Whitehouse.gov responds to petition about removing the "Under god" from the pledge of allegience - Polidicks

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33019240]I don't give a rat's ass how important Obama or any other asshole feels religion is in the public square, "Under God" and "In God We Trust" undermine the US Constitution and should not be in use.[/QUOTE] You're Canadian :v: You're free to critize our government(Whether or not you give Americans the same leeway is another story) this something that is so god damn trivial that it boggles my mind that anyone seriously cares.

[QUOTE=Splarg!;33019230]Ugh. I'm an atheist and I don't give a fuck about "under god" being in the pledge. Maybe in return, people could start not giving a fuck about gay people getting married?[/QUOTE] I wish it worked like that. I have no fucking clue why people can't simply ignore it. It's not like we don't have a choice to say it or not.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33019199]so is facepunch gonna hate obama now? :v:[/QUOTE] The problem with representative democracy is that one presidential candidate may support your views on one debate but not on the other and you have to weigh down which one is better based on all of the viewpoints of the candidate. So the question is "Will obama's response to this petition outweigh all of the other things that he said?".

[QUOTE=Jawalt;33018938]I don't say under god when I say the pledge??? It's that simple.[/QUOTE] Not to sound rude, but we don't care how you say it. The [I]official[/I] Pledge of Allegiance states that the United States is a republic, under God.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;33019263]Not to sound rude, but we don't care how you say it. The [I]official[/I] Pledge of Allegiance states that the United States is republic, under God.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akkhiEyZFwI[/media] Congress holds opening prayer before their sessions begin. Should we storm Capital Hill because they're worshipping an ambiguous, metaphysical deity?

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;33019315][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akkhiEyZFwI[/media] Congress holds opening prayer before their sessions begin. Should we storm Capital Hill because they're worshipping an ambiguous, metaphysical deity?[/QUOTE] Are they holding it as an official opening, or personal that happens to be at an official meeting? [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] Almost like how Obama has a Christmas tree in the White House. He's Christian, he celebrates Christmas. He wants to personally celebrate Christmas, by all means, as human being, he has the right to that.

I don't see a huge problem saying Under god. It's a phrase not a way of life for me.

[url]http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/index.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Fatman55;33018631]I don't get [B]why[/B] it's so important to remove that. It's hardly tying religion and government together at all.[/QUOTE] I don't get [b]why[/b] it was so important to actually put God into it in the first place, the original never had God until the communist scare came about so the US government added God into everything to separate them from the atheist government communists.

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;33019137]But it had reason to be added in 1954.[/QUOTE] but not in 2011

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;33019137]But it had reason to be added in 1954.[/QUOTE] you're telling me that adding "under god" to the pledge of allegiance for a nation that supports religious freedom had a legitimate reason? i dont even care that it's in the pledge, but there's no reason for it to be there. [editline]28th October 2011[/editline] and if you cared to look at the reason it's pretty retarded

And rather than petitioning for better education funding, the war on drugs and the like we should be arguing over one word that is mentioned twice....

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;33019044]To be honest, this was a stupid position. Whether you are religious or a die-hard atheist, just because a pledge says "Under God" doesn't mean you need to petition for it to be removed. In 1776 we gained Independence from Britian, and back then there was almost no such thing as atheists. Everyone believed in someone up there, and if that's how our founding fathers felt, then I'm fine with it.[/QUOTE] The founding fathers didn't put under god on the currency (which didn't exist in it's current form) nor the pledge of allegiance

[QUOTE=Valdor;33019438]you're telling me that adding "under god" to the pledge of allegiance for a nation that supports religious freedom had a legitimate reason? i dont even care that it's in the pledge, but there's no reason for it to be there. [editline]28th October 2011[/editline] and if you cared to look at the reason it's pretty retarded[/QUOTE] we have the freedom of religion and you can choose to not fucking say it, plain and simple flakattack, you're an idiot if you're going to rate every post that isn't full of atheism dumb because they don't follow your opinion

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust[/URL] This is a pretty good read, especially Teddy Roosevelt's opinion of the matter of putting the slogan on money.

