[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43594723][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_health[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis#Biochemical_mechanisms_in_the_brain[/url]
Compare these two before you spout something off, Mr. President.
Marijuana doesn't kill you if you ingest too much of it, and it doesn't rot your liver either.[/QUOTE]
No more means less than or equal to. If it is less, then he's still correct.
While we are talking about things that are bad for you, do you want to know what is bad for you? Pretty much everything, some things are just less bad so they are marked as "good" for you.
[QUOTE=ironman17;43595189]Well it's not just the pot thing; look at humanity in general and you see a LOT of idiots, many of them with power. The excuse "they're only human" isn't good enough because every human should aspire to be more than human.
Also use some capitalisation; it reflects badly on your intellect.[/QUOTE]
i judge the intelligence of posters based on the quality of their beliefs and how they justify them, not with how often they hold down shift while pressing a key on their keyboard
regardless, i dont see how obama's belief that weed is not worse than alcohol means that mankind is making some transition out of some nonexistant "age of stupidity" (mankind collectively progresses, we arent worse off now than we were 5 or 500 years ago)
[QUOTE=onebit;43594853]And weed is still a psychotropic, so hallucinations are a factor.[/QUOTE]
no
[QUOTE=Combine 177;43595269]While we are talking about things that are bad for you, do you want to know what is bad for you? Pretty much everything, some things are just less bad so they are marked as "good" for you.[/QUOTE]
um what
sure, "dose makes the poison," but that doesnt mean things are inherently bad for you
we tend to call things "good for you" when they have a high median lethal dose (mld) or when they are required for basic biological function; as well, things that are bad for you also tend to have some form of physical dependence because they permanently alter the person's body, which "good things" dont do
water is great for you, its not bad for you; yes, it has a lethal dose, as everything does, but that value is over 90,000 mg/kg
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;43594740]Too much will cause brain damage though. "Too much" meaning "so much that you have a legitimate problem".[/QUOTE]
There have been ZERO medical reports of marijuana causing brain damage, sure it can cause lung problems/cancer when smoked from papers, foil, and other stupid methods of ingesting it, but that's why people bake it with food.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;43595300]no[/QUOTE]
cannabis is psychotropic, he's not wrong on that
but cannabis is not a hallucinogenic psychotropic drug
First:
[url]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature[/url]
I don't have a problem with people using weed, legalizing it, or justifying it's use.
I do have a problem with people/politicians literally doing their job just for the sole purpose of legalizing the use/possession and nothing else.
Do we not have other pressing matters to work on?
Also, the fact that some people are implying alcohol should be banned but weed shouldn't is really hypocritical you know. Just because you don't see the pleasure in it doesn't mean it should be banned (that goes for weed too.)
[QUOTE=spaceghostx;43595325]There have been ZERO medical reports of marijuana causing brain damage, sure it can cause lung problems/cancer when smoked from papers, foil, and other stupid methods of ingesting it, but that's why people bake it with food.[/QUOTE]
but there have been reports that marijuana causes developmental problems when used by children and teenagers
[QUOTE=onebit;43594853]If he had said weed was less dangerous it would cause more harm than good.
And weed is still a psychotropic, so hallucinations are a factor.[/QUOTE]
Alright, nah. It's time to clear up some misconceptions about weed.
Weed doesn't cause hallucinations. The two primary things that weed does is cause a sense of euphoria and it slows your mental facilities, making everything about ten times more fascinating and also fucking with your perception of time.
In other words, it makes your entire body as pleasurable as your bellend and it makes you so stupid that bright colors and rock n' roll absolutely delight you.
It doesn't cause hallucinations.
To compare the effects of marijuana vs. the effects of alcohol:
Alcohol makes you stupid, impairs your motor skills, and it makes you way more impulsive. This can lead to incredibly stupid and potentially dangerous decisions.
Marijuana makes you stupid, impairs your motor skills, and makes you way LESS impulsive. Everything feels so good and your brain is operating so slowly that you don't really get exciting stupid ideas. Why take the car out for a drive when walking to the fridge feels "like, woah."
On the topic of driving, driving while under the influence of either substance is a fucking stupid idea because of the effects on your reaction time, but you're way less likely to get in a fatal collision when high on marijuana because you'll be going like five miles per hour.
tl;dr both substances have upsides and downsides but marijuana's downsides are way, WAY tamer than alcohol's because marijuana doesn't give you dangerous impulses.
So yeah, if alcohol is legal, then marijuana should also be legal because in comparison it is WAAAY less dangerous.
[QUOTE=ironman17;43595001]I damn sure hope that humanity's starting to get smarter again; maybe it's because all of the old people are dying?[/QUOTE]
I thought it was until I read this post.
[QUOTE=onebit;43594853]If he had said weed was less dangerous it would cause more harm than good.
And weed is still a psychotropic, so hallucinations are a factor.[/QUOTE]
You have to ingest MASSIVE amounts to hallucinate, or are naturally sensitive to the chemical composition. Being that high is very uncomfortable anyway, why would anyone do that?
Even then it's a very mild hallucination and you feel like shit.
[QUOTE=Kagu;43595341]First:
[url]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature[/url]
I don't have a problem with people using weed, legalizing it, or justifying it's use.
I do have a problem with people/politicians literally doing their job just for the sole purpose of legalizing the use/possession and nothing else.
Do we not have other pressing matters to work on?
