even 30 and can barely see two or three cars in front of you, you're being way too dangerous.

Is I-94 open again after that? I need to drive through there tomorrow because I put off doing it today.

Relevant: [video=youtube;XsR0DeY7f1g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsR0DeY7f1g[/video]

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;46896080]Very hard to judge when visibility is so low and the road is so bad. [/QUOTE] You just did, that means you're going too fast...

[QUOTE=TestECull;46896254] [quote]and why didnt anybody get out of their car and go up the road and wave at people[/quote] BEcause then they'd just get run over themselves. And ignored. [/QUOTE] But don't they have warning triangles like these ones? We are required by law to have them in our vehicles and to put them out at an accident at a distance far enough away for other motorists to stop in time. [img]http://www.harald-nyborg.se/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/8/8851.jpg[/img]

People definitely drive way too fast for the conditions on the highways here I may even be guilty of that myself. You get so used to the snow you get careless and then things like this happen. [editline]10th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SnakeHead;46899916]People definitely drive way too fast for the conditions on the highways here I may even be guilty of that myself. You get so used to the snow you get careless and then things like this happen.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lalelalala;46899907]But don't they have warning triangles like these ones? We are required by law to have them in our vehicles and to put them out at an accident at a distance far enough away for other motorists to stop in time. [img]http://www.harald-nyborg.se/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/8/8851.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Barely anyone here from I've seen carries safety equiptment like that in their vehicle, and no it isn't required.

[QUOTE=Lalelalala;46899907]But don't they have warning triangles like these ones? We are required by law to have them in our vehicles and to put them out at an accident at a distance far enough away for other motorists to stop in time. [img]http://www.harald-nyborg.se/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/8/8851.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Road flares are generally encouraged, but not required to be carried. Out of all those cars I'm surprised nobody had anything like a roadflare to put out. you should be able to cover the road with flares with the amount of cars there

[QUOTE=JakeIsWin;46896265]Like TestE said, in the United States, very rarely will you see winter tires. It's generally radial only.[/quote] Radial is a method of constructing the tire pertaining to how the steel belts within the tire are laid. Winter tires are also radials. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_tire[/url] [quote] It's actually illegal to use them in most states.[/QUOTE] No. Winter tires are legal in all fifty states. [i]Studded[/i] tires are illegal in many because they do more damage to the roadways than they benefit motorists. Besides, a good winter tire is better than a studded one most of the time anyway, as winter tire tech has advanced far beyond studded tech. [editline]10th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;46896601]The day could be sunny and bright and the driving conditions could still be horrendous. In Minneapolis today the conditions looked great but I passed by like 3-4 accidents on my 15-minute commute to work. Driving in icy conditions is terrifying - in regular conditions, you could recover from spinning out, but in icy conditions you're basically fucked and your car is going to end up in a ditch.[/QUOTE] With good winter tires, a car in good shape and proper driving technique you'll be fine in all but the worst ice storms.

[QUOTE=proch;46897966]If not it may be they have "all season" tires, which are utter shit.[/QUOTE] Indeed. I hate all season tires with a burning passion. I use Mud and Snow tires on my pickups. They're not winter tires, admittedly, but they're leaps and bounds better than all seasons when things get slippery and I don't exactly live in the snow belt. The goodyears I use are nylon belted, too, so it's perfectly okay to let the air out of them when it snows or if I have to drive on mud/sand. I won't hurt them as is possible doing that with steel belted tires. I let my rears down to 15PSI, fronts to 20, put 200 pounds of old junk cylinder heads in the bed of my truck, chain up, and that sumbit is [i]planted[/i]. Since I won't be going fast enough to get them hot and blow them out, nor do so long enough to wear them out(They get reinflated to the 35PSI they run normally once the snow melts), all is good. Only way I could get any better is if I had a set of dedicated winter tires in storage, which I'll probably start doing when I can afford to drop a thousand dollars on wheels and tires. Luckily LT235/75R15 is a ridiculously common size fitted to US pickups and SUVs for over seventy years(And AFAIK is still used by quarter ton/'light' pickups to this very day), so finding suitable wheels and tires is not difficult. I can snag a set of five wheels off an '80-'96 F-series(I have an '85) that'll bolt right on for about a hundred fifty, the rest of that budget goes to some Blizzaks or something. The best winter tires on the market, I ain't gonna skimp on that. [QUOTE=Cmx;46897288]Chains are illegal to use on the road here in michigan[/QUOTE] Which is laughable. Down here in TN they outlaw studded tires and actively encourage the use of snow chains in their stead.

to be fair the roads in michigan are already awful [I]without[/I] everyone using studded tires and snow chains

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;46899097]If you can't see shit, then you slow the [I]fuck[/I] down. If you're going even 30 and can barely see two or three cars in front of you, you're being way too dangerous.[/QUOTE] 123456 It's like people assume nothing will happen to them and drive like motherfucking Niki Lauda.

[QUOTE=fishyfish777;46901726]to be fair the roads in michigan are already awful [I]without[/I] everyone using studded tires and snow chains[/QUOTE] Plus you've got fucking snowmobiles going across the road and tearing up my tires. That was so awful when I used to live in Cadillac.

[QUOTE=Lalelalala;46899907]But don't they have warning triangles like these ones? We are required by law to have them in our vehicles and to put them out at an accident at a distance far enough away for other motorists to stop in time. [img]http://www.harald-nyborg.se/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/8/8851.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] It wouldn't matter in this situation anyway. If people don't give enough of a shit to slow down in white out conditions, they definitely aren't going to be looking for those if they can even see them in the first place. On a second note, it must be really nice to be able to afford snow tires. :v:

At least only one people died, it could have been WAY worse.