Why the fuck do you idiots think you can wrestle with a hostile, vicious dog.
You would be retarded to do that with a medium sized dog like a Labrador/Rottweiler/Sheppard, and we also have much bigger too. Take for instance my dog.
[url]http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/dogbreeds/photos-AB/americanbulldogsf2.jpg[/url]
*Not an actual picture of my dog, but a picture of his breed, he's an American bulldog.*
If you don't have it in the back of your mind that a dog can snap and might have the possibility of taking on people you don't want it to try and take on, you will lead to someones injury. I have to put my dog outside when I have one friend over because for some reason, my dog smells him then goes batshit wanting to eat him. But every other time he's just a gigantic bunny in a dog costume.
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[QUOTE=false prophet;48017921]Cops suck. They are literally given the power over life and death all in the name of authority. They are spoon fed power trip from a can.[/QUOTE]
Quit this. A dog was charging someone, and that someone happened to be a police officer, so he decided to take matters into his own hands and try to shoot it. It's not like he walked up to the gate, noticed the dog and didn't like it's presence so he shot it.
I wonder about the statistics. What's the likelyhood of a random domesticated animal trying to tear your throat out, verses how often they are killed on suspicion of being dangerous, and also the likelyhood of a police offer "defending" themselves hurting a bystander.
Also how often police kill leashed animals in homes for shits and giggles. We know it happens, i've seen multiple videos of that shit, but how often is somewhat important.
That's disappointing.
Where did the "pig cops shoot dogs for fun" meme come from?
Also keep in mind a shooting you don't understand for whatever reason doesn't count as "for fun"
[QUOTE=false prophet;48017921]Cops suck. They are literally given the power over life and death all in the name of authority. They are spoon fed power trip from a can.
They should be forced to take a bullet somewhere like they do with tasers and pepper spray before they're issued one. It might make them think twice before blowing some poor soul away.[/QUOTE]
You may not know this but the majority of cops aren't power tripping assholes or thugs in uniform. I'd be careful about making generalizations, and especially so about making a statement that indirectly wishes harm on them just because 'all police r assholes' :downs:
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48016008]Well the kid is going to make a full physical recovery and at that age is likely to make a decent mental recovery, the dog, officer, and women weren't injured at all. As for whether or not anyone did something wrong, I do agree, the officer should have kept his cool and gotten a better look at the situation before firing, but considering he was running over to someone screaming for help it's reasonable to assume that he was in an adrenaline rush state and at the time lacked the control to do such. Should something be done to ensure that he either is not allowed into such a situation again or that he will handle them better? Definitely, but did he intentionally cause this outcome in a reasonably stable state of mind? No.[/QUOTE]
I get your point on him having an adrenaline rush but I\WE pay them to get training so they can be better then that and if they can't meet that expectation then they find new work. The state of mind of an officer should be tht of a hero and not a neurotic chihuahua.
Tl;dr version
Out standards of what's acceptable have slipped to the point where there is no distinguishable difference between the bravery of schmuck #3 off the street and the practical mind set of what used to be the officers who would risk a mauling to save you, your child and much more.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;48017513]lol walk into my grandmas house with that mentality and get shredded by a rottweiler.[/QUOTE]
Lol ya, get it put down.
Domestic dogs aren't supposed to attack people, if it cant handle people and you cant control it then you shouldn't have a dog.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48018111]Why the fuck do you idiots think you can wrestle with a hostile, vicious dog.
You would be retarded to do that with a medium sized dog like a Labrador/Rottweiler/Sheppard, and we also have much bigger too. Take for instance my dog.
[url]http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/dogbreeds/photos-AB/americanbulldogsf2.jpg[/url]
*Not an actual picture of my dog, but a picture of his breed, he's an American bulldog.*
If you don't have it in the back of your mind that a dog can snap and might have the possibility of taking on people you don't want it to try and take on, you will lead to someones injury. I have to put my dog outside when I have one friend over because for some reason, my dog smells him then goes batshit wanting to eat him. But every other time he's just a gigantic bunny in a dog costume.
[editline]21st June 2015[/editline]
Quit this. A dog was charging someone, and that someone happened to be a police officer, so he decided to take matters into his own hands and try to shoot it. It's not like he walked up to the gate, noticed the dog and didn't like it's presence so he shot it.[/QUOTE]
The part your missing/skipping is that this officer felt it proper to discharge his gun before knowing who was in it. This dog wasn't going serpentine as this cop let off shot and shot, the dog came at him (which [b]is[/b] reason for the dog to be shot :[ ) But what concerns me most is that this cop. For whatever his reason (gun ho, scared, straight up dick) he broke the tenant rule of being a cop so he could continue doing his job that moment.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48016819]To be fair, cops shoot dogs for no reason all of the time. [/QUOTE]
It's true, I live 3 blocks away from a police station and I'm already on my fourth dog this year.
