Calgary ended water fluoridation. Cavities and other health problems are now rapidly rising.
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[QUOTE=Keys;40695703]Not necessarily because i'm all for the anti-flouride parade (which I am, see Pineal Gland and a long story.), but because in Science you have to test the theory to actually see if there is something to it.[/QUOTE]
We already did this. Over fifty years ago. The theory has been pretty sound since.
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[QUOTE=matt000024;40695502]Hm...
So I checked up on that citation...
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation#cite_note-NHMRC-10[/url]
Australia is obviously the Illuminati Headquarters.
Illuminati has ten letters, but if you combine both L's just nine.
Australia has nine letters.
Try denying this one Sobotnik![/QUOTE]
Goy, keep this quiet, I am trying to convince the schmucks that fluoride is good for you.
Maybe purchasing some consumer goods would put you at ease friend?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40695777]We already did this. Over fifty years ago. The theory has been pretty sound since.
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I disagree, not at least pre-2000's. The testing had been rough and there are accusations that it was never comprehensive enough. Even today there are sources of academia ([url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/]see Harvard[/url]) which have noted decreased IQ and other effects from Flouridation of the water where previously it was thought to be harmless at low doses.
[QUOTE=Keys;40695882]I disagree, not at least pre-2000's. The testing had been rough and there are accusations that it was never comprehensive enough. Even today there are sources of academia ([url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/]see Harvard[/url]) which have noted decreased IQ and other effects from Flouridation of the water where previously it was thought to be harmless at low doses.[/QUOTE]
Although the source you quoted says this:
[quote]A recent experimental study where the rat hippocampal neurons were incubated with various concentrations (20 mg/L, 40 mg/L, and 80 mg/L) of sodium fluoride in vitro showed that fluoride neurotoxicity may target hippocampal neurons (Zhang M et al. 2008). Although acute fluoride poisoning may be neurotoxic to adults, most of the epidemiological information available on associations with children’s neurodevelopment is from China, where fluoride generally occurs in drinking water as a natural contaminant, and the concentration depends on local geological conditions. In many rural communities in China, populations with high exposure to fluoride in local drinking-water sources may reside in close proximity to populations without high exposure (NRC 2006).[/quote]
Given that even 20mg/L is far above healthy levels, it's no surprise it actually did something bad. Secondly, the source is largely looking at the effects of /high/ fluoride on childhood development. These areas in China have high natural fluoride rates far above the usual additives to drinking water.
Basically, if you want good water, reduce the fluoride in high areas whilst increasing it in areas deficient of it. We have been doing this for the past 50 years and it's been a massive boon to healthcare.
this article is obviously psyops from the illuminati.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40695912]Although the source you quoted says this: [see above]
Given that even 20mg/L is far above healthy levels, it's no surprise it actually did something bad. Secondly, the source is largely looking at the effects of /high/ fluoride on childhood development. These areas in China have high natural fluoride rates far above the usual additives to drinking water.
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Hey Bro, I've got this pill that contains very low doses of cyanide in it, our studies indicate that taking very low-dose cyanide could reduce your chances for Diabetes. Don't worry though, it only contains about 15mg of Cyanide per capsule. The average 150lb(70kg) human being would need about 100mg in one dose to keel over. Are you down?
If you're smart, you won't. Because thanks to African cultures eating plants with Cyanide and the use of it during Warfare we now completely understand its effects on the human body. Even a regular low-dose of <12mg of Cyanide can cause problems such as Paralysis, miscarriages, thyroid issues, and more. Flouride hasnt had this history or scrutiny (until now).
Just because it's not 40 or 80mg/L doesn't mean it isn't harmful. Besides, it's just putting a band aid on the problem. It's the sugary foods we eat day in and day out, that are cheaply available to all ages. Less sugar in your foods equates to less cavities. Period. (though total elimination is impossible. Most foods cause plaque and the acids responsible)
doesn't alex jones sell water filters that get rid of the flouride? buy that and stop whining. don't give me cavities because you're afraid of a harmless dose of flouride.
youre comparing potassium cyanide to a mineral that exists in tooth enamel what a fucking joke
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[QUOTE=Keys;40696020]
Just because it's not 40 or 80mg/L doesn't mean it isn't harmful.[/QUOTE]
thats exactly what it means
biology isnt magic, we know how certain chemicals and minerals interact with the body because we understand chemistry and biology
cyanide is harmful because we know that it prevents the body from using oxygen in its cells. using a small dose of cyanide wont metabolize into enough inhibiting factors to cause any cellular death.
