The number of migrants coming to Bulgaria threatens to tilt “the demographic balance” of the predomi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CrossTownNews;47600180]What is exactly facism? No I am not being lazy, I know a bit and its a mess of an philosophy with no clear points. As far I can tell anyways... So wondering besides what been described here if anyone could give more clarity?[/QUOTE] Fascism is an ideology best understood from looking at the etymology of the word itself. I say this because what Fascism actually encompasses is highly debated and it is probably easier to explain Fascism as a collection of various practices that were already established, rather than an entirely unique form of government. Fascism has its roots in the word Fasces, from Latin. A Fasces is a bundle of sticks usually with an Axe head, it is a commonly used symbol in many societies and it represents power in unity. You can use this to describe Fascism overall, it is a political ideology that argues that Unified Country is a powerful Country. And so it should be no surprise that Fascism involves a Unitary State, that is there is a Single government body with absolute and total Jurisdiction. This differs from us in the United States who have a Federalist Government, where various bodies share different Jurisdictions. Fascism can be described as Populist, Nationalist, Militarist, Imperialist, and Socialist. It uses a One Party System, in which every member of the Authoritative government is a member of the State sponsored party. This is part of the idea of Unity, as if you use a multi-party system or a structure such as democracy you allow ideas to fluctuate and risk running the country into a period of political stagnation. Fascism isn't about that, it is a structure design to move from plans to action as quickly as possible. Fascism was also another attempt to solving the class issue, which they handled by having the government essentially regulate classes. Unlike communism, it wasn't classless, but unlike Capitalism, classes weren't determined by the Free-Market. This was usually done by integrating the Military into society in some manner, and by adopting the economic system of Syndicalism. Syndicalism is to economy what Federalism is to government, it divides the economy into various sectors which in turn are controlled by various groups. Example would be, you'd have the National government create something like: The National Fishing Organization, which has jurisdiction over all fishing activities in the Country. If your country has two coasts, you might see the Northern Fishing Organization have control over one and the Southern Fishing Organization take over the other. Various divisions like this would exist but the at the lower ends they are controlled by labor Unions instead of the government. This is also the Populist side of Fascism, as Fascism is [I]intended[/I] to be a political system that benefits the people, but keep in mind that this is a staunchly [I]utilitarian[/I] point of view. It's also very Nationalist, Fascism exists for the people, but only for the people of its country. Because of this Fascism has tended to lead to the creation of a "Super races" and a "Sub Races", examples in History being the Aryan race and Jews, Blacks, and Gypsies. In a perfect world, a Fascist country is merely a collection of people who share an exact political identity. But people have varying ideas of what the perfect government is, and that threatens what the Fascist government is trying to establish. In history, this usually leads to political and racial purges, either through genocide or mass displacement. Also, Autarky (economic indepedence) is a goal of a fascism government which makes many uses their military to expand territory for the sake of resources, making it have a history of warmongering. Fascism is a hodgepodge of good ideas and bad ideas but it has always suffered from poor execution, like communism. I take a lot of inspiration from Fascist ideology for my own views but I keep myself wary of it's many mistakes and downfalls; Fascism is exclusive as it needs to be, but being exclusionary on race and religion is a huge mistake. Fascists strive for absolute independence from the world which cannot work in a global society. Fascism romanticizes an aggressive military instead of a defensive force. Fascism uses force to silence differing opinions instead of trying to convince them. I could list more but I think I made my point. [editline]25th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Wizards Court;47600065]"egalitarian" and autocratic are direct opposites, you can't have both, and a sham democracy is either an autocracy or an oligarchy in practice, like you said, its a sham, not a real democracy.[/QUOTE] Someone can be voted by majority into office and have the support of the people without actually caring or doing anything for them, but that is more a flaw of republicanism than democracy. Democracy is not flawless though, the Paradox of Democracy is well known which is why there's very few direct democracies in the world. You can have a King or any figure with absolute authority who was not elected by the People but still actively make changes to improve their opportunities and quality of life. They may not be common, but you can find leader such as Peter the Great in history. Of course it isn't always the focus of their motivation, but many had recognized that benefits to the people are benefits to the country. In my opinion, the difference between Authoritative governments and Democracies is in their speed. Absolute Authority leads to quick and easy implementation, but this can be abused to swiftly commit acts of tyranny. Democracy is slow and deliberate, meaning radical changes rarely happen, but problems already in place can take decades to fix.