Also, the fact that some people are implying alcohol should be banned but weed shouldn't is really hypocritical you know. Just because you don't see the pleasure in it doesn't mean it should be banned (that goes for weed too.)[/QUOTE]
i dont think there are any politicians who make their entire focus weed legalization, and i dont think anyone in the thread said anything about banning any recreational drug
politics is not a one track system, hundreds of thousands of individuals lobby and push for change, (for better or worse) all the time, just because a handful of local/state politicians put a front towards legalization of marijuana, doesnt mean that other matters arent being addressed as well
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43595356]but there have been reports that marijuana causes developmental problems when used by children and teenagers[/QUOTE]
Sorry I was talking about people who are fully developed, people shouldn't start using it until they're at least 18 or older. I haven't read any reports on studies with younger people so i'm probably being a bit biased when it comes to that particular factor.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43595379]i dont think there are any politicians who make their entire focus weed legalization, and i dont think anyone in the thread said anything about banning any recreational drug
politics is not a one track system, hundreds of thousands of individuals lobby and push for change, (for better or worse) all the time, just because a handful of local/state politicians put a front towards legalization of marijuana, doesnt mean that other matters arent being addressed as well[/QUOTE]
That's what I mean though, the fact that those type of people exist hurts the people in the long run.
People with a one-track mind are the reasons for both sides of the spectrum on a debate.
You have to account for the other side and their reasons why something is what it is too, not just your own.
Marijuana is maybe not inherently harmful, but inhaling smoke of any kind isn't good for you.
It is no more dangerous then alcohol yes. But cannabis can still severely harm your mind if you use it to much. The long-term negative effects are quite significant, so be careful.
Knowledge is the key. Be drugsmart. [url]http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml[/url]
[QUOTE=Kljunas;43595489]Marijuana is maybe not inherently harmful, but inhaling smoke of any kind isn't good for you.[/QUOTE]
You can get around that by eating it or using a vaporizer.
With the former all you gotta worry about is whatever junk food you mixed it in with and with the latter you are literally just breathing in water vapor so it's fine.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43595049]it's really just considered dumb because one of those things is considered a substantial social lubricant and tradition. booze is strange as an intoxicant because it has a [B]wide variety in a way that weed doesn't [/B]that provides it a lot of wiggle room and diversity, which makes it dip into other fields of "hobbyism" if you want to call it that. ie, beer has a huge variety in taste, a lot of which appeals to foodies such as myself. you can use it in cooking, and each beer can have a huge variety in taste to the point that they don't even taste like the same drink - the difference between a stout and an ipa are huge. one is a sweet, thick drink, the other is a light, floral, and really bitter drink. wine (apparently, but [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCdv3B7GmS8]this is how i feel about that personally[/url]) is similar for a lot of people, and has a wide variety of uses in cooking beyond being utilized as an intoxicant.
not being okay with alcohol is fine though, as everyone's saying it's really entirely about moderation. i've grown up in a family of utter alcoholics and one who's actually become addicted to both booze and weed though, and i've got to say, alcohol is significantly more destructive when abused - not from a physical perspective, but from a social one. where weed will make them calm and relaxed and still largely able to function, the booze will often make them argumentative, and destroy all sense of productivity.
really why people are rating you dumb tho is because they see you as a stick in the mud tbh[/QUOTE]
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Foods flavors blends tastes drinks strains and more.
Weed has it all.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;43595594]Foods flavors blends tastes drinks strains and more.
Weed has it all.[/QUOTE]
we need to make edible marijuana cloths
and paper out of it, and use that to protest for weed
Except weed has proven medicinal benefits
[QUOTE=Dr McNinja;43596577]Except weed has proven medicinal benefits[/QUOTE]
Yea man alcohol has no place in the medical field!
Oh wait..
I've worked with stoners and alcohol addicts when I was working in a hospital and in my experience the comparison of "what does more damage" is just very cynical when either of them come to a point where they start doing damage.
[QUOTE=Dr McNinja;43596577]Except weed has proven medicinal benefits[/QUOTE]
And various alcohols have actually shown medical benefits in lighter doses.
This whole line that weed and alcohol need to verse eachother off is retarded because at the end of the day if you're responsible, both leave you feeling good. [B]So who fucking cares?[/B]
[QUOTE=1chains1;43596682]Yea man alcohol has no place in the medical field!
Oh wait..[/QUOTE]
You're right but that's not what I meant.
[QUOTE=Swilly;43596744]And various alcohols have actually shown medical benefits in lighter doses.
This whole line that weed and alcohol need to verse eachother off is retarded because at the end of the day if you're responsible, both leave you feeling good. [B]So who fucking cares?[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah red wine has been proven time and time again to be good for your heart
And red wine tastes great so why wouldn't you drink it
He was cracking down on medical marijuana not long ago
The error in chronoception (not being able to tell time) is technically a hallucination by the way. And weed is a hallucinogen but a very very weak one.
Might I also add that in high consumption, alcohol can also make you hallucinate.
Remember a hallucination doesn't have to be visual. A hallucination is an error in perception where you perceive something without the corresponding stimuli. Perception covers all of your senses including visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, and tactile. As well as the lesser known ones such as nociception, proprioception, equlibrioception and chronoception.
Also IMO being drunk is worse than being high because being drunk can really fuck up your emotional state which can be painful for others and yourself, in more ways than just physical.
So he ups the heat from the feds on the states trying to get legal/medical marijuana; then later he says it's no more dangerous?
What a flip-flop.
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