• U.S. approves $1.15 billion sale of 130+ tanks, other equipment to Saudi Arabia
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[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50859297]More military material for ISIS and other islamic radicals sponsored by Saudi Arabia![/QUOTE] More shells to drop on Yemeni towns and food stores.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50855849]This. You guys see pictures of Dubai, right, in the UAE? Those glittering skyscrapers and green streets like an oasis in a desert? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XRXoyyy.jpg[/IMG] Slave labour.[/QUOTE] Slave labour tends to do that... sparkle visibly, but rot under the covers... I fully expect a rebellion or civil war to happen between now and 15 years in saudi arabia. there is some serious discontentment boiling up recently. The problem is the religious nutters are kept pretty happy and the secular body that is basically the working horse of their economy is... secular... and they tend to not quickly want to give their lives for a belief or idea, including the idea of democracy when stuff like hillary clintons emails happens. Im so dissapointed with the west these last 20 years its incredible... for a couple decades we had something good doing, a shining beacon of good intentions and self improvement but now democracy again gets hollowed out or stagnated to a standstill. Worst part is it could very well be worse and be a popping of the bubble of public perception, as in the west always was like this...
[QUOTE=GunFox;50856041][url]http://www.state.gov/j/tip/rls/tiprpt/2008/105389.htm[/url] Human trafficking in Saudi Arabia is well known. Saudi Arabia also spawned Wahhabism, which in turned spawned ISIS. Why we work with theocracies, I have no idea. We shouldn't trade or engage in any form of negotiation with Saudi Arabia.[/QUOTE] Technically SA is an absolute monarchy (the last one in existence, thankfully), not a theocracy. As for why we deal with them, it's a relationship we inherited from the UK, same as Egypt and Israel.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50859313]Slave labour tends to do that... sparkle visibly, but rot under the covers... I fully expect a rebellion or civil war to happen between now and 15 years in saudi arabia. there is some serious discontentment boiling up recently. The problem is the religious nutters are kept pretty happy and the secular body that is basically the working horse of their economy is... secular... and they tend to not quickly want to give their lives for a belief or idea, including the idea of democracy when stuff like hillary clintons emails happens. Im so dissapointed with the west these last 20 years its incredible... for a couple decades we had something good doing, a shining beacon of good intentions and self improvement but now democracy again gets hollowed out or stagnated to a standstill. Worst part is it could very well be worse and be a popping of the bubble of public perception, as in the west always was like this...[/QUOTE] you dont even live here and your saying this lmao things are already changing for the better, there is no 'revolution' boiling up, there isnt a bunch o people protesting on the streets because things are changing. our kings have been becoming more liberal in fact. [editline]10th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=coldroll5;50858935]Hope your using a VPN the Saudi Arabian government might have you killed.[/QUOTE] no, not really. people dont get killed for making jokes, contrary to popular belief. sure, if your constantly blogging hate posts against the government, you'll get arrested, but hey; we aren't the only ones who do it eg china in fact, if you look at amnesty international, china executes far more people then us, they have lots of unpayed labor, they block sites, and they do all this in far greater numbers.
[QUOTE=Maadz;50859655]you dont even live here and your saying this lmao things are already changing for the better, there is no 'revolution' boiling up, there isnt a bunch o people protesting on the streets because things are changing. our kings have been becoming more liberal in fact. [editline]10th August 2016[/editline] [b]no, not really. people dont get killed for making jokes, contrary to popular belief. sure, if your constantly blogging hate posts against the government, you'll get arrested, but hey; we aren't the only ones who do it eg china in fact, if you look at amnesty international, china executes far more people then us, they have lots of unpayed labor, they block sites, and they do all this in far greater numbers.[/b][/QUOTE] Doing something like exceuting people or unpaid labour more often or less doesn't justify making it. I don't care if China does it way more often. It's proved that SA does it, and that's more than enough.