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you're being manipulated by people who use your ignorance of chemistry and biology to convince you of something
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40696033]doesn't alex jones sell water filters that get rid of the flouride? buy that and stop whining. don't give me cavities because you're afraid of a harmless dose of flouride.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't crest sell toothpaste? buy that and stop whining. Don't medicate my water supply because you can't brush your teeth.
i have no knowledge of medicine or science, but if i use really intelligent sounding words that sounds medical and skim over wikipedia, maybe i can sound smart defending some conspiracy bullshit that goes against majority of doctors
[QUOTE=zakedodead;40696091]Doesn't crest sell toothpaste? buy that and stop whining. Don't medicate my water supply because you can't brush your teeth.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring that fluoride is naturally available in water and avoiding those that inform you of that. In some regions you may have severely high fluoride levels due to local mineral deposits, the removal of fluoride in filtering is to prevent health issues due to natural local levels. The re-addition of fluoride in water, brings it closer to safe but beneficial levels, however is still a very low concentration.
Most sodas and juices in stores have fluoride in them both due to this and due to products used in production of the drink.
It is a base element, just like iron, calcium and sodium. It is important to ones functioning of their body, and some, if not many, people, especially those who tend to forget to brush, need more of it than they currently receive.
[QUOTE=deadoon;40695553]Well water has naturally occurring minerals in it, including fluoride.[/QUOTE]
Sarcasm
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[QUOTE=bdd458;40696181]Sarcasm
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That was some of the least indicative sarcasm I've seen in a while.
[QUOTE=thisispain;40695013]meaning?[/QUOTE]
you won't be able to receive g-proteins
I sent you some last week did you not get them?
fucking fluoride
as a Calgarian I feel special because there is now a news article about my city.
hey conspiracy nuts any one of you guys live in the blue:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Groundwater-fluoride-world.svg/1000px-Groundwater-fluoride-world.svg.png[/img]
I bet you do, tons of people live in the blue
Guess what the blue means? Blue means that the naturally occurring groundwater has more than the recommended levels of fluoride - which means if they add fluoride to your drinking water, they're adding less than you'd get if you drank spring water instead.
Did the people who live in the blue areas for hundreds or thousands of years before municipal water treatment plants also have their minds controlled by the illuminati?
[QUOTE=Keys;40696020]Just because it's not 40 or 80mg/L doesn't mean it isn't harmful. Besides, it's just putting a band aid on the problem. It's the sugary foods we eat day in and day out, that are cheaply available to all ages. Less sugar in your foods equates to less cavities. Period. (though total elimination is impossible. Most foods cause plaque and the acids responsible)[/QUOTE]
So your solution is something you admit is impossible, but you're still against fluoridation because it doesn't treat the cause of an impossible to fix situation?
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Here's something, eating fucking anything will detriment oral health unless it's toothpaste and you're sure as hell not meant to be eating that
In addition to the mention of natural spring water containing fluoride, I've been stuck on bottled spring water from the store (our faucet doesn't give potable water, way too much iron in it). I have yet to get a cavity once in my life, yet I'm a bit of a soda addict.
So yeah, if all my teeth are perfectly fine drinking whatever "natural spring" water comes out of that bottle, then the water sources are sure to contain fluoride. That, or my teeth are made of titanium and my brushing habits are good. :v:
[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;40696626]In addition to the mention of natural spring water containing fluoride, I've been stuck on bottled spring water from the store (our faucet doesn't give potable water, way too much iron in it). I have yet to get a cavity once in my life, yet I'm a bit of a soda addict.
So yeah, if all my teeth are perfectly fine drinking whatever "natural spring" water comes out of that bottle, then the water sources are sure to contain fluoride. That, or my teeth are made of titanium and my brushing habits are good. :v:[/QUOTE]
In the US at least just about all bottled water just comes from city water supplies, so chances are it's fluoridated.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40696690]In the US at least just about all bottled water just comes from city water supplies, so chances are it's fluoridated.[/QUOTE]On a side note, bottled water regulations are quite a bit more relaxed than those for tap water.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40695337]Well the water has already been tampered with from its natural state.
You could go fetch water from a stream, but this is considered silly.
Also what's the problem with "pink slime", is it dangerous?[/QUOTE]Processed meat that contains connective tissue as well as the usual meat. Apparently using everything from an animal is considered a bad thing.
[QUOTE=billi999;40694982]Even if it doesn't accumulate like a toxin in the body, that still doesn't change that the source of the flouride is industrial waste. There are numerous sources supporting this that a google search will provide.
Seriously, I don't believe the conspiracy nut claims.
[URL]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation[/URL][/QUOTE]The source is absolutely irrelevant if the end product is clean. Fluorine is fluorine whether it comes from a goat's arse or a hole in the ground.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;40696735]On a side note, bottled water regulations are quite a bit more relaxed than those for tap water.