[QUOTE=der_crow;48018603]The part your missing/skipping is that this officer felt it proper to discharge his gun before knowing who was in it. This dog wasn't going serpentine as this cop let off shot and shot, the dog came at him (which [b]is[/b] reason for the dog to be shot :[ ) But what concerns me most is that this cop. For whatever his reason (gun ho, scared, straight up dick) he broke the tenant rule of being a cop so he could continue doing his job that moment.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM[/QUOTE]
Well what else are you going to do? Pepper/CS spray the dog? Baton? Stun gun/taser?
Get over yourself for a second, you'd use a gun too, it's just really really unfortunate a 4 year old was injured in the cross fire, but in all seriousness it could have been worse.
I side with the cop on this one. If you invite anyone over to your house for any reason, you have to warn them about any animals AND secure any dogs. Otherwise you are you are to blame for any attack. If the cop was told about the dog, and the dog was leashed or penned up, the cop would have no reason to shoot at the dog. Even a small dog can bite. No one, not even cops, should feel obligated to let a dog bite them. Therefore, the breed and size of your dog is irrelevant.
So if the owner didn't secure the dog, and the dog walks toward the cop, yeah shoot it. If the owner was taking care of business that dog wouldn't be wandering around freely.
[QUOTE=Megadave;48017622]go to fucking hell, a cop shot a fucking kid and you have the goddamn balls to blame the owner for not keeping the dog calm? Don't tell me that's not what you are doing because that is exactly what you are doing.
fine, I'm dumb because I'm not blaming the victim. go fuck yourself. I'm not catering to those who get off on victim blaming.
fyi for the dense bitches, I don't blame the cop, but it's idiocracy to blame the fucking victim
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The real victim here is the kid, and if you can point out where I said it's a 4 year-old kid's fault that she was shot in the leg by a police officer, please quote me on it. It's the kid's parent's fault that they didn't train their dog properly or have it restrained when they called a police officer over to their home and wanted them to go inside. If they would've kept the dog calm, the dog never would've charged the cop, and the cop never would've drawn his weapon to protect himself. If that is victim blaming, then I guess I'm guilty as charged.
Sure the cop overreacted to the situation, but in the heat of the moment self preservation kicks in and you don't think you just act. Like when I was attacked by a neighbor's german shepard that got out of their yard, my first instinct was to run but if I had been armed I probably would've done the same thing the officer did because that dog had a history of trying to attack people. Does that make it right? No, in fact he was in the wrong since he fired his weapon into a house with unknown occupants without thinking of their safety, but it's not like the officer went into the house thinking "I'm going to shoot a dog today".
People are so quick to hate on cops when they don't even care to read what happened.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;48018412]Where did the "pig cops shoot dogs for fun" meme come from?[/QUOTE]
It comes from the high number of dogs killed by Police or SWAT teams, because random dogs are unpredictable if you don't know them, so rather the high possibility of mauled to death a lot of cops shoot instead. It's terrible but there isn't really any other way you can safely neutralise a dog for extended periods of time.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;48015970] Legit question, it's in the news so often.[/QUOTE]
no it's really fucking not a legit question
maybe for stupid people it is
"Killed on suspicion" is a pretty inappropriate term. What is this, TTT? Does the dog need to take a chunk out of me before I kill it? Sorry bud, going home alive and in one piece is job one and anything that comes between that and me is toast.
I patrol in communities with dogs all the time, they're everywhere. I'm not going to shoot every dog that approaches me (which happens all the time, on leash or not.) I've had dogs run up to me at a decent clip and just stop to sniff my boots. They're still alive, let me assure you.
When I say objective symptoms of being aggressive, I'm talking teeth bared, aggressive, territorial warning or attack barks, head low to the ground, stuff that you're trained to recognize as alerts dogs give when they are going to attack.
It's not fucking hard to perceive if a dog may be dangerous or not. If I am approached by a dog that's communicating to me it's going to be dangerous, I am removing that threat. That's all there is to it.
No matter how many people on an internet forum/internet et al tell me what a monster I am for defending my own life (and potentially the lives of those around me) by not serving as a sacrificial test dummy for a dog's lethality coefficient, it's not going to happen, and I can assure you any competent law enforcement entity will tell you the exact same thing.
[QUOTE=Iago;48015873]Our police officers should stop flinching with every tiny hint of trouble. Gunfire is meant as a last resort not a first hand solution whenever a pussy cop gets scared or hears a scary noise.[/QUOTE]
Should of just kicked the dog in the nose if it was vicious.
[QUOTE=Sonador;48016365]Ever seen a dog on the 4th of July? Loud noises, explosions specifically, horrify them. It likely hid.[/QUOTE]
But that's an example of an animal in a passive state which can't actively engage a perceived threat.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48016460]it's a gunshot inside a house, of course the dog is going to run off[/QUOTE]
Try to deter a charging deer, wild hog, or bear with nothing but blank rounds and tell me how that works out for you. If an aggressive animal is charging towards you and committing to an attack, there are relatively few things that are really going to stop it in its tracks.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;48021273]Try to deter a charging deer, wild hog, or bear with nothing but blank rounds and tell me how that works out for you. If an aggressive animal is charging towards you and committing to an attack, there are relatively few things that are really going to stop it in its tracks.[/QUOTE]
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Clearly because one man scared a bear off by charging at it once, all bears will be scared the same way!
dogs did 9/11
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[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48021747]Clearly because one man scared a bear off by charging at it once, all bears will be scared the same way![/QUOTE]
no not all bears are going to be scared in that specific way but "making loud noises" is the recommended course of action against wild animals for a reason- but even then, a domestic dog is not a bear, and a gunshot is much louder than a guy 'roaring' so it shouldn't be hard to believe that the gunshot scared the dog away
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48022302]no not all bears are going to be scared in that specific way but "making loud noises" is the recommended course of action against wild animals for a reason- but even then, a domestic dog is not a bear, and a gunshot is much louder than a guy 'roaring' so it shouldn't be hard to believe that the gunshot scared the dog away[/QUOTE]
Making loud noises isn't even recommended against all bears, or even the same kind of bear depending on the situation. If that bear had been a mother bear with cubs, that man would be fucking dead. And a domestic dog certainly isn't a bear, in that it's not a wild animal, and thus typically much less afraid of humans or loud noises.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48022376]And a domestic dog is typically much less afraid of loud noises.[/QUOTE]
idk what kind of dogs you've had but every single one i've seen during a fireworks celebration/thunderstorm was very visibly scared
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48022404]idk what kind of dogs you've had but every single one i've seen during a fireworks celebration/thunderstorm was very visibly scared[/QUOTE]
They're still less likely to be scared off than a wild animal would, not that it matters, since scaring them is just as likely to make them more aggressive.
that's not even the point though, the point is that the guy saying "oh the dog didn't maul him afterwards, this is clear, irrefutable proof that he was not charging him" is wrong
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48022404]idk what kind of dogs you've had but every single one i've seen during a fireworks celebration/thunderstorm was very visibly scared[/QUOTE]
Not every animal is the same. My grandma's chihuahua is scared shitless of thunder storms. My staffordshire terrier could give a fuck less though.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48022302]no not all bears are going to be scared in that specific way but "making loud noises" is the recommended course of action against wild animals for a reason- but even then, a domestic dog is not a bear, and a gunshot is much louder than a guy 'roaring' so it shouldn't be hard to believe that the gunshot scared the dog away[/QUOTE]
Making loud noises only really works at longer ranges because most wild animals try to avoid confrontations with humans
at closer ranges they are more likely to charge at you in panic
an honest question: if i, as an american citizen, were invited into someone else's house while legally carrying a gun, and that person had a dog which suddenly came charging at me, would i be able to claim self defense if i shot at it? to add to that, if i accidentally hit a bystander, would i still be legally in the right?
The bottom line for the relevancy in this thread is that information regarding the actions of the dog after the shot are simply not present. Nobody here can tell you what happened, so it's pointless to debate.
[editline]21st June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheHydra;48022883]an honest question: if i, as an american citizen, were invited into someone else's house while legally carrying a gun, and that person had a dog which suddenly came charging at me, would i be able to claim self defense if i shot at it? to add to that, if i accidentally hit a bystander, would i still be legally in the right?[/QUOTE]
Criminally or civilly? Also, it really depends on the circumstances and how you'd articulate it.
In the perfect scenario, in which you could reasonably dictate that you were in fear of life, you're legally sound criminally in both cases, a police officer can't tell you that you should have been mauled or died just to save a bystander from getting shot.
Civilly, though, your bystander could sue you, and per ponderance of the evidence, may win. It again depends on the circumstances.
Funfact: As a private officer, I'm governed by the exact same laws you are as a private citizen, so anything I've said that applies to me, applies to you.
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