• Obama: "Marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol"
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[quote=PredGD]the more you know, thought hash was mixed with other chemicals too[/quote] So what was the post on the first page about claiming hash does more brain damage than weed? Seriously, and it's nothing personal, but why do people jump into topics with "facts" while they have no fucking clue what they're on about. This happens to much in politics already, if you're not sure, be sure to let people know trough your post. [B]Brain Damage[/B] As for the brain damage, as long as the user would be at least 21 years old (the oldest legal drinking age in most places), there should be no problem. (legally) The use of marijuana MAY slow the growth of the brain, something that can happen