Processed meat that contains connective tissue as well as the usual meat. Apparently using everything from an animal is considered a bad thing.
The source is absolutely irrelevant if the end product is clean. Fluorine is fluorine whether it comes from a goat's arse or a hole in the ground.[/QUOTE]
It would be a most curious discovery if we found out that all of the fluoride getting added to the water is extracted exclusively from goat asses.
[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;40696626]
So yeah, if all my teeth are perfectly fine drinking whatever "natural spring" water comes out of that bottle, then the water sources are sure to contain fluoride. That, or my teeth are made of titanium and my brushing habits are good. :v:[/QUOTE]
People have varying levels of bacteria in their mouths. Some people simply have a lack of the bacteria that cause cavities and find it exceedingly hard to get them, even with poor oral hygiene. You might just be lucky.
have you guys considered using toothbrushes and toothpaste? I'd say that's better oral hygiene than just drinking some flourinated water.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40695376]Ah, so you buy cylinders of hydrogen and oxygen to specially combust in a chamber to prevent it becoming contaminated?[/QUOTE]
How do you think it would taste?
[QUOTE=Zeneros;40696883]have you guys considered using toothbrushes and toothpaste? I'd say that's better oral hygiene than just drinking some flourinated water.[/QUOTE]
why not have both.
Alot of people support this because of that fear that been going on that our tap water contains unnecessary chemicals that is detrimental to our health, therefor this fluoride chemical is dangerous to people who drink a lot of water. You can't have so much fluoride in your system, did you know that on your toothpaste, it will say something like "do not swallow" on the instructions? That because it contain fluoride in it obviously.
[url]http://truththeory.com/2012/06/27/poison-is-treatment-the-campaign-to-fluoridate-america/[/url]
[url]http://www.fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/[/url]
[url]http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html[/url]
there's tons of information about it.
[QUOTE=darkedone02;40697210]Alot of people support this because of that fear that been going on that our tap water contains unnecessary chemicals that is detrimental to our health, therefor this fluoride chemical is dangerous to people who drink a lot of water. You can't have so much fluoride in your system, did you know that on your toothpaste, it will say something like "do not swallow" on the instructions? That because it contain fluoride in it obviously.
[URL]http://truththeory.com/2012/06/27/poison-is-treatment-the-campaign-to-fluoridate-america/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html[/URL]
there's tons of information about it.[/QUOTE]
None of those websites look credible.
For example, the first site cites a study called "Fluoridated Water Causes Brain Damage in Children" from some other "news" site, and a chain of citing from other sites goes on for a little bit until it leads to a broken link to the second website you listed.
Also, that last website has a "natural healing products" link where they are selling all kinds of expensive quack medical products.
I mean, fuck, look at this shit.
[URL]http://healthequip-store.stores.yahoo.net/ferritesleeve1.html[/URL]
They are selling a sleeve to protect from cell phone radiation.
people like darkedone02 and others have convinced me that we need to fight the real bad man: science and bad chemicals
anyone wanna help me ban dihydrogen monoxide??
[URL]http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/dhmo.htm[/URL]
its reallyt dangerous
source is there, with edu domain which makes it reliable source, it even has the word monoxide...like carbon monoxide!
i have no medical expertise nor knowledge, but im going to say medical terminologies and long vocabularies in order to sound as if i know what im talking about!
I know a guy who genuinely believes that fluoride is in our water to keep us from developing psychic powers.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40697500]people like darkedone02 and others have convinced me that we need to fight the real bad man: science and bad chemicals
anyone wanna help me ban dihydrogen monoxide??
[URL]http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/dhmo.htm[/URL]
its reallyt dangerous
source is there, with edu domain which makes it reliable source, it even has the word monoxide...like carbon monoxide!
i have no medical expertise nor knowledge, but im going to say medical terminologies and long vocabularies in order to sound as if i know what im talking about![/QUOTE]
I know these links that i posted won't be so creditable and filled with scams, that's not the point i'm coming across, the point is the majority of people believes that is it evil, I'm not involved into any of this "for or with fluorine water" stuff as I am not that interested. So you can throw those useless dumb ratings (why the fuck do that exist in the first place!? It is really necessary!?) at them, not on me!
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[QUOTE=Eluveitie;40697656]I know a guy who genuinely believes that fluoride is in our water to keep us from developing psychic powers.[/QUOTE]
I doubt that will give him the gift of the force.
my water at home doesn't have fluoride because we have a well (with pumps, not the old school lever) and my teeth are doing alright because i brush them everyday
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