Bernie Sanders supporters get a bad reputation online - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49633459]Bernie's promise of "free shit" isn't realistic. Yeah that shit could happen but someone has to pay for it, I don't think most Bernie supporters realize they're going to have to pay for it with heavily raised taxes.[/QUOTE] I don't think that most of Sanders' supporters are in the $250,000+ salary bracket. His campaign has been pretty straight forward about how his policies would be paid for. Even with a tax increase, the resulting effect on the average person's take-home at the end of the day would be better under the Sanders administration as much less waste would end up in the pockets of insurance companies.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49633459]Bernie's promise of "free shit" isn't realistic. Yeah that shit could happen but someone has to pay for it, I don't think most Bernie supporters realize they're going to have to pay for it with heavily raised taxes.[/QUOTE] People keep claiming this, and they're wrong. Both about his policies being "unrealistic", also about them requiring heavily raised taxes in order to function. The introduction of healthcare as a human right in the United States is a decades old concept that was as feasible back then as it is today; when Franklin Roosevelt proposed his "Second Bill of Rights" in 1944, both healthcare and education were included, along with expanded social security, the right to housing, and the right to a living wage (among other things). [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ5bx9AyI4[/media] We don't want free shit; we want a decent society. If taxes have to be raised, fine. Better quality of healthcare, more open access to education, and overall a better standard of living for the majority of Americans? It's worth it. We need to stop lagging behind the rest of the civilized world and get our shit together so we can enter the 21st century already. And beyond that, we really need to end this "money means everything" standard that dominates our society; it's the reason why we have so much unnecessary shit we have to deal with (i.e. everything being run like it's a business, from our schools to our hospitals; everyone's trying to make a buck off you, and they're not made to care a damn what happens to you).

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49634017]Sanders is going to raise everyones taxes, the only ones that will vote for him are Redditors, maybe facepunch which are a niche. Probably the poor. But the middle class isn't going to vote for him. I'd say there is more young voters on social media, especially Trump is popular among the chans.[/QUOTE] I don't think Redditors are 42% of the polling audience, but I'm also not an expert on polls...

/r/sandersforpresident (which is basically the closest you can get to a official bernie sanders subreddit) is probably one of the most cultish subreddits i ever been on. every day they are like "Hey sanders is doing good, donate 5$ to him please" while the subreddit has some sort of ranking system called the "Bernie squad" where you get a higher rank based on verifiable proof you donated/did stuff to support to sanders i mean im gonna vote for the guy but like jesus christ calm the fuck down.

tbh i'm glad bernie has such a massive rampant and devoted fanbase gives me a bit of hope for the future

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;49634392]I will gladly pay higher taxes to push America into the 21st century.[/QUOTE] While Sanders' commitments are honourable, I really don't see that having to raise taxes across the board, to pay for expanded public services, is the only way to 'push America into the 21st century'. For instance, does the United States have a healthcare problem? Yes. But making it single-payer doesn't get rid of the problem, it only means governments are paying for it, through tax payers, instead of insurance companies and insurees (tax payers). Most of the problem with healthcare in the U.S. stems from issues such as healthcare providers being incentivised to provide quantity of care instead of quality of care, thanks to fee-for-service being used as a payment method instead of bundled payments, and other issues such as the U.S. being a 'cost recovery' ground, where drug companies sell drugs overseas for narrower or no profit, making up for that profit in the U.S.. Having an efficient, affordable, sustainable healthcare system is not mutually exclusive with having a private healthcare system. And there are also issues with things like retirement pensions. Sanders wants to expand Social Security, while studies will say that countries should be following the lead of those like Australia and New Zealand in pushing for sustainable 'hybrid schemes' where there's a basic pension which is supplemented by mandated private savings. Social Security in the U.S. was unsustainable from day one, thanks to ageing populations, and even with uncapping the Social Security income tax, there will come a day when Social Security becomes insolvent and either a) the retirement age will go up, b) pensions will be cut or c) everyone is slogged with more taxes. None of those situations are desirable. Like I would love to see Americans having more-affordable healthcare, and ease of mind that they will have a financially-safe retirement, but a common theme of Sanders' approach is 'tax the fuck out of everyone, especially the rich' instead of actually fixing structural problems and making things cost-efficient.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49636164]tbh i'm glad bernie has such a massive rampant and devoted fanbase gives me a bit of hope for the future[/QUOTE] Good politician's on the national level are rare.

I really, really hope Sanders loses Iowa just for the fact that I won't have to see "Feel the Bern" everywhere.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49636447]Good politician's on the national level are rare.[/QUOTE] i was more referring to the overall liberalizing trend in society right now

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49636647]I really, really hope Sanders loses Iowa just for the fact that I won't have to see "Feel the Bern" everywhere.[/QUOTE] why are you this upset about a meme

I want to be the first person to post in the "Hiliary Wins Iowa" thread so I can post "Feel the Bern" [editline]30th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49636650]why are you this upset about a meme[/QUOTE] I'm not upset It's just annoying. And I know people who post the meme will be upset for real.

Bernie supporters come across as opinion forcing and disregarding everyone else at the slightest mention. And also think he can do no wrong

Bernie is great and all, I'd probably support him, but currently, I'd rather see him lose just to spite the obnoxious fanbase he's attracted consisting of redditors and assorted ilk. The kind of people going "If bernie loses to Hillary, I'm voting Trump!".

If you want a candidate to lose not because of their policies, beliefs, actions, etc... but because some part of their fanbase annoys you, I honestly don't know what to say.

