Calgary ended water fluoridation. Cavities and other health problems are now rapidly rising.
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I love the water down here in Western New York. You guys should come try it.
[QUOTE=Keys;40696020]Hey Bro, I've got this pill that contains very low doses of cyanide in it, our studies indicate that taking very low-dose cyanide could reduce your chances for Diabetes. Don't worry though, it only contains about 15mg of Cyanide per capsule. The average 150lb(70kg) human being would need about 100mg in one dose to keel over. Are you down?
If you're smart, you won't. Because thanks to African cultures eating plants with Cyanide and the use of it during Warfare we now completely understand its effects on the human body. Even a regular low-dose of <12mg of Cyanide can cause problems such as Paralysis, miscarriages, thyroid issues, and more. Flouride hasnt had this history or scrutiny (until now).
Just because it's not 40 or 80mg/L doesn't mean it isn't harmful. Besides, it's just putting a band aid on the problem. It's the sugary foods we eat day in and day out, that are cheaply available to all ages. Less sugar in your foods equates to less cavities. Period. (though total elimination is impossible. Most foods cause plaque and the acids responsible)[/QUOTE]
You know you can overdose on both water and oxygen? You better cut out on both of those completely.
[QUOTE=Keys;40696020]Hey Bro, I've got this pill that contains very low doses of cyanide in it, our studies indicate that taking very low-dose cyanide could reduce your chances for Diabetes. Don't worry though, it only contains about 15mg of Cyanide per capsule. The average 150lb(70kg) human being would need about 100mg in one dose to keel over. Are you down?
If you're smart, you won't. Because thanks to African cultures eating plants with Cyanide and the use of it during Warfare we now completely understand its effects on the human body. Even a regular low-dose of <12mg of Cyanide can cause problems such as Paralysis, miscarriages, thyroid issues, and more. Flouride hasnt had this history or scrutiny (until now).
Just because it's not 40 or 80mg/L doesn't mean it isn't harmful. Besides, it's just putting a band aid on the problem. It's the sugary foods we eat day in and day out, that are cheaply available to all ages. Less sugar in your foods equates to less cavities. Period. (though total elimination is impossible. Most foods cause plaque and the acids responsible)[/QUOTE]
A trace amount of flouride in the water you drink isn't the same as rat hippocampal neurons being fucking incubated in a flouride solution of 20 to 80 milligrams per litre.
[QUOTE=Reshy;40694729]My teeth are like iron, when I was homeless for 8 months I hardly got to brush, yet my teeth had no cavities in that time. Only tarter buildup.[/QUOTE]
I suffered from extreme depression for about 5 years of my life. I'm just now coming back out of it.
When you don't feel anything anymore, things like showering, feeding yourself, brushing your teeth, and drinking water go on the backburner...
Well, since I've gotten back into brushing, I've now noticed I have a huge cavity on my outer right maxillary incisor. The tooth won't make it, I dont think. I've also got a big one in my left backmost mandibular molar.
I never got in the pattern of brushing my teeth when I was a kid and my parents forgot to tell me too sometimes, and nowadays, no matter how much I want to brush my teeth, I just keep forgetting.
[QUOTE=darkedone02;40698360]I know these links that i posted won't be so creditable and filled with scams, that's not the point i'm coming across, the point is the majority of people believes that is it evil, I'm not involved into any of this "for or with fluorine water" stuff as I am not that interested. So you can throw those useless dumb ratings (why the fuck do that exist in the first place!? It is really necessary!?) at them, not on me![/QUOTE]
Did you ever think that the reason some people think fluoride water is evil is because these snake oil salesmen push the idea?
[QUOTE=zakedodead;40696091]Doesn't crest sell toothpaste? buy that and stop whining. Don't medicate my water supply because you can't brush your teeth.[/QUOTE]
medicating the water doesn't hurt you.
not medicating the water can hurt everyone else.
[QUOTE=The golden;40694630]Note: *[B]Bigger[/B]* cavities.
Once a cavity is formed it doesn't take much to make it bigger. This is why they are filled ASAP. If kids actually fucking brushed their teeth properly then they wouldn't have any cavity problems at all.[/QUOTE]
It's also genes too, for example, Latinos tend to get allot less cavities
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40699558]A trace amount of flouride in the water you drink isn't the same as rat hippocampal neurons being fucking incubated in a flouride solution of 20 to 80 milligrams per litre.[/QUOTE]
I will contribute to this conversation that it is bio-accumulative. If you don't know what that means, or how it relates then you don't really understand the arguments presented.
The government shouldn't touch the water. Untreated sewage should come out of the tap and it should be every citizens personal responsibility to treat it themselves.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40702339]I will contribute to this conversation that it is bio-accumulative. If you don't know what that means, or how it relates then you don't really understand the arguments presented.[/QUOTE]
then you can't brush your teeth with most brands of toothpaste.
what are we to do about dental health then?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40702396]then you can't brush your teeth with most brands of toothpaste.
what are we to do about dental health then?[/QUOTE]
Still brush your teeth.... Maybe use some of the root medicines used throughout the eastern world. Just spitballing.