[QUOTE=Swilly;33019467]And rather than petitioning for better education funding, the war on drugs and the like we should be arguing over one word that is mentioned twice....[/QUOTE]Too bad people who don't know hunger have nothing better to do than to do than something like this. I'm an atheist, and I don't see the point in arguing over this. It's not really a slippery slope where soldiers are going to have to march into battle with crosses after their daily prayer, and all it really does to argue about this stuff is to make it out that atheists are anti-American to most people.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwBqGpQ1RDU&feature=channel_video_title[/media] This video explains very well why this is upsetting.

While I don't agree with the phrase being used, I'm not going to go to great lengths to argue against it either. We have bigger issues that we should be arguing against and something like this just seems nitpicky as of now.

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;33019498]we have the freedom of religion and you can choose to not fucking say it, plain and simple[/QUOTE] Then take it out of your schools.

[QUOTE=Greenen72;33019510]Too bad people who don't know hunger have nothing better to do than to do than something like this. I'm an atheist, and I don't see the point in arguing over this. It's not really a slippery slope where soldiers are going to have to march into battle with crosses after their daily prayer, and all it really does to argue about this stuff is to make it out that atheists are anti-American to most people.[/QUOTE] Its hardly an atheists fault that american patriotism was bastardized by Christians in an attempt to fight communists by spamming God on an apparent government that represents all slogan's. The US government shouldn't be favouring or supporting one specific group. It may seem tedious to complain over, but its one of the reasons there is such a religious problem in America with it now being culturally embedded into your society, even if a majority may be religious that doesn't mean their ideals or ideas should be plastered on the many via bank notes or an oath.

itt: it's not important so it doesn't matter at alL!!!!!

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33019564]Then take it out of your schools.[/QUOTE] You do realize that students aren't legally required to say the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, right? Heck, all through highschool people didn't even stand up during it at all.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;33019605]You do realize that students aren't legally required to say the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, right? Heck, all through highschool people didn't even stand up during it at all.[/QUOTE] It's the principle of the thing. Whether or not it's commonly said is irrelevant, it's being ingrained in the framework of the system.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33019622]It's the principle of the thing. Whether or not it's commonly said is irrelevant, it's being ingrained in the framework of the system.[/QUOTE] A better choice of words would be that it has been ingrained into the framework of the system. Besides, that doesn't amount to anything when you don't even [I]have[/I] to say it, and I'd be willing to wager on at least half of the populance not knowing why it was added to the pledge in the first place.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;33019605]You do realize that students aren't legally required to say the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, right? Heck, all through highschool people didn't even stand up during it at all.[/QUOTE] They're expected to, and many don't know that they can refuse without getting into trouble

[QUOTE=Ardosos;33019654]A better choice of words would be that it has been ingrained into the framework of the system. Besides, that doesn't amount to anything when you don't even [I]have[/I] to say it, and I'd be willing to wager on at least half of the populance not knowing why it was added to the pledge in the first place.[/QUOTE] No you don't have to say it, but whats the point in adding it in?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33019693]They're expected to, and many don't know that they can refuse without getting into trouble[/QUOTE]when I was in highschool like 1 in 40 students actually said the pledge ever and they were usually discouraged by everyone else not saying it

[QUOTE=Killerjc;33019584]itt: it's not important so it doesn't matter at alL!!!!![/QUOTE] In the presence of far more pressing matters, this is the last thing that needs to be tended to.

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;33019044]back then there was almost no such thing as atheists.[/QUOTE] that's without a doubt the most ignorant thing i've heard in a while ahhah wow

[QUOTE=Swilly;33019467]And rather than petitioning for better education funding, the war on drugs and the like we should be arguing over one word that is mentioned twice....[/QUOTE] I can petition all three and more baby