[QUOTE=Maadz;50859655]you dont even live here and your saying this lmao things are already changing for the better, there is no 'revolution' boiling up, there isnt a bunch o people protesting on the streets because things are changing. our kings have been becoming more liberal in fact. [editline]10th August 2016[/editline] no, not really. people dont get killed for making jokes, contrary to popular belief. sure, if your constantly blogging hate posts against the government, you'll get arrested, but hey; we aren't the only ones who do it eg china in fact, if you look at amnesty international, china executes far more people then us, they have lots of unpayed labor, they block sites, and they do all this in far greater numbers.[/QUOTE] Why does China doing something more, less, or at all change what SA does? It's deflection and justification for something that is unacceptable no matter who is doing it
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;50860244]Why does China doing something more, less, or at all change what SA does? It's deflection and justification for something that is unacceptable no matter who is doing it[/QUOTE] true, but everybody hates us way way way more. anyway, if anyone got any more questions, PM me.
Thank God we're giving a fuck ton of tanks to an inept military.
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;50860304]Thank God we're giving a fuck ton of tanks to an inept military.[/QUOTE] So Yemen is getting free tanks soon?
I hate Saudi Arabia too, but realistically if we want to have any influence and power over the Middle East we need to ally ourselves with them. Additionally, there is some evidence that engagement with countries like Saudi Arabia and behind the scenes action (rather than usually counter productive big public denunciations and fusses) are effective at modifying and improving behaviour, in contrast to non-engagement. Ultimately, it isn't feasible in foreign policy terms to end our reliance on Saudi Arabia over human rights, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50859287]Lets sell tanks to the guys most likely to have funded most of the 9/11 attacks. Good plan[/QUOTE] They day they fly a tank into another building is the day I will give this comment any type of legitimacy. The US funds terrorists too, you know. It all comes full circle.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;50863254]They day they fly a tank into another building is the day I will give this comment any type of legitimacy. The US funds terrorists too, you know. It all comes full circle.[/QUOTE] While it does show that all hands are dirty, this isn't really a zero sum game. If everyone hurts one another because "the other guy is doing it too" that doesn't qualify it as ethical to do that. While I'm not really proud of what some of what the US has done (or a lot of it), that idea applies to just about every country on Earth, in that it is a fool's errand to deflect the "badness" of one's actions by comparing them to another. Additionally, I would personally like to know why people believe that the US is interested in the oil in the Middle East, as far as I know the US is an exporter of petroleum, and the small number of any foreign imports primarily come from Canada. It still makes sense to have an interest in the ME, mainly due to military might and power projection (bases and supply depots), but oil?
[QUOTE=archangel125;50855780]I believe India's got over 300 Russian T-90s, though.[/QUOTE] It's a shame the Arjun is such a [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjun_(tank)#Trials_and_exercise"]piece of shit.[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/r7BguYO.png[/IMG] [img]http://i.imgur.com/ugah3d0.png[/img] Oh India
why USA support more countries with fanatical ideology and religions... ? because money not logic it's really sad, I hope one day the US gov finally realize the mistake they repeating
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50863245]I hate Saudi Arabia too, but realistically if we want to have any influence and power over the Middle East we need to ally ourselves with them. Additionally, there is some evidence that engagement with countries like Saudi Arabia and behind the scenes action (rather than usually counter productive big public denunciations and fusses) are effective at modifying and improving behaviour, in contrast to non-engagement. Ultimately, it isn't feasible in foreign policy terms to end our reliance on Saudi Arabia over human rights, unfortunately.[/QUOTE] 2 pragmatic 4 me Real politik is one thing but Yemen is a a famine factory atm soon they'll become a major contributor to the flow of refugees seeking safety/security/life in europe. IMO we can still align with Saudis (I guess we have to) while telling them to stop their shit, same goes for Turkey. IMO selling weapons to them to use against civilians and enforce their theocracy through threat of violence using our guns, is far too profitable for us to stop. I think we should stop but I'd probably also whine about the loss of jobs and revenue if we stopped being a mass exporter of weapons to shady ass regimes. [tinfoilhat]We (the west) have to remain aligned with Saudis for geopolitical reasons and also the Saudis trading oil in dollars along with others is giving the dollar stability essentially propping up the American economy and making their debt affordable[/tinfoilhat]
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