Mother of dutch teen travels to Syria to rescue daughter from ISIS, comes back with daughter, daught - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46554690]Over 10 confirmed kills later she approaches the basement of the stronghold. She shoots the lock, throws a flashbang in. A terrorist is holding her daughter by the neck, makarov pistol pointed at her head. Dutch mom hipfire headshots him with her AK, daughter falls on the floor.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Solomon;46554723]Hang on, hang on. Weren't there [i][b]two[/b][/i] of these Dutch girls that went to Syria?[/QUOTE]PLOT TWIST: [i]That terrorist wasn't a man, he was actually the other Dutch girl.[/i] momma monique says: ma'salam motherfucker *AC/DC outro*

People can act so big in front of a computer, Calling for death of these girls. Life under complete observation will work just as fine, then everyone is happy. No fear of terrorist attacks, and the girl gets to live out her life half-way normal. Shouldn't charge stupid teens with stupid crimes.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46554912]People can act so big in front of a computer, Calling for death of these girls. Life under complete observation will work just as fine, then everyone is happy. No fear of terrorist attacks, and the girl gets to live out her life half-way normal. Shouldn't charge stupid teens with stupid crimes.[/QUOTE] murder is a stupid crime does that mean we shouldn't charge people for murder? your logic ain't 100%. Terrorist attacks will always occur, no matter what.

[QUOTE=MrBunneh;46553769]I'd like to imagine what happened when she showed up in syria. "You're coming home right now missy!" "But moooooom, you're embarrassing me in front of the jihadists! ugh omg mom you're so haram"[/QUOTE] "no daughter of mine is joining a terrorist group! Get in the car!" " Bye Monique's daughter... Hope you can come and play with us soon :(" " she wont come, shes grounded!" "aww :'("

[QUOTE=Megadave;46554912]People can act so big in front of a computer, Calling for death of these girls. Life under complete observation will work just as fine, then everyone is happy. No fear of terrorist attacks, and the girl gets to live out her life half-way normal. Shouldn't charge stupid teens with stupid crimes.[/QUOTE] Uh, pretty sure nobody in the thread was calling for her death, just imprisonment. Also, I was a hell of a stupid teen when I was younger, never joined a terrorist group though nor wanted to marry someone in a terrorist group.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;46553725]It's not like she shoplifted or something petty. She joined a fucking terrorist group. Also you can't just say "teenagers" like shes 13 years old. Shes fucking 19 years old, shes an adult. Even if she was 16 I'd want her to be charged.[/QUOTE] She probably listened to a romanticized version of it. These groups tend to omit information so that people could easily join it.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;46553875]Why is it we abandon all sense of nuance when it comes to boogey-men like ISIS? The act of physically traveling there to marry someone is not on the same level as physically traveling there to wage jihad. She's thick as a brick for doing it but blowing it out of proportion isn't going to help either.[/QUOTE] If you were to marry a criminal knowingly, are you not supporting their criminal activities so long as you associate yourself with that person and they go unpunished?

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;46555524]If you were to marry a criminal knowingly, are you not supporting their criminal activities so long as you associate yourself with that person and they go unpunished?[/QUOTE] No, you're not.

Should I be sad I predicted who would be defending we the moment I opened this thread? Yes she went to marry a jihadist, but she went as a war bride.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;46555570]No, you're not.[/QUOTE] So, you go marry a serial killer and just look the other way while he kills people, that's not supporting him? Law calls that accessory to his crimes, at the very least.

she is so grounded

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;46553705]Fight terror with terror. Good job justice system. Because Teenagers aren't impressionable and don't make mistakes at all right?[/QUOTE] Thee's making a mistake like drinking too much your first time. Then there's joining genocidal terrorists, which isn't your ordinary mistake, you colossal retard.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;46555642]So, you go marry a serial killer and just look the other way while he kills people, that's not supporting him? Law calls that accessory to his crimes, at the very least.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say it's supporting him at all. There's a reason that the law makes the distinction between accessory and actually committing the crime; they're not the same thing. I certainly don't believe that this girl, or any of the others, should get off scot free, but suggesting that they actually assisted in the atrocities being committed is absurd. They didn't pick up a rifle, they didn't behead any children. They went there and married someone.

It's a shame but, What did she think WAS gonna happen?! Daughter comes home and they celebrate Christmas? She left the country to join a terrorist organization. Of course she's going to face trials when she returns.

I don't know what my mother would do if I joined the IS. [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] Or my government

It would make a shit ton of sense if she was charged based on the very likely possibility that she went out and murdered and tortured a bunch of people rather than just knowingly marry someone who was a part of said terrorist group, but if people want her to be punished solely because she went to Syria to marry a someone who just so happens to be a terrorist, it's going to make me think that they're insecure as fuck. Anyways, that mother seems absolutely brave to go and try to rescue her daughter from an area where it would have been pretty likely that she would be caught and get absolutely screwed over, and I can't imagine that a lot of parents in this world would attempt to do that if they had already lost respect for their child for marrying a terrorist.