[QUOTE=dark-vivec;49636721]Bernie is great and all, I'd probably support him, but currently, I'd rather see him lose just to spite the obnoxious fanbase he's attracted consisting of redditors and assorted ilk. The kind of people going "If bernie loses to Hillary, I'm voting Trump!".[/QUOTE] are you fucking for real are you completely disconnected from reality

[QUOTE=dark-vivec;49636721]Bernie is great and all, I'd probably support him, but currently, I'd rather see him lose just to spite the obnoxious fanbase he's attracted consisting of redditors and assorted ilk. The kind of people going "If bernie loses to Hillary, I'm voting Trump!".[/QUOTE] very edgy some people just want to watch the world bern

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49636741]If you want a candidate to lose not because of their policies, beliefs, actions, etc... but because some part of their fanbase annoys you, I honestly don't know what to say.[/QUOTE] oh stop it what fraction of a percent of people vote on the issues extending beyond their own wallet sorry to say this is what democracy is always if you dont like it we can go back to only wealthy land owning white men voting

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49633370]why act so hostile? i'm not taking any sides, i'm just saying it's wierd how people seem to jump all over hillary and sling slurs at her on a moments notice[/QUOTE] Like he said, it's because she's literally a corporate sellout. It's pretty much proven. People get frustrated that so many other people are still supporting her despite this.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49636899]oh stop it what fraction of a percent of people vote on the issues extending beyond their own wallet sorry to say this is what democracy is always if you dont like it we can go back to only wealthy land owning white men voting[/QUOTE] I'm not sure I follow your point? Someone voting based on a candidate's policies that impact their wallet is at least voting based on the candidate, not something only tenuously connected to a candidate. I fully understand people vote because of various reasons that, objectively, don't make much, if any, sense. And that is their right. There's just something about someone knowingly and willingly voting based on something so arbitrarily and so tenuously related to the actual candidate that I personally find, for lack of a better word, disturbing.

I think most of Sanders' supporters are among the most sane voters in the country right now. Every underdog candidate in history has had a small, but loud and obnoxious fan group. It doesn't matter if that small minority supported Ross Perot in 1992, or Ron Paul in 2012, or Bernie Sanders today. This is much more preferable to the rabid voters who make up the majority of Trump and Hillary's supporters. Especially since these rabid voters don't go online often.

I only skimread through this thread but haven't we had news articles about Trump supports literally assaulting people in real life What people say online seem quite minuscule compared to actual actions

[QUOTE=Rahu X;49633409]So, basically, Bernie Sanders is the Undertale of politicians now. Great politician by himself, but his reputation starts to diminish because of his more extremist supporters being very loud and annoying. Not saying every Bernie supporter is shit (just as not everyone who likes Undertale is shit), that would obviously be a stupid and very untrue thing to claim. And it's not like his supporters are creating fanfic-esque porn with him. At least, not yet... That all being said, just as with Undertale, it's better that you judge Bernie by his actual merits, rather than his fervent supporters.[/QUOTE] what exactly makes him a "great politician"? Genuinely curious

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;49633652]im sure as a macedonian you can shed plenty of light on the matter[/QUOTE] Doesn't stop lots of Europeans from having plenty of 'insightful' opinions on our elections.

[QUOTE=X12321;49637791]what exactly makes him a "great politician"? Genuinely curious[/QUOTE] For one, he's not funded by large banks/corporations (not funded by a single super PAC, even had turned down a campaign contribution from Martin Shkreli and donated that money as far as I remember). His policies that he has spoke about on speeches and even has on his website reflect that of countries that have a better healthcare system, and better education system than we do. (Primarily looking at the European Union). He also wants to: expand social security, close tax loopholes that many corporations are using, wants to break up large banks, wants to entirely avoid war whenever possible, and has voiced and shown that he is against regime toppling (These things here really is what distances him from Hillary). This is primarily my viewpoint because he's been saying the exact same thing every time I hear him speak at a debate/town hall/rally etc, I genuinely believe he is being honest, compared to Hillary who I've seen switch boats occasionally.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49636670]Bernie supporters come across as opinion forcing and disregarding everyone else at the slightest mention. And also think he can do no wrong[/QUOTE] Like literally every other candidates voterbase?

[QUOTE=X12321;49637791]what exactly makes him a "great politician"? Genuinely curious[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm[/url] Sanders has a career long record of acting in the interest of his constituents, and has been very vocal over the years on issues that others (for fear of political fallout or otherwise) have not been involved with. I would highly recommended reading into his voting history, as well as that of his opponents in this race.

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[QUOTE=Killer900;49638041][QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49636670]Bernie supporters come across as opinion forcing and disregarding everyone else at the slightest mention. And also think he can do no wrong[/QUOTE] Like literally every other candidates voterbase?[/QUOTE] This is irrelevant. If his supporter are so enlightened, as they seemingly present themselves by the general attitude they have toward voters for other candidates, then they should be above this petty display. That they are not only proves the point that neither side is different in any meaningful way, differences on the results with the same mentality on reaching it; two sides of the same coin, it's all old hat.

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[QUOTE=Killer900;49638338]"For the first time in a long time the people might actually have a chance of electing a candidate that isn't corrupt and actually has the peoples' best interest at heart but nah fuck that hope he loses just so I can laugh at everyone who actually wanted a decent president lmao" This is how you people come off when you say bullshit like that, thanks[/QUOTE] What the fuck was the point of saying that? I don't even act like that lmao, thanks. Talking to the wrong person I guess lol. I could give a shit who votes for who. I don't chastise people for who they vote for.