• Calgary ended water fluoridation. Cavities and other health problems are now rapidly rising.
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[QUOTE=Loriborn;40694607]the inclusion of minute trace amounts of flouride in the water supply was one of the greatest modern achievements of oral hygiene why the hell would you get rid of it its like fucking removing indoor plumbing[/QUOTE] because the lady with the tin-hat said that their science was flawed [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] too bad its simple chemistry that fluoride in enamel is tougher than natural enamel, and that fluoride readily binds to damaged enamel and strengthens it
This is ridiculous. I can't even find a good source that wouldn't get shot down for standing to gain money from lauding the benefits of charcoal toothpaste. Oh well. I'm just going to storm away muttering about how fluoride has turned your lobes into toothpaste. Ahh the righteous victory.
[QUOTE=theo0001;40705340]This is ridiculous. I can't even find a good source that wouldn't get shot down for standing to gain money from lauding the benefits of charcoal toothpaste. Oh well.[/quote] I wonder why.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;40694726]You also need to make sure to run the brush under the water for a short period of time. If the brush is dry, they'll know you didn't brush. Not that I would know or anything.[/QUOTE] Also make sure to leave it in a really obvious spot so that they'll notice that you did infact get it out.
[quote="1997 Letter from J. William Hirzy to Jeff Green"]It is our hope that our cosponsorship will have a beneficial effect on the health and welfare of all Californians by helping to keep their drinking water free of a chemical substance for which there is substantial evidence of adverse health effects and, contrary to public perception, virtually no evidence of significant benefits. These judgments are based, in part, on animal studies of the toxicity of fluoride coupled with the human epidemiology studies which corroborate them, and the studies of rates of decayed, missing and filled teeth in the United States (fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities) versus non-fluoridated European countries. Our members review of the body of evidence over the last eleven years, including animal and human epidemiology studies, indicate a causal link between fluoride/fluoridation and cancer, genetic damage, neurological impairment and bone pathology. Of particular concern are recent epidemiology studies linking fluoride exposures to lower I.Q. in children.[/quote] [url="http://www.epw.senate.gov/107th/hir_0629.htm"]Senate Statement[/url]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40702339]I will contribute to this conversation that it is bio-accumulative. If you don't know what that means, or how it relates then you don't really understand the arguments presented.[/QUOTE] Except, because your body actually uses fluorides to help prevent ongoing tooth decay, as well as excrete it as does other chemicals, it's easy to set a daily dosage far below any level of intake that would cause bioaccumulation. You can kill yourself by ingesting anything at a rate faster than the body can process and dispose of it, such as (has as already been pointed out) water.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;40706005]Except, because your body actually uses fluorides to help prevent ongoing tooth decay, as well as excrete it as does other chemicals, it's easy to set a daily dosage far below any level of intake that would cause bioaccumulation. You can kill yourself by ingesting anything at a rate faster than the body can process and dispose of it, such as (has as already been pointed out) water.[/QUOTE] Except [quote]The inhalation of hydrogen fluoride results in increased blood fluoride concentrations and the systemic transport of fluoride. The majority of fluoride is present in the plasma with the remaining associated with red blood cells. About half the serum concentration of fluoride is nonionic as a result of binding to organic molecules (ECB, 2001). Free fluoride (unbound) primarily exists as fluoride ion (F-) at physiological pH (ECB, 2001). The fate or effects of absorbed inorganic fluoride are not affected by the source of fluoride (e.g., hydrogen fluoride, sodium fluoride) (Thiessen, cited in ECB, 2001). Fluoride is distributed throughout soft tissues with approximately half of the absorbed fluoride ion accumulated by the bone structure (ECB, 2001) and the remaining concentrated in the thyroid, aorta, and perhaps the kidney (Hardman et al. cited in HSDB, 2005). Fluoride is taken up and stored in the bone matrix (bone and teeth) due to its similarity in size and charge with the hydroxyl ion (OH-) which results in the displacement of OH- (and possibly the bicarbonate ion HCO3-) in the hydroxyapatite lattice matrix of bone mineral and the formation of hydroxyfluorapatite (Klaassen, 2001; ATSDR, 2003). The degree to which fluoride is stored in the skeleton is related to both intake and age (Hardman et al. cited in HSDB, 2005)[/quote] [url]http://environment.gov.ab.ca/info/library/8026.pdf[/url] also "According to “Clinical Toxicology of Commercial products,” 5th Edition, 1984, lead is given a toxicity rating of 3 to 4, and fluoride is rated