You know, I'm not surprised a tread about Bulgaria turned into an argument about fascism.

I found that very informative thank you.

EU failed to secure it's borders (no walls (hell not even guards nor drones) on critical frontiers) EU failed to establish security buffer with 3 layers of stable countries beyond it's borders 1st layer = medium or longer term candidates for EU membership 2nd layer = friendly and stable countries 3rd layer = someone neutral or friendly relatively stable ... what EU did, oh wait Italy, France and UK messed Libya, US Iraq, everyone Syria Libya is in chaos of full scale civil war Iraq is in chaos of full scale civil war Syria is in chaos of full scale civil war Ukraine is in chaos of hybrid war (East) and lost Crimea Moldavia (Moldova) has frozen conflict in Transnistria Georgia has two frozen conflicts (South Ossetia and Abkhazia) Lebanon is in frozen civil war Morocco had revolution turning it into bit less stable Tunisia had revolution turning it into bit less stable Egypt had revolution turning stuff into way less stable Algeria is less secure now too Greece (EU) still has disputes with Turkey (while both being in NATO) Greece (EU) has disputes with Macedonia (can't join EU because Greece don't like the name (same as theirs province)) Macedonia has disputes with Albania Albania has dispute Serbia Kosovo has dispute with Serbia (oh guess what it was part of Serbia) Azerbaijan has cold-war and cross-border fighting with Armenia all the time past decade Russia has half-dozen frozen or melting conflicts all around west and south borders and can bully everyone but USA and Finland! no, this is not log of some Paradox Turn Based strategy game , it's reality! EU must accept Montenegro, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Moldavia(Moldova), Greenland, Iceland, Switzerland (oh wait no money) EU must stop endless-talk about accepting Turkey and say no to membership while keeping them as friends with exclusive treaties (80 million country out of which 75 are Muslims is probably too much to handle for conservative EU) EU must stabilize North Africa countries ASAP (oh wait no EU army or enough UN forces to send in) EU must help Kurds establish own state (Kurdistan in North Iraq and part of Syria) (clearly outside Turkey and Iran, we want them to stay friendly with us too) EU must help Ukraine to become self-sustainable and self-defendable (gunna be hard to avoid black-hole effect and outplay Russia) EU need to stop blame Israel for everything (it gets boring) EU needs to get rid of bureaucratic absurdistan (mission impossible)

[QUOTE=Dwarden;47601506] no, this is not log of some Paradox Turn Based strategy game , it's reality! [/QUOTE] This is a good post.

