Donald Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is 'Settled' Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51366861]Half of you are either fools or fearmongers. "I'll believe it in four years." No, yeah, because the President can just, at will, overturn decisions made by the Supreme Court. Ok.[/QUOTE] Read this before shitting on LGBT people who are genuinely scared of a Trump Pence ticket. Watch the video if you need to. [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/03/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-donald-trump-wants-undo-marri/[/url] Trump: - Made Mike Pence, a Governor who used taxpayer money to fund gay conversion therapy, your running mate. - Has repeatedly said that he is for traditional marriage - Has said he wants to make gay marriage the state's decision - Has said he would appoint Supreme Court Justices that would reverse the ruling. Even after knowing all this, if you still believe that LGBT folk have nothing to fear, then you have some serious empathy issues.

First we're told not to believe what he says in interviews and on twitter and on the air and on his website, now we're told to believe it verbatim. k.

Let's see what happens when he's in the white house, because I'm pretty sure his VP Pence is still heavily against gay marriage.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51366949]I think what's "common sense" is going about your fucking life instead of sitting around complaining about the outcome of an election, trying to instill fear in people by speculating over the actions a man may or may not take months in advance.[/QUOTE] Yeah I dunno why people would complain about a habitual liar winning an election based on bigoted ideals. [QUOTE]All the while people are massively overestimating the power of the President in comparison to both Congress and the Supreme Court. I can ~possibly~ see some sort of reason seeing all three are soon to come under Republican control, but there are a large number of Republicans who are simply conservatives as opposed to being far-right bible-thumping fools. Although the media and the popular opinion on this forum will tell you that Republicans are all blithering idiots who want to oppress everyone and anyone that isn't a straight white male.[/QUOTE] People are worried about the future leader of their country being inconsistent, seemingly only interested in keeping out people he doesn't like, and electing a VP who is disgustingly anti-lgbt, and the party he represented sounds to have total control. I don't know what's going to happen, I'm not going to pretend to know what's going to happen. All of these are reasons to be worried. [QUOTE]When there are riots in the streets and protests and daily assaults over whether or not a candidate will allow a fucking SLIVER of the population to use the fucking bathroom for the gender they identify as, then yes, I'll call it fearmongering.[/QUOTE] This is what the riots are about is it? Bathrooms? Whatever you say lol. [QUOTE]"Why wouldn't people be worried about that?" What are they going to do? The election is over? Do you get on an airplane and have a panic attack because airplanes have been hijacked before? Do you shutter in terror when you turn the ignition on your car because you could die in an accident?[/QUOTE] Are these comparable to what the leader of a country can do or was this some kind of zinger or something. I don't live a life in terror because I could get an infected hair, but I do worry when someone is elected to lead a country and appears to have no idea what they are doing. The most powerful country on Earth will be lead by him, and yet he seems to change his ideals entirely almost hourly. Yeah I think people are properly worried when the future is terribly uncertain.

[QUOTE=Govna;51366944]It's foolish to trust a man who has repeatedly lied to us, the entire country, again and again. His word means fucking nothing, and not being prepared for the distinct possibility that he will try to trample on the rights of others is grade-A retardation. His VP is staunchly against LGBT rights and always has been, his transition team is made up of people who are guilty of everything from discriminating against the LGBT community to climate change denial. [editline]14 November 2016[/editline] Do not trust Trump. He's a proven liar. Do not trust people who say that there's nothing to worry about either. They're either supporters of his and have obvious motivations for defending him, or they just genuinely don't know any better than to trust a liar. Or they just want to appear oh-so "enlightened" over everybody else and act like they know something that we don't. Whatever the case, their mentality is wrong.[/QUOTE] Good job at making blind assumptions about people just because they think differently than you. This fear mongering combined with the constant dogging on people with different political ideologies is the reason why Hillary lost. What makes you think your opinions are so much more valuable than the opinions of anyone else?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51366810]So what happened to all the doomsaying that made it seem like Trump/Pence would set up gulags for gay people?[/QUOTE] He would most likely have an extremely difficult time changing a decision of the Supreme court, but that doesn't mean his administration can't push indirect methods like "religious freedom" legislation that protects discrimination. See also: [QUOTE=Tomo Takino;51366817]"Untrustworthy man says thing, people believe him" After the 4 years go by and no ones rights have been trampled on, then I'll believe it.[/QUOTE]