I personally use a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miswak"]Miswak stick[/url] and I haven't had a cavity for two years running now. Though that is just anecdotal.
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[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;40702395]The government shouldn't touch the water. Untreated sewage should come out of the tap and it should be every citizens personal responsibility to treat it themselves.[/QUOTE]
Also a major part of this argument is the philosophic problem of this being a precedent to medicating the water with whatever the government deems neccesary. This can range from an aspirin to some sort of probyotics or who knows what else. The idea that we blanket medicate for a problem as trivial as tooth decay makes one wonder what is stopping them from putting other drugs in the water for more serious reasons.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40702339]I will contribute to this conversation that it is bio-accumulative. If you don't know what that means, or how it relates then you don't really understand the arguments presented.[/QUOTE]
Then this means I can't use toothpaste. If drinking a trace amount of fluoride is bad, then surely coating my teeth in it every day with a thick paste would kill me?
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[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40702440]Still brush your teeth.... Maybe use some of the root medicines used throughout the eastern world. Just spitballing.[/quote]
I prefer to use modern methods to keep my teeth clean.
[quote]Also a major part of this argument is the philosophic problem of this being a precedent to medicating the water with whatever the government deems neccesary. This can range from an aspirin to some sort of probyotics or who knows what else. The idea that we blanket medicate for a problem as trivial as tooth decay makes one wonder what is stopping them from putting other drugs in the water for more serious reasons.[/QUOTE]
This has never happened. Water authorities are already under strict supervision from both public and private watchdogs. If they found something that wasn't announced, it would be national news.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40702440]Still brush your teeth.... Maybe use some of the root medicines used throughout the eastern world. Just spitballing.
I personally use a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miswak"]Miswak stick[/url] and I haven't had a cavity for two years running now. Though that is just anecdotal.[/QUOTE]
or just get a freaking toothbrush and stop being so paranoid
[editline]19th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40702440]Also a major part of this argument is the philosophic problem of this being a precedent to medicating the water with whatever the government deems neccesary. This can range from an aspirin to some sort of probyotics or who knows what else. The idea that we blanket medicate for a problem as trivial as tooth decay makes one wonder what is stopping them from putting other drugs in the water for more serious reasons.[/QUOTE]
look, if America was the kind of place that wanted to put drugs in the water, we wouldn't know about the fluoride. besides, a good chunk of America is already freaking out about something so trivial as dental health, do you really think the government could slip in something for, say, heart disease?
Oh, yeah, so this means that it's no longer possible to evade the consequences of the shitty sugary diet the America's feed their children and call food? So now we actually have to take care of ourselves so we might avoid poisoning children. Oh but that's all paranoia, there's no actual proo-
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html[/url]
The fact that so little actual research has been done on this, and yet the average citizen in the US cannot escape drinking it if they want to. (reverse-osmosis is not something the average citizen can afford, thank you very much)
[QUOTE=theo0001;40703029]Oh, yeah, so this means that it's no longer possible to evade the consequences of the shitty sugary diet the America's feed their children and call food? So now we actually have to take care of ourselves so we might avoid poisoning children. Oh but that's all paranoia, there's no actual proo-
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html[/url]
The fact that so little actual research has been done on this, and yet the average citizen in the US cannot escape drinking it if they want to. (reverse-osmosis is not something the average citizen can afford, thank you very much)[/QUOTE]
The conclusions of that study are not the same as the conclusions of the article
Biggest issue is how the IQ variances between areas with and without fluoride are within the test's margin of error
[QUOTE=deadoon;40696206]That was some of the least indicative sarcasm I've seen in a while.[/QUOTE]
I thought the last sentence would have given it away.
[QUOTE=theo0001;40703029]Oh, yeah, so this means that it's no longer possible to evade the consequences of the shitty sugary diet the America's feed their children and call food? So now we actually have to take care of ourselves so we might avoid poisoning children. Oh but that's all paranoia, there's no actual proo-
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html[/url]
The fact that so little actual research has been done on this, and yet the average citizen in the US cannot escape drinking it if they want to. (reverse-osmosis is not something the average citizen can afford, thank you very much)[/QUOTE]
For fucks sake, this is the same misquoted, sensationalist, bullshit about a paper.
What did the paper find?
"Children with fluoride above what is normally used for water sanitation will have problems".
Wow!
Did you know that most water supplies with added fluoride are below health of the maximum suggested safety cap?
Did you know the studies in China were done in areas with fluoride well above the safety cap?