It's like getting your parents to be your DD but worse

[QUOTE=Megadave;46554912]People can act so big in front of a computer, Calling for death of these girls. Life under complete observation will work just as fine, then everyone is happy. No fear of terrorist attacks, and the girl gets to live out her life half-way normal. Shouldn't charge stupid teens with stupid crimes.[/QUOTE] Gotta love how middle east threads always bring psychos like this out who want people dead.

[QUOTE=Skerion;46556694]It would make a shit ton of sense if she was charged based on the very likely possibility that she went out and murdered and tortured a bunch of people rather and not just marry someone who was a part of said terrorist group, but if people want her to be punished solely because she went to Syria to marry a someone who just so happens to be a terrorist, it's going to make me think that they're insecure as fuck. Anyways, that mother seems absolutely brave to go and try to rescue her daughter from an area where it would have been pretty likely that she would be caught and get absolutely screwed over, and I can't imagine that a lot of parents in this world would attempt to do that if they had already lost respect for their child for marrying a terrorist.[/QUOTE] Do you actually think that ISIS would let women fight? They believe that they'll go to hell if they're killed by one. I doubt any of the women who go there could actually commit any atrocities, even if they wanted to.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;46557358]Do you actually think that ISIS would let women fight? They believe that they'll go to hell if they're killed by one. I doubt any of the women who go there could actually commit any atrocities, even if they wanted to.[/QUOTE] They have got no problem making women into suicide bombers though

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;46553725]It's not like she shoplifted or something petty. She joined a fucking terrorist group. Also you can't just say "teenagers" like shes 13 years old. Shes fucking 19 years old, shes an adult. Even if she was 16 I'd want her to be charged.[/QUOTE] i just hope its not like 20 years in prison or something, i mean it'd be a waste if we just threw her life away in prison after her mother went through so much to save her [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] also she's probably grounded for 20 years

[QUOTE=Kybalt;46553836]So... do we blame people who join cults because they themselves are depressed?[/QUOTE] That's a very shitty comparison.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;46557358]Do you actually think that ISIS would let women fight? They believe that they'll go to hell if they're killed by one. I doubt any of the women who go there could actually commit any atrocities, even if they wanted to.[/QUOTE] Well, I figured that that was one of the reasons why she's going to court. The article mentioned that they were investigating on what she did, so I figured that she got detained because of a suspicion of a crime she may have committed besides joining a terrorist group or something like that, though I suppose it makes a lot of sense that the women weren't allowed to go out and kill people considering the ethical background of ISIS. Is it possible that the female members were actually allowed to directly assist the terrorist group, like perhaps informing them of non-ISIS supporters and where they lived or some shit like that, or are they pretty much just used for the very least important roles?

[QUOTE]A public hearing is planned in three months. Until then Aicha and [B][U]her lawyers have been banned from speaking[/U][/B] to anyone except her mother. [/QUOTE] It must suck to be her lawyer.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46557907]That he isn't allowed to speak to things like the media? Sounds normal.[/QUOTE] Its absolutely normal. Hell, Jurors are forbidden by default to discuss the case anywhere outside court walls.

Wait, so how did she go about rescuing her?

[QUOTE=ashrobhoy;46554782]next call of duty plot[/QUOTE] Call of Duty: Modern Momfare

she broke the law, so she faces the consequences. they shouldn't be cruel consequences, but there's an obligation to hold up the law. if one does not like the law, then the law should be changed, rather than the law's implementation. i would assume the trial will sort things out accordingly.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;46557358]Do you actually think that ISIS would let women fight? They believe that they'll go to hell if they're killed by one. I doubt any of the women who go there could actually commit any atrocities, even if they wanted to.[/QUOTE] Mate, when I was in Afghanistan, they were making kids and women into bombers. If Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are willing to do it, I'm sure as fucking Hell that ISIL is willing to do it.

[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;46553781]I can't imagine what that could possibly accomplish.[/QUOTE] That's actually pretty short sighted. A girl at the age of 19, given adequate time could birth a new child about once a year, over the course of 16 years she could easily have 16 children, assuming an even gender split that is 8 boys 8 girls. Given time those boys become more fighters and those girls become 16 more children multiplied by 8. While it's true that she personally probably isn't going to pick up a gun, if ISIS somehow lasts, she'll contribute more to their cause than any single man could. This is also ignoring that women aren't totally useless, if Tsarnaev at the age of 20 can put together a bomb and have it successfully detonate, it's possible she might have learned to do the same.