[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;34525989]You see, all this would be fine and well if the people that usually brandish swastikas didn't hold Nazi beliefs. But they do, and therein lies the problem.
People love excusing Nazi-sympathizers when they brandish symbols of hatred by saying that it's just an "image," it's just an "icon," that the "values and sentiments and ideas that are contained within it are merely there because of what people have attached to it," and that if it were "any different, people would have a totally different outlook on it." But this doesn't really [I]mean[/I] anything, because just like how they say that a symbol contains no intellectual properties other than the ones that people attach to it, would it not stand to reason that since the swastika is regarded as a symbol of hatred and violence and racism, that it has no place in modern society?
It's time to stop defending Nazis and Nazi-sympathizers' choices to wave around symbols that they [I]know[/I] are going to be perceived as offensive by the rest of society, and instead claim a modicum of responsibility by denouncing their actions as the surreptitious displays of bigotry that they are.[/QUOTE]
And as far as I'm concerned those Nazi sympathizers or Neo-Nazis can believe whatever the hell they want to believe, it's their choice. Unless the group as a whole is actively harming people or property (and they're not really a unified group if I remember correctly) then they can be as racist as they please
Meh, everyone has the right to their own opinion I guess.
A swastika above a SS flag this is really insensitive and should really be filed under bad taste and be removed.
So you americans understand its like hanging this flag:
[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQm9H985PFEcq_GqpqVh_c50cwxA8RbcebjBYlad4f0mSe5AKW70DRqG7xPng[/img]
[QUOTE=taipan;34530393]A swastika above a SS flag this is really insensitive and should really be filed under bad taste and be removed.
So you americans understand its like hanging this flag:
[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQm9H985PFEcq_GqpqVh_c50cwxA8RbcebjBYlad4f0mSe5AKW70DRqG7xPng[/img][/QUOTE]
It's a Flag. Whether you like it or not that era in History occurred and it shouldn't be forgotten. Like the guy in the article says, he's not a racist, he makes flags for a Living and thats one of the flags he sells. Quit being so sensitive. There dozens of groups or people that can buy these flags and use them without being racist.
[QUOTE=taipan;34530393]A swastika above a SS flag this is really insensitive and should really be filed under bad taste and be removed.
So you americans understand its like hanging this flag:
[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQm9H985PFEcq_GqpqVh_c50cwxA8RbcebjBYlad4f0mSe5AKW70DRqG7xPng[/img][/QUOTE]
Did you not understand that point of that episode
That SS flag is pretty awesome.
[QUOTE=taipan;34530393]A swastika above a SS flag this is really insensitive and should really be filed under bad taste and be removed.
So you americans understand its like hanging this flag:
[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQm9H985PFEcq_GqpqVh_c50cwxA8RbcebjBYlad4f0mSe5AKW70DRqG7xPng[/img][/QUOTE]
Who cares? The past is the past, notice how the average white American (since this is about race) has no issue talking about it, because it's the past and we left it in the past
Notice how common and almost even accepted racist humor is in the US, which contrasts nicely with the whole "terrified of looking like a Nazi" thing that Germans apparently have going on
you don't have to look at it
it's as stupid as getting offended over someone saying the word retard
it's not directed toward you, nor is it even relevant to you, you're not fucking mentally disabled
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;34528926]Cite me with the scientifically backed study you used to come to this conclusion[/QUOTE]
I don't have to. The swastika is regarded as offensive widely enough in the west that anyone who isn't a Nazi or the most socially inept person in the world would know that you shouldn't display it.
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;34531342]I don't have to. The swastika is regarded as offensive widely enough in the west that anyone who isn't a Nazi or the most socially inept person in the world would know that you shouldn't display it.[/QUOTE]
So because you believe it's offensive, it makes the person that displays one racist?
you are using the same logic racists use btw
also how do you feel about the hammer and sickle?
As much as I disagree with the Nazi/Neo-Nazi belief there's really no reason to take it down.
[QUOTE=K1ngo64;34525596]The Nazi flag looks fucking badass. Only problem is that the design got completely tarnished thanks to the Nazis and has become a symbol of hatred. Imagine in an alternate reality if they were good guys, I bet everyone would think it is a cool looking flag.
Still, flying Nazi/SS flags are in bad taste but hey, the guy can do whatever he wants.[/QUOTE]
If the Allies lost, they would've been the 'good guys'.
