The number of migrants coming to Bulgaria threatens to tilt “the demographic balance” of the predomi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Dostoyevsky;47597695]Look up rexism[/QUOTE] I know what Rexism is, it just seems odd to me that he got banned for having a political view.

[QUOTE=Griffster26;47597824]I know what Rexism is, it just seems odd to me that he got banned for having a political view.[/QUOTE] Don't tell me you realized just now what a circlejerking tardfest Facepunch can be. It's literally horseshoe effect in action while they think they're superior to everyone else for being extremely liberal when the matter of fact is that huge majority of them are sheltered teenagers who know jack shit about how the world works and try to apply ideals which they think would work around them globally.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47597658]Because fascism is just a tiny little bit bad?[/QUOTE] Using that logic, I guess all Republicans, in the traditional sense of the word, are bad because of the Jacobin's actions during the French Revolution. You can be fascist/monarchist without being a Nazi and lining people up on the walls and shooting them. While fascism can be abused, there have also been many good kings, despots, and emperors.

well political ideology aside, when you look at his other posts about the west falling to the mongol hordes and invading other countries and being "the model of an ideal European man," and you know the fact that one of the ban reasons was for being an outspoken racist, i think it's pretty clear what he was getting at. you can say there were peaceful fascists if you want but he was definitely one of them

Oh hey that's my country!

Can someone tell me how fascism is a defendable ideology? Not because of its history, but more of its content.

The entire immigration issue is a mess because people don't want to assume responsibility. Hell, people don't even want [I]several[/I] people to assume responsibility, it has to be one cause with one solution. It's never going to be that simple.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47599233]The entire immigration issue is a mess because people don't want to assume responsibility. Hell, people don't even want [I]several[/I] people to assume responsibility, it has to be one cause with one solution. It's never going to be that simple.[/QUOTE] Some people have to remember immigrants are humans too, and being born in a fucked up country is not their fault, and they are just wanting the best for themselves and their family, survivalist human behaviour. And some people should remember, not everyone can be harbored. It will be a slow and painful process, but Bulgaria won't be Arabic, and Arabic countries won't stay fucked up forever.

[QUOTE=Dostoyevsky;47599304]Some people have to remember immigrants are humans too, and being born in a fucked up country is not their fault, and they are just wanting the best for themselves and their family, survivalist human behaviour. [/QUOTE] No problem with that, but if you can't accept the fact that this isn't your original home anymore and that behavior that was acceptable there might not be acceptable here and you refuse to respect the culture and people of the country which just gave you an opportunity to start a good life again I really want you to go away then.

[QUOTE=Scar;47596853]I plan on having at least 3 children, thank you. Just because the West is falling doesn't absolve me of my responsibility to be the model of an ideal European man. Also, I'm a monarchist, with Rexist tendencies. [editline]25th April 2015[/editline] Because of the treaties following the 30 years war, with, among other things, included the concept of national sovereignty. Ergo, no one can invade and unfuck a country anymore (at least not officially), even if it would be for the better. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Terrible Poster, Vocal Racist, Admitted Fascist" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Why was this guy banned exactly?

[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;47599359]Why was this guy banned exactly?[/QUOTE] Give his ban history a look. His previous ban was a last warning, and he's had a history of being a racist shitposter.

[QUOTE=Cone;47598995]well political ideology aside, when you look at his other posts about the west falling to the mongol hordes and invading other countries and being "the model of an ideal European man," and you know the fact that one of the ban reasons was for being an outspoken racist, i think it's pretty clear what he was getting at. you can say there were peaceful fascists if you want but he was definitely one of them[/QUOTE] Isn't Italy invading north Africa to deal with the migrant issue? Or that not related?

[QUOTE=Dostoyevsky;47599188]Can someone tell me how fascism is a defendable ideology? Not because of its history, but more of its content.[/QUOTE] It emphasizes fast, strong response to issues and topics. It creates a very unified national body, one that isn't disjointed and can handle threats efficiently. It mends the unfocused direction Capitalism can lead towards, and the inefficiencies of Communism. Of course, I think fascism is flawed in the current day due to the racial baggage assigned to it by its founders, but autocracy in more general terms is not nearly as flawed and can stand toe to toe with more modern political doctrines. As always, it's not the government that's problematic, but instead the man in the driver's seat. An enlightened king is better than an incompetent president. Additionally, he did state he was a Monarchist and while the Rexist Party was rather extremist and racially motivated, one cannot extrapolate racial biases from being Monarchist alone, let alone confuse Fascism and Monarchism.

I lived in Bulgaria for a bit and sofia is a beautiful city, but after over a year I still didnt know how to speak bulgarian despite taking a class for it good luck immigrants on learning the language I recommend anywhere else except hungary

[QUOTE=Griffster26;47597616]Why is one of the ban reasons supporting Fascism?[/QUOTE] i mean it's bda what do you expect

so people are "not so subtly" defending fascism in this thread, amazing. :v:

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47599693]so people are "not so subtly" defending fascism in this thread, amazing. :v:[/QUOTE] I wasn't defending fascism. I was confused as to why he got banned for being a fascist.

[QUOTE=Griffster26;47599706]I wasn't defending fascism. I was confused as to why he got banned for being a fascist.[/QUOTE] because fascists are assholes, and facepunch is a private entity, A.K.A. freedom of speech doesn't exist here.