This is the reason that I don't post in SH anymore. People are literally defending fascism. What the fuck. What is wrong with you people.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;47601555]This is the reason that I don't post in SH anymore. People are literally defending fascism. What the fuck. What is wrong with you people.[/QUOTE] Well there's people who defend anarchism or anti-capitalism or pedophilia, but you shouldn't stop posting in a place just because you have insane people here. The biggest thread in SH atm isn't about fascism, but about an unpopular policy by a video games company.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47598080]Don't tell me you realized just now what a circlejerking tardfest Facepunch can be. It's literally horseshoe effect in action while they think they're superior to everyone else for being extremely liberal when the matter of fact is that huge majority of them are sheltered teenagers who know jack shit about how the world works and try to apply ideals which they think would work around them globally.[/QUOTE] That reminds me of the dark times when you couldn't have a different view that was either somewhat negative or just grey about whatever group of people without having a bunch of people gathering their pitchforks and running you out of town while calling every little piece of information you give about the topic at hand anecdotal evidence, and then havinf the hipocrisy of doing it themselves in a MUCH worser way, that could actually be 100% anecdotal.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;47601555]This is the reason that I don't post in SH anymore. People are literally defending fascism. What the fuck. What is wrong with you people.[/QUOTE] I'd say overall it's half defending freedom of speech and opinions, and the other half defending authoritarianism instead of specifically fascism.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;47601555]This is the reason that I don't post in SH anymore. People are literally defending fascism. What the fuck. What is wrong with you people.[/QUOTE] It's simply playing the role of the devil's advocate. Fascism, like all things, has its merits in certain areas under certain conditions, it's not 100% black and white. Additionally, one has to detach the explanation of rationale with actual support and defense, one is done senselessly, the other is done with as little bias as possible. I will concede that I would consider myself a monarchist, however, fascism muddled the slate with 20th century racism and nationalism, meaning it was killed out of the gate by its own political baggage. Do not confuse one issue with another, one can support a relatively strong, centralized government without supporting racial prejudices and extreme nationalism.

[QUOTE=Deng;47601748]Well there's people who defend anarchism or anti-capitalism or pedophilia, but you shouldn't stop posting in a place just because you have insane people here. The biggest thread in SH atm isn't about fascism, but about an unpopular policy by a video games company.[/QUOTE] atm the policies that the video game company have are about as good as the facists

[QUOTE=Wiggles;47593723]It's not, but peddling the idea that native populations are going to become the minority due to general immigration is just scare mongering and helps to create an unhealthy resentment towards immigrants.[/QUOTE] except it's a realistic prospect to a nation with a relatively small population and where both ethnicity and religion are only at roughly 80% or so. Keep in mind, that the situation is not nearly as simple, as the refugee populations will probably congregate, easily becoming the majority in certain areas. It's obviously different for the Uk which has a population of some 65 million. Likewise the point isn't about a population becoming a minority or majority, but about creating issues of demographic balance.

[QUOTE=Scar;47593649]How is wanting to preserve your own culture, and being opposed to getting swamped with immigrants that refuse to integrate a difficult concept to grasp?[/QUOTE] it already happened to the native americans it can HAPPEN TO US TOO

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[QUOTE=Dwarden;47601506]EU must stop endless-talk about accepting Turkey and say no to membership while keeping them as friends with exclusive treaties (80 million country out of which 75 are Muslims is probably too much to handle for conservative EU) [/QUOTE] Why would the fact that turkey is a Muslim majority have anything to do with them joining EU?

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48067094]-snip-[/QUOTE] a lot of the differences comes to size: the united states has far more area and resources to support immigrants, illegal and otherwise. the native population is also high enough and immigration slow enough where sudden demographic shift doesn't really have a chance to happen before the immigrants are fully integrated into the population. european countries don't have those luxuries

its why i am far more open to the idea of immigration to the US and more hesitant to support more open immigration in european countries (not that i have any business with that anyways)

This documentary shows Bulgaria's situation pretty well, if you're bored and interested. [video=youtube;CpB3zDlxApY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpB3zDlxApY[/video]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48067317]a lot of the differences comes to size: the united states has far more area and resources to support immigrants, illegal and otherwise. the native population is also high enough and immigration slow enough where sudden demographic shift doesn't really have a chance to happen before the immigrants are fully integrated into the population. european countries don't have those luxuries[/QUOTE] Sorry about that, I was kind of lost and felt like I was missing something!

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48067317]a lot of the differences comes to size: the united states has far more area and resources to support immigrants, illegal and otherwise. the native population is also high enough and immigration slow enough where sudden demographic shift doesn't really have a chance to happen before the immigrants are fully integrated into the population. european countries don't have those luxuries[/QUOTE] Small enough populations that in a lot of cases you have situations like Luxembourg where even a small amount over time has led to there being around 1 in 4 of the people there being Portuguese. These trickles add up for the Non 50+ million person nations.