[editline]4th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;34531342]I don't have to. The swastika is regarded as offensive widely enough in the west that anyone who isn't a Nazi or the most socially inept person in the world would know that you shouldn't display it.[/QUOTE]
Learn to get past all of your fucking brainwash.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url]
What does his shirt say? Being hebrew and all.
I saw a Hitler Youth Knife and other Nazi paraphernalia being sold at a flea market here a few months ago, no one seemed to care.
[QUOTE=Tampio;34529018]I didn't know the [B]ancient symbol of luck[/B] is something that would shock people. :eng101:[/QUOTE]
Stop being such a smart ass. Firstly, the flag is very clearly a Nazi flag and represents all that Nazi Germany stood for. It is not the swastika that angers people, but the flag. Second, who gives a shit if the symbol used to represent luck? The British flag used to represent colonialism, oppression, and pure evil to those who suffered under its rule. Should we regard it with the same feelings today?
[editline]3rd February 2012[/editline]
I still think he should be allowed to fly it, of course
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;34533046]So because you believe it's offensive, it makes the person that displays one racist?
you are using the same logic racists use btw
also how do you feel about the hammer and sickle?[/QUOTE]
It's not just me, it's a large part of society that views it as offensive. That's reason enough to think that most people who display it are racist, or in the least, socially uncouth.
The Hammer and Sickle, which I do believe can be somewhat representative of an oppressive regime that some would rightly find offensive, does not and should not hold the same degree of notoriety in the West as the swastika should, partly because the former represented the advancement of the rights of the proletariat, whereas the latter represented the advancement of a particular group (including its proletariat) at the cost of subjugating peoples that were perceived to be lesser than them.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34533679]If the Allies lost, they would've been the 'good guys'.[/QUOTE]
No one's disputing that the Allies had committed a large number of atrocities as well. Are you insinuating that if the Germans had won, their actions would have been less sinister? This little bit of moral relativism isn't really serving any purpose - the fact of the matter is that both sides in any conflict must take responsibility of their actions, but it still cannot be overlooked that the evil deeds that Nazi Germany had committed far outweighed most of the ones that the Allies had committed as well.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34533679]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url][/QUOTE]
Uh, yeah, I know that the swastika is regarded as a positive symbol outside the West. Your argument doesn't really do much for white people in America who brazenly display it in public though.
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;34534101]It's not just me, it's a large part of society that views it as offensive. That's reason enough to think that most people who display it are racist, or in the least, socially uncouth[/QUOTE]
Your entire argument is ad populum
"Many of A say B is wrong so B is wrong"
[QUOTE=G3rman;34522626]Quite the opposite, its still pretty touchy. You know with it being illegal to have any Nazi-related paraphernalia and being censured for the occasional joke by older generations.
Still laughing at one of my teachers stories about it though. When it would snow in her town her father would always talk with his buddies at the biergarten about it and would say:
"Ja, the snow was *makes the Nazi salute* THIS high!"[/QUOTE]
I had a friend who used to do the joke where you did the salute, then ask "'bout this tall, seen Kyle?"
Also, friend of mine has a father who recently married into a Jewish family, and his experiences with them were basically "they love Jew jokes, but the one thing they never joke about is the Holocaust".
[QUOTE=G3rman;34522626]"Ja, the snow was *makes the Nazi salute* THIS high!"[/QUOTE]
Hey Hitler, how tall do you have to be to ride the roller coaster?
"ZIS TALL"
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;34534294]Your entire argument is ad populum
"Many of A say B is wrong so B is wrong"[/QUOTE]
If you're offending a large group of people, then you need to stop whatever you're doing and think for a second - especially if the image that you're espousing is something that directly supports the murder and genocide of millions of people. And let's be honest, what good reason could a person possibly have to fly a Nazi flag other than to show the world he believes in Nazism itself? A flag is meant to symbolize something. If a person doesn't believe in the ideals that his flag is communicating, then what is the point in displaying it in the first place? You can't just pick and choose.
I could understand having a swastika up on display for a multitude of reasons instead of falling back on knee-jerk fascist comments, but the schutzstaffel flag? That's very odd.
[QUOTE=TheSoupNazi;34536091]I could understand having a swastika up on display for a multitude of reasons instead of falling back on knee-jerk fascist comments, but the schutzstaffel flag? That's very odd.[/QUOTE]
For all we know he has other flags flying on different poles. I don't know what is so odd about organising your flags with other flags of a similar subject.
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