Fascism is good* *[sp] If I get to be up in the top ranks and those damn darkies stay out of my precious Europe[/sp]

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47599693]so people are "not so subtly" defending fascism in this thread, amazing. :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah, it [i]is[/i] pretty amazing that so many people on FP could get together like this and have such a calm, civil discussion on the political merits and detracting elements of Fascist ideology. For the most part anyway this has been true-- just as it's been true for the discussion on immigration in the course of this thread. I don't see any problems here. Actually, if anything, it's too bad this forum doesn't get along this well more often and regularly have this much amicability and personal agreeance between members.

[QUOTE=Govna;47599839]Yeah, it [i]is[/i] pretty amazing that so many people on FP could get together like this and have such a calm, civil discussion on the [B]political merits[/B] and detracting elements of Fascist ideology. For the most part anyway this has been true-- just as it's been true for the discussion on immigration in the course of this thread. I don't see any problems here. Actually, if anything, it's too bad this forum doesn't get along this well more often and regularly have this much amicability and personal agreeance between members.[/QUOTE] you're serious? :v: care to enlighten us on the merits of fascism? i'm very curious now.:v:

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47599907]you're serious? :v: care to enlighten us on the merits of fascism? i'm very curious now.:v:[/QUOTE] See [QUOTE=General_Lee;47599471]It emphasizes fast, strong response to issues and topics. It creates a very unified national body, one that isn't disjointed and can handle threats efficiently. It mends the unfocused direction Capitalism can lead towards, and the inefficiencies of Communism. Of course, I think fascism is flawed in the current day due to the racial baggage assigned to it by its founders, but autocracy in more general terms is not nearly as flawed and can stand toe to toe with more modern political doctrines. As always, it's not the government that's problematic, but instead the man in the driver's seat. An enlightened king is better than an incompetent president.[/QUOTE] Just sayin', someone already said it.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47599945]See Just sayin', someone already said it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]It emphasizes fast, strong response to issues and topics. It creates a very unified national body, one that isn't disjointed and can handle threats efficiently. It mends the unfocused direction Capitalism can lead towards, and the inefficiencies of Communism. Of course, I think fascism is flawed in the current day due to the racial baggage assigned to it by its founders, but autocracy in more general terms is not nearly as flawed and can stand toe to toe with more modern political doctrines. As always, it's not the government that's problematic, but instead the man in the driver's seat. An enlightened king is better than an incompetent president.[/QUOTE] except its one big turd, fascism was horribly inefficient in practice, as was autocracy. look at putin if you want a modern autocrat, or erdogan if you want one seeking to become one(and following putin's footsteps).

Make no mistake, I do not think 20th century fascism has nearly as many benefits as more moderate forms of government, however you must concede it has some merits. You can't confuse the structure of government with its core beliefs, you can have a relatively egalitarian autocracy and a racist, tyrannical sham "democracy". Every government is a blank book until the head of it writes something. [QUOTE=Wizards Court;47600015]except its one big turd, fascism was horribly inefficient in practice, as was autocracy. look at putin if you want a modern autocrat, or erdogan if you want one seeking to become one(and following putin's footsteps).[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call Putin inefficient. He isn't good at PR, hence the embargoes and trade restrictions, but he has stood in the face of NATO and the UN, and annexed territory, which a poor, inefficient autocrat would be unable to do. Additionally, he has effectively rallied the people behind him, and is in the process of modernizing the Russian military. An incompetent autocrat wouldn't manage to accomplish any of that. Finally, it's silly to suggest that autocracy is inefficient in practice, considering all the powerful nations born from autocracy (Emperor Meiji of Japan, Fredrick II of Prussia, Louis XIV). The main caveat with autocracy is it's highly dependent on the ability of a ruler, if the autocrat is competent, the nation will perform better than the same ruler in a different form of government such as Republicanism, while if the autocrat is inept, it'll tank (See William 1, who managed to unify Germany and bring it to the forefront of world politics, to William II, his grandson, who managed to tank foreign relations with everyone and cause the destruction of the German Empire. In addition, the Russian Tsars).

[QUOTE=General_Lee;47600038]Make no mistake, I do not think 20th century fascism has nearly as many benefits as more moderate forms of government, however you must concede it has some merits. You can't confuse the structure of government with its core beliefs, you can have a relatively egalitarian autocracy and a racist, tyrannical sham "democracy". Every government is a blank book until the head of it writes something.[/QUOTE] "egalitarian" and autocratic are direct opposites, you can't have both, and a sham democracy is either an autocracy or an oligarchy in practice, like you said, its a sham, not a real democracy.

It's generally common practice on Facepunch for mods to ban communists and fascists, although people are still surprised when it happens.

[QUOTE=Deng;47600131]It's generally common practice on Facepunch for mods to ban communists and fascists, although people are still surprised when it happens.[/QUOTE] I know a communist thats still unbanned though.

What is exactly facism? No I am not being lazy, I know a bit and its a mess of an philosophy with no clear points. As far I can tell anyways... So wondering besides what been described here if anyone could give more clarity?

[QUOTE=Griffster26;47600143]I know a communist thats still unbanned though.[/QUOTE] Let's go find it and use provocative slogans to entice it out. [i]The labour theory of value is invalid![/i]

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47600065]"egalitarian" and autocratic are direct opposites, you can't have both, and a sham democracy is either an autocracy or an oligarchy in practice, like you said, its a sham, not a real democracy.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. A president for life would be autocratic and egalitarian, assuming he is voted in on the same grounds as everyone else. Additionally, if you loosen the terms to simply mean equality within the main social structures (no divide between men and women, no segregation between races, etc), you can still have a king in an egalitarian autocracy.