Whitehouse.gov responds to petition about removing the "Under god" from the pledge of allegience - Polidicks

[QUOTE=faze;33032171]No, it wasn't.[/QUOTE] Ben Franklin wasn't convinced it would last anyway

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;33032504]"my opinion is fact because i'm strongly convinced that it is"[/QUOTE]It's not my opinion you doofus.

[QUOTE=faze;33032171]No, it wasn't.[/QUOTE] Explain Article 5 then.

It is something for the courts anyway.

[QUOTE=faze;33032571]It's not my opinion you doofus.[/QUOTE] OH SO YOU WANT TO CALL ME A DOOFUS, DO YOU? YOU WANT TO OFFEND ME? well try offending me after this motherfucker: prove it [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] rate me dumb see if i care bro come at me

[QUOTE=faze;33032171]No, it wasn't.[/QUOTE] The us constitution was designed to be changeable. It's also not one of the most rigid out there.

Why does everybody get all mad about this. It's not like religious folk are telling the government to take out the other 29 words in the pledge because it doesn't relate to our religion. Don't say the 2 words if you don't like it, nobody's going to stop you.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33028935]"...And I gotta tell ya folks, I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and american flags. I consider them to be symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol minded." - George Carlin[/QUOTE] yeah that's what I said, they're symbols. you can desecrate the flag all you want just don't desecrate what it stands for.

[QUOTE=person11;33020102]Why not just say that the phrases fall under Tradition and not Religion? That would legally nullify complaints that is breaches the Constitution. At least that would be the reasoning that I would use if I wanted to keep those two phrases in the pledge of allegiance and in currency.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the excuse the Supreme Court used to brush away court challenges of "In God We Trust" and "Under God". Ironically, the original pledge, from 1892, did not contain the words until 1954... meaning that "tradition" would dictate that "Under God" is NOT part of the American tradition. Basically, the Supreme Court lied through their teeth and in doing so, damned all of America to claims of "America was founded on christian beliefs. It even says 'Under God' in the pledge!" Not the original you retards... but that's a story for another day.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33033711]This is exactly the excuse the Supreme Court used to brush away court challenges of "In God We Trust" and "Under God". Ironically, the original pledge, from 1892, did not contain the words until 1954... meaning that "tradition" would dictate that "Under God" is NOT part of the American tradition. Basically, the Supreme Court lied through their teeth and in doing so, damned all of America to claims of "America was founded on christian beliefs. It even says 'Under God' in the pledge!" Not the original you retards... but that's a story for another day.[/QUOTE] Though you are correct about the use of 'Under God' dating only to the 1950s, the use of 'In God we trust' dates back to 1864, clearly establishing that as tradition

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33033711]This is exactly the excuse the Supreme Court used to brush away court challenges of "In God We Trust" and "Under God". Ironically, the original pledge, from 1892, did not contain the words until 1954... meaning that "tradition" would dictate that "Under God" is NOT part of the American tradition. Basically, the Supreme Court lied through their teeth and in doing so, damned all of America to claims of "America was founded on christian beliefs. It even says 'Under God' in the pledge!" Not the original you retards... but that's a story for another day.[/QUOTE]The original pledge of allegiance was, ironically, written by a pretty well noted socialist. "Under god" was added during the McCarthy era of psychosis (notable for being very anti-communist and anti-socialist) that the country went through.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;33033888]Though you are correct about the use of 'Under God' dating only to the 1950s, the use of 'In God we trust' dates back to 1864, clearly establishing that as tradition[/QUOTE] "In God We Trust" only appeared on coins until 1957, however.

At least they responded. There's more important things to worry about that this, like the debt, LGBT rights to marry, ACTA, ect.

A bit off topic but am I the only one who is slightly offended when someone uses the term "Non-Believer"?

[QUOTE=Vollybomb;33034451]A bit off topic but am I the only one who is slightly offended when someone uses the term "Non-Believer"?[/QUOTE] yea, you're way too sensitive bro

The feel Im getting from these petitions is "Hey thousands of people who want change. Yeah no were gonna keep things the same even if they dont make sense and heres a list of bullshit why,"

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;33034486]yea, you're way too sensitive bro[/QUOTE] I mean I don't want to sound like one of [i] those people, [/i] but the term does seem slightly negative.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;33030869]You and me were meant to be.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZEURntrQOg[/media]

[quote=whitehouse.gov]While the President strongly supports every American's right to religious freedom and the separation of church and state, that does not mean there's no role for religion in the public square.[/quote] So the administration supports the separation of church and state, but in the next sentence it literally just says, "But that doesn't mean we're not gonna directly support Judeo-Christianity as part of policy!" It's not the public square if it's printed on the money and serving as part of the country's federally mandated pledge, that's actually the opposite of the public square if I'm not mistaken. This website seems to be as effective a catalyst for change as every other half-baked petition website.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33034360]"In God We Trust" only appeared on coins until 1957, however.[/QUOTE] No they fucking didn't, "In God We Trust" was added to coins during the Civil War by the treasury under Lincoln, stop being stupid [IMG]http://acdwyer.com/images/1864_two_cent_small_motto_ms65rd_pcgs_obv.jpg[/IMG]

Someone should start a petition for the white house to actually pay attention to the petitions

[QUOTE=Broseph_;33034886]No they fucking didn't, "In God We Trust" was added to coins during the Civil War by the treasury under Lincoln, stop being stupid [IMG]http://acdwyer.com/images/1864_two_cent_small_motto_ms65rd_pcgs_obv.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Abe was a crazy republican clearly.

snip Reason: I might run for public office someday.

[b]Edit:[/b] Misread the title as "from currency." When I was a junior in high school, I actually told my teacher that, because of my newly found religion, I was offended deeply by the fact that I had to say "Under God," and tried to use it as an excuse to not say the pledge. I was lying, of course, but she told me that from a legal standpoint, you have every right to not say the pledge at all. The only thing they can make you do is stand for it. And that's the story of the last day I ever said the pledge of allegiance.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33034360]"In God We Trust" only appeared on coins until 1957, however.[/QUOTE] *psst* you meant paper currency... [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Broseph_;33034886]No they fucking didn't, "In God We Trust" was added to coins during the Civil War by the treasury under Lincoln, stop being stupid[/QUOTE] still wasn't part of the original pledge

[QUOTE=teh pirate;33035009]Someone should start a petition for the white house to actually pay attention to the petitions[/QUOTE] Holy shit it's already been done, awesome

[video=youtube;VsPzhP1Yzfs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsPzhP1Yzfs[/video]

[QUOTE=thisispain;33035193]still wasn't part of the original pledge[/QUOTE] Don't try to start shit with me now, 'Under God' is in the pledge, not 'In God we trust', and I already conceded that it was a modern addition to the pledge in my first response, FlakAttack how ever decided to broaden this to 'In God We Trust', while Megafanx13 has decided to shit all over history to attack the latter.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33019240]I don't give a rat's ass how important Obama or any other asshole feels religion is in the public square, "Under God" and "In God We Trust" undermine the US Constitution and should not be in use.[/QUOTE] just like how Obama doesn't care how a non-citizen feels about domestic matters.

[QUOTE=stupid10er;33041329]just like how Obama doesn't care how a non-citizen feels about domestic matters.[/QUOTE]Him being Canadian doesn't make him any less correct.