That it's harmless at the level which it normally is?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40702396]then you can't brush your teeth with most brands of toothpaste.
what are we to do about dental health then?[/QUOTE]
Charcoal and a thick oil like coconut. You can make it in bulk, and it'll actually end up being cheaper. And as far as I have seen, it works better.
[editline]19th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40703180]For fucks sake, this is the same misquoted, sensationalist, bullshit about a paper.
What did the paper find?
"Children with fluoride above what is normally used for water sanitation will have problems".
Wow!
Did you know that most water supplies with added fluoride are below health of the maximum suggested safety cap?
Did you know the studies in China were done in areas with fluoride well above the safety cap?
That it's harmless at the level which it normally is?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40702339]I will contribute to this conversation that it is bio-accumulative. If you don't know what that means, or how it relates then you don't really understand the arguments presented.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=theo0001;40703324]Charcoal and a thick oil like coconut. You can make it in bulk, and it'll actually end up being cheaper. And as far as I have seen, it works better.[/quote]
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What are you even spewing. Charcoal is abrasive and coconut oil makes it toothpasteesque. Are you being paid to be this emotionally charged?
This isn't some kind of zionist-conspiracy theory rocket science...it's just a logical replacement.
[QUOTE=theo0001;40703798]What are you even spewing. Charcoal is abrasive and coconut oil makes it toothpasteesque. Are you being paid to be this emotionally charged?
This isn't some kind of zionist-conspiracy theory rocket science...it's just a logical replacement.[/QUOTE]
Except you're basing it on the idea that poisons are poured in the water supplies.
And toothpaste is somehow bad as well.
Let's stop eating anything that grows from the ground too because of the probability that the plant absorbed fluoride from the ground.
Better stop drinking that tea too , Lots of fluoride in that.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40703851]Except you're basing it on the idea that poisons are poured in the water supplies.
And toothpaste is somehow bad as well.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm basing it around the idea that charcoal toothpaste is a natural alternative that is cheaper, better for your teeth, and tastes better.
On the other hand, yes, I do think that there's something wrong about government's forcing their citizens to consume something that has not been strongly tested by an unbiased party. There is evidence on both sides of the argument, but the argument should be made before, not after, it gets put in my water.
I shouldn't be forced to drink this stuff because kids in these countries subside off of dorritos and sweet tarts and can't leave the damn computer long enough to brush their own goddamn teeth.
[QUOTE=Jdeedler;40703914]Let's stop eating anything that grows from the ground too because of the probability that the plant absorbed fluoride from the ground.
Better stop drinking that tea too , Lots of fluoride in that.[/QUOTE]
you might want to get rid of any tooth enamel you might have, too. for this task i recommend my handy dental pliers, now selling for $29.99 a pair over at nwotruthseekers.com
[QUOTE=theo0001;40703935]No, I'm basing it around the idea that charcoal toothpaste is a natural alternative that is cheaper, better for your teeth, and tastes better.[/quote]
Source?
[quote]On the other hand, yes, I do think that there's something wrong about government's forcing their citizens to consume something that has not been strongly tested by an unbiased party. There is evidence on both sides of the argument, but the argument should be made before, not after, it gets put in my water.[/quote]
It's not like scientific consensus has said it's been safe for the past 60 years,
[quote]I shouldn't be forced to drink this stuff because kids in these countries subside off of dorritos and sweet tarts and can't leave the damn computer long enough to brush their own goddamn teeth.[/QUOTE]
Christ. I could take this post, wrap it around a stick, and have a cutting edge so fine I could cut a human hair lengthways.
[QUOTE=theo0001;40703935]No, I'm basing it around the idea that [b]charcoal[/b] toothpaste is a natural alternative that is cheaper, better for your teeth, and [b]tastes better[/b].
[/QUOTE]
Delicious taste, and you get to grind all of the enamel off your teeth!
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;40704022]Delicious taste, and you get to grind all of the enamel off your teeth!
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And when your teeth fall out, you can glue them to a stick and have a brand new pencil
[QUOTE=Valnar;40701127]Did you ever think that the reason some people think fluoride water is evil is because these snake oil salesmen push the idea?[/QUOTE]
People always react with some form of hostility when it comes down to people who don't know what it is, and reject it completely until they get some short of explanation, the problem with that is people believe in false evidence like the shit that fox news comes up with, and some people who can't think for themselves believes that shit.
[QUOTE=darkedone02;40704443]People always react with some form of hostility when it comes down to people who don't know what it is, and reject it completely until they get some short of explanation, the problem with that is people believe in false evidence like the shit that fox news comes up with, and some people who can't think for themselves believes that shit.[/QUOTE]
Tuberrose, one of the websites you listed as evidence is a fucking scam website.
They spread misinformation about all sorts of health issues in order to sell products that people don't need.
That is what most of this flouride paranoia is about, selling worthless products to people by misinforming them. You get people scared of some sort of problem that doesn't exist and then offer a product that solves that problem. That is what all of these health scams are about.
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