at 4 (3 = moderately toxic, 4 = very toxic). On December 7, 1992, the new EPA Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for lead was set at 0.015 ppm, with a goal of 0.0ppm. The MCL for fluoride is currently set for 4.0 ppm – that’s over 250 times the permissible level of lead." [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] ALSO [url]http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/DRI/DRI_Calcium/288-313.pdf[/url] [quote]The fractional retention or balance of fluoride at any age depends on the quantitative features of absorption and excretion. For healthy, young, or middle-aged adults, approximately 50 percent of absorbed fluoride is retained by uptake in calcified tissues, and 50 percent is excreted in the urine. For young children, as much as 80 percent can be retained owing to increased uptake by the developing skeleton and teeth (Ekstrand et al., 1994a, b). Such data are not available for persons in the later years of life, but based on bone mineral dynamics, it is likely that the fraction excreted is greater than the fraction retained.[/quote] [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] More importantly to clearly outline: [quote=Camundongo;40706005]Except, because your body actually uses fluorides to help prevent ongoing tooth decay, as well as [b]excrete it as does other chemicals[/b][/quote] [quote]Fifty percent of orally ingested fluoride is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract after approximately 30 minutes. In the absence of high dietary concentrations of calcium and certain other cations with which fluoride may form insoluble and poorly absorbed compounds, 80 percent or more is typically absorbed. Body fluid and tissue fluoride concentrations are proportional to the long-term level of intake; they are [b]not homeostatically regulated[/b] (Guy, 1979).[/quote]
[QUOTE=theo0001;40705340]This is ridiculous. I can't even find a good source that wouldn't get shot down for standing to gain money from lauding the benefits of charcoal toothpaste. Oh well. I'm just going to storm away muttering about how fluoride has turned your lobes into toothpaste. Ahh the righteous victory.[/QUOTE] Also why not use baking soda instead of charcoal, it's flavourless
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40706168]Except [URL]http://environment.gov.ab.ca/info/library/8026.pdf[/URL] also "According to “Clinical Toxicology of Commercial products,” 5th Edition, 1984, lead is given a toxicity rating of 3 to 4, and fluoride is rated at 4 (3 = moderately toxic, 4 = very toxic). On December 7, 1992, the new EPA Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for lead was set at 0.015 ppm, with a goal of 0.0ppm. The MCL for fluoride is currently set for 4.0 ppm – that’s over 250 times the permissible level of lead." [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] ALSO [URL]http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/DRI/DRI_Calcium/288-313.pdf[/URL] [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] More importantly to clearly outline:[/QUOTE] You do realize that hydrogen fluoride isn't a type of fluoride that is put into water right? Here is a fact sheet from the CDC on the types of fluoride additives. [URL]http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/fact_sheets/engineering/wfadditives.htm#1[/URL] Also what is the context for this "toxicity rating"?
I don't need teeth to wear my tin foil hat.
[QUOTE=theo0001;40703935]No, I'm basing it around the idea that charcoal toothpaste is a natural alternative that is cheaper, better for your teeth, and tastes better. On the other hand, yes, I do think that there's something wrong about government's forcing their citizens to consume something that has not been strongly tested by an unbiased party. There is evidence on both sides of the argument, but the argument should be made before, not after, it gets put in my water. I shouldn't be forced to drink this stuff because kids in these countries subside off of dorritos and sweet tarts and can't leave the damn computer long enough to brush their own goddamn teeth.[/QUOTE] "Natural" does not = better working. charcoal is at best an alternative in a survival situation, not a substitute. you aren't a dentist holy shit that just sounds mad [QUOTE=theo0001;40705340]This is ridiculous. I can't even find a good source that wouldn't get shot down for standing to gain money from lauding the benefits of charcoal toothpaste. Oh well. I'm just going to storm away muttering about how fluoride has turned your lobes into toothpaste. Ahh the righteous victory.[/QUOTE] oh he stopped nvm thank god
[QUOTE=Valnar;40708539]You do realize that hydrogen fluoride isn't a type of fluoride that is put into water right? Here is a fact sheet from the CDC on the types of fluoride additives. [URL]http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/fact_sheets/engineering/wfadditives.htm#1[/URL] Also what is the context for this "toxicity rating"?[/QUOTE] pretty sure hydrogen fluoride was what dissolved through the bathtub in the first series of breaking bad, i really doubt they add it to water [editline]20th May 2013[/editline] that made it look like i was contradicting you, sorry, i wasnt. i was agreeing with you, contradicting zenreon
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