Whitehouse.gov responds to petition about removing the "Under god" from the pledge of allegience

[Used Car Salesm]

Yeah, I saw that in my inbox. So far the biggest petitions I participated in have been completely and totally blown off.

[Swilly]

[QUOTE=Falchion;33020425]Says the yank who's only grasp of Slavic culture is that THEY ARE EVIL COMMIES!!![/QUOTE]

Says the finish man who has even less knowledge of American culture.

[editline]29th October 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=The golden;33024329]Why did they bother spending the money and the time to make that petition system if they're not going to be doing anything with it? All they're doing is denying petitions.

Oh right. To give the illusion that they actually care. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]

Or to be used for a later date?

Seriously you guys ever hear of political tactics? This could be an elaborate way to slam down republicans when they say that "The American people" agree with them.

[bord2tears]

I personally don't mind under god being there. The problem is that zealots use it as evidence that we are a christian nation in any discourse about the separation of church and state.

[icantread49]

i wouldn't be so against "under god" in the pledge if it wasn't just some bullshit added during the cold war to give people comfort against ~[i]COMMUNISM[/i]~

[editline]29th October 2011[/editline]

the pledge sounded pretty damn good in its original version

[Nerfer]

Only reason why I don't agree with it is because it was added.

Other than that, I don't see much wrong otherwise. I understand Separation of Church and state, but not the complete purging of Religion from public life altogether.

[Megafan]

[QUOTE=Paravin;33020837]Respect and tolerate our opinion and beliefs, but FUCK YOU - we won't respect yours. Sincerely, the retards who support this.[/QUOTE]
So we should continue to have a statement on our currency and in our pledge of allegiance that actively excludes two groups of people, atheists and agnostics?

[butre]

[QUOTE=Falchion;33020425]Says the yank who's only grasp of Slavic culture is that THEY ARE EVIL COMMIES!!![/QUOTE]

says the finn who's only grasp of american culture is an outdated representation left over from the red scare

[Mister Sandman]

I don't even know why the fucking pledge is necessary
at what point in school or in time were you eager to pledge to the flag because I never was
if you ask me it's a big waste of fucking time

[Gazzy]

Why do you pledge allegiance to a flag anyway.

[Alex_DeLarge]

[QUOTE=sp00ks;33021558]Agree. It's basically saying that atheists are worse people than theists.[/QUOTE]

Why is an atheist who is a good person any worse than a Christian? We are good without reward. We don't believe we are going to heaven, we don't believe we are going to hell if we do wrong.

[butre]

[QUOTE=gazzy_GUI;33028551]Why do you pledge allegiance to a flag anyway.[/QUOTE]we're more so pledging allegiance to what the flag stands for

[Mister Sandman]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;33028651]we're more so pledging allegiance to what the flag stands for[/QUOTE]
why do we need to pledge allegiance to what the flag stands for
it's not like if we don't we'll run around taking away peoples rights [sub][sub][sub]aka privileges[/sub][/sub][/sub]
it's completely pointless, nobody ever got shit for going against the pledge, and nobody ever said "well I'd do that but I pledged to the flag!"
you aren't chained by it, you just mindlessly droll it out every day at school and forget about it in a second

[butre]

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33028658]why do we need to pledge allegiance to what the flag stands for
it's not like if we don't we'll run around taking away peoples rights [sub][sub][sub]aka privileges[/sub][/sub][/sub]
it's completely pointless, nobody ever got shit for going against the pledge, and nobody ever said "well I'd do that but I pledged to the flag!"
you aren't chained by it, you just mindlessly droll it out every day at school and forget about it in a second[/QUOTE]the flag stands for the freedom to do that, among other things.

[editline]29th October 2011[/editline]

if this was nazi germany or something you'd be put to death for forgetting about it.

[Mister Sandman]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;33028741]the flag stands for the freedom to do that, among other things.[/QUOTE]
the freedom to do what
the things listed in the bill of rights?
we don't need a pledge for that

[quote][editline]29th October 2011[/editline]

if this was nazi germany or something you'd be put to death for forgetting about it.[/quote]
...and?
what's the point there because I can't find one

[Shoupie]

It's not that big of a fucking deal, jesus. I just don't stand up to say the pledge at school everyday. Simple.

[Man Without Hat]

I'm glad we don't have such a dumb tradition here. I'd just skip the part with God in it out if I were American though.

[QUOTE=Shoupie;33028785]It's not that big of a fucking deal, jesus. I just don't stand up to say the pledge at school everyday. Simple.[/QUOTE]

Or that.

[butre]

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33028774]the freedom to do what
the things listed in the bill of rights?
we don't need a pledge for that

...and?
what's the point there because I can't find one[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but it's not my fault that you don't understand how symbolism works.

[Mister Sandman]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;33028901]I'm sorry but it's not my fault that you don't understand how symbolism works.[/QUOTE]
"...And I gotta tell ya folks, I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and american flags. I consider them to be symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol minded." - George Carlin

[faze]

Why remove something that is part of how this country was founded? All religious beliefs aside, the constitution wasn't meant to be a living document.

[Mister Sandman]

[QUOTE=faze;33028965]Why remove something that is part of how this country was founded? All religious beliefs aside, the constitution wasn't meant to be a living document.[/QUOTE]
except it isn't a part of how this country was founded it was added in much later

[TropicalV2]

[QUOTE=faze;33028965]Why remove something that is part of how this country was founded? All religious beliefs aside, the constitution wasn't meant to be a living document.[/QUOTE]

and how the constitutional framers included a process for amending the constitution

[Gazzy]

If a flag stands for freedom and you need to pledge allegiance to it, it's not real freedom then is it.

[Zeke129]

[QUOTE=Ardosos;33019946]Um, no, first day of school they tell us that it is a choice blah blah blah, it's in the sylabus, the teachers themselves are rather annoyed by the whole process so nobody is "expected to". Zeke, I don't know where you get your information about America, but somebody has been lying to you.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/17/high-schooler-gets-in-trouble-after-not-standing-for-the-pledge-of-allegiance/[/url]

[url]http://atheism.about.com/b/2010/03/13/maryland-teacher-sends-police-after-student-not-saying-pledge.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.askthejudge.info/fined-for-not-saying-the-pledge-of-allegiance/8228/[/url]

[url]http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/nov/19/student-gives-reasons-for-not-standing-during/[/url]

[Ridge]

It's not like it says "Under the one and only Christian God"

It just references any higher power, and is excluded from the 1st Amendment as such.

[lulzbocksV2]

At this point in time, "In God We Trust" means more to our national identity than it does to support religion.

[Megafan]

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;33031458]At this point in time, "In God We Trust" means more to our national identity than it does to support religion.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm pretty it sure it was directly about religion when first implemented, and still is today. Whether or not you decide to say it doesn't change its meaning.

[Canuhearmenow]

[QUOTE=faze;33028965]Why remove something that is part of how this country was founded? All religious beliefs aside, the constitution wasn't meant to be a living document.[/QUOTE]

Except the constitution was specifically designed to be a living document.

[faze]

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;33032015]Except the constitution was specifically designed to be a living document.[/QUOTE]No, it wasn't.

[Broseph_]

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;33019329]Are they holding it as an official opening, or personal that happens to be at an official meeting?

[editline]29th October 2011[/editline]

Almost like how Obama has a Christmas tree in the White House.

He's Christian, he celebrates Christmas. He wants to personally celebrate Christmas, by all means, as human being, he has the right to that.[/QUOTE]

Constitutionally the prayer opening sessions of congress and what Obama does in the white house are not prohibited by the constitution, as the Constitution only states the Federal Legislative shall not create laws establishing or prohibiting any religion, not that they can't take part in religious conduct on capitol hill, with Obama being part of a completely different branch of the government not effected by that regulation in the constitution to Congress

[TropicalV2]

[QUOTE=faze;33032171]No, it wasn't.[/QUOTE]

"my opinion is fact because i'm strongly convinced that it is"