But...wHAT ABOUT MY ROAMING ANTI-QUEER DEATH SQUADS?! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Pascall))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;51366817]"Untrustworthy man says thing, people believe him" After the 4 years go by and no ones rights have been trampled on, then I'll believe it.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias[/url] Find me one instance wher he says "yeah i don't like gays", just one. All through the election cycle he was saying "we have to support gays and minorities", and it was his opposition that characterized him as the oppressive antagonist of all that is good. Challenge your assumptions.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51366993][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias[/url] Find me one instance wher he says "yeah i don't like gays", just one. All through the election cycle he was saying "we have to support gays and minorities", and it was his opposition that characterized him as the oppressive antagonist of all that is good. Challenge your assumptions.[/QUOTE] I said he didn't like gays did I? Funnily enough I don't see where I did. As pointed out countless times, having a staunchly anti-gay VP makes him seem untrustworthy on the issue. Why should I believe what he is saying now about gay marriage when his right hand man would rather see gay people forced through a sort of 'treatment'? What reason is there to trust him exactly? People can keep forcing this weird 'Oh he made him VP because it's a powerless role' but that doesn't make me suddenly think he is some sort of superhero for gay rights.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51366993][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias[/url] Find me one instance wher he says "yeah i don't like gays", just one. All through the election cycle he was saying "we have to support gays and minorities", and it was his opposition that characterized him as the oppressive antagonist of all that is good. Challenge your assumptions.[/QUOTE] Literally already posted in the thread: [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/03/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-donald-trump-wants-undo-marri/[/url] Feat. video of the Teflon Don himself.

Glad to see the non-issue is still a non-issue. GG Facepunch, overreacting as usual when it's literally nothing.

Another interesting thing Trump said was that he wasn't going to accept the presidents salary, as in he refuses to take any payment for being president.

[QUOTE=Komodoh;51367012]Glad to see the non-issue is still a non-issue. GG Facepunch, overreacting as usual when it's literally nothing.[/QUOTE] You can claim anything is a non-issue when the man contradicts himself daily.

Nobody's saying that they're going to make nationwide gulags. With Trump indifferent to the issue, Pence passionately appealing to the religious right, and 3 levels of government controlled by traditional Republicans, there's nothing standing in the way of more conversion camps popping up in red states. Churches have always acted on their own volition, but for the last 8 years there's been progressives on the Executive level to block them off. There wouldn't be a government-sponsored gay therapy push, but Trump's crew certainly wouldn't fight [i]against[/i] the interests of their largest voterbase (the religious right) to protect the groups that voted against them. Trump saying "the law is settled" is indifference, and indifference is the Republican party's sentiment at its' best - worst would be endorsement of a conversion group, either scenario meaning [i]nobody[/i] will push back on things like shock therapy or efforts to remove LGBT discrimination laws. Why would they? A few of them support that outright. The people living in red states, prone to all that happening, are the ones who have something to fear. Probably the ones you've seen crying and dismissed with "they can't handle that they lost".

I find it incredibly hypocritical that people are blaming the liberals for Trump for not properly arguing with Trump supporters when there are people in this thread who are spewing anti-gay deathsquad memes, insults, and not even providing an actual argument other than "IT'S STUPID".

[QUOTE=Komodoh;51367012]Glad to see the non-issue is still a non-issue. GG Facepunch, overreacting as usual when it's literally nothing.[/QUOTE] Do people still carry this weirdo delusion that a man who has been in the White House for several hours to be shown where the toilets are and to chat to Obama has suddenly set in stone the entirety of his time in the top seat in the first few days as 'President-Elect'?

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51367017]You can claim anything is a non-issue when the man contradicts himself daily.[/QUOTE] As long as we put a wall on the border everything will be fine

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51367029]As long as we put a wall on the border everything will be fine[/QUOTE] We're gonna install an Invisible Fence® and Mexico is gonna pay for it! And all Mexicans will have the wear the little collars.

What is inherently wrong with people worrying about what his administration will do? When someone running to be the leader of a country takes an extreme stance why would you ever go "oh he's probably kidding" instead of erring on the side of caution?

He said it was the law of the land when the ruling occurred, then promised to overturn it, and capped it off by appointing Pence, the poster child for anti-LGBT legislation, as his running mate. I can forgive people for not taking him at his word in this case considering how much he has flipped on the issue publicly.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51366810]So what happened to all the doomsaying that made it seem like Trump/Pence would set up gulags for gay people?[/QUOTE] I have never seen such a skewed and biased interpretation by the media then I have from Donald Trump's Campaign.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51366810]So what happened to all the doomsaying that made it seem like Trump/Pence would set up gulags for gay people?[/QUOTE] Please remember that Pence believes in gay conversion therapy

[QUOTE=Oizen;51367057]I have never seen such a skewed and biased interpretation by the media then I have from Donald Trump's Campaign.[/QUOTE] I don't think people are getting Trumps ambiguous views on gay marriage from the media, I think it's just the things he says.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51367023]I find it incredibly hypocritical that people are blaming the liberals for Trump for not properly arguing with Trump supporters when there are people in this thread who are spewing anti-gay deathsquad memes, insults, and not even providing an actual argument other than "IT'S STUPID".[/QUOTE] And then they wonder why proper argumentation rarely happens or fails when it does happen. It's almost like there's no reasoning with these people and no point in trying to. If they're not going to engage honestly and sincerely, then there's no point in giving them the time of day or considering what they have to say. Still, I think it's hilarious how quick people are to jump on him saying this as "proof" that he's not going to be a bad president-- most of all because they're ignoring the fact that (again) he's a proven liar, and you cannot trust a word he says. [QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51366979]Good job at making blind assumptions about people just because they think differently than you. This fear mongering combined with the constant dogging on people with different political ideologies is the reason why Hillary lost. What makes you think your opinions are so much more valuable than the opinions of anyone else?[/QUOTE] It's not a "blind assumption" to realize that what these people are doing is incredibly hypocritical and/or foolish. ROFLBURGER explained why. Also, no, Clinton won the popular vote by more than 630,000 votes. The majority of Americans chose her over Trump, the majority do not support him, and that's how simple it is. She "lost" because of an archaic electoral system that has the ability to completely ignore the will of the people-- not because of anything having to do with political ideologies or any of that crap. But she had the majority of the people's support, and nothing will change that. Stop rolling this argument out again and again; it's bunk. And we have valid concerns for the rights of other citizens because of the stances this administration is preparing to take, as has already been mentioned. That's what makes them more valuable: we're pointing out correctly that there's no reason to trust a word this man says and that it's foolish to because that sort of mindset makes us vulnerable to him and his cronies. If you aren't going to pay attention to those concerns, then there's no point in arguing. You're just opposed to our side, and you have no intention of arguing anything with us honestly.

[QUOTE=Splarg!;51367050]What is inherently wrong with people worrying about what his administration will do? When someone running to be the leader of a country takes an extreme stance why would you ever go "oh he's probably kidding" instead of erring on the side of caution?[/QUOTE] In very slight fairness to Donald, I don't know whether he has that stance so I'm personally not making any assumptions on him. I'm sure other people know better his place on LGBT issues than I do. It's the VP's stance that is disgraceful and rightfully deserves to be called out. And since Trump appointed him, yeah it's not a terrible surprise it's called into question what he thinks.

I'm a man who wants to see it before they believe it, but I do think he will do it. This man is not the next LITERALLY Hitler, nor Satan. People need to stop this rioting, and violence.

It would be political suicide to try and undo same sex marriage laws.

[QUOTE=OvB;51367103]It would be political suicide to try and undo same sex marriage laws.[/QUOTE] Basically. It would be a bit of a stretch too, since the only reason gay marriage exists nationwide is due to the supreme court. Another case would have to come up to make them change their minds.

[QUOTE=OvB;51367103]It would be political suicide to try and undo same sex marriage laws.[/QUOTE] To be quite honest I thought suggesting a nonsensical wall between 2 countries would be political suicide.

It never struck me that Trump cared deeply about the subject. I think he's rather indifferent. If it didn't go through the first time, I don't think he'd fight for it, and he'd say he was against it on a federal level, but now that it's in, I don't think he really cares enough to try and fight it. As others have said, Pence is the bigger threat to equal rights. Trump just doesn't seem care one way or the other. [editline]13th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Tomo Takino;51367120]To be quite honest I thought suggesting a nonsensical wall between 2 countries would be political suicide.[/QUOTE] A lot of things Trump has said should've been, but we're living in bizzaro world. The wall is a stupid waste of money but it makes more sense than removing rights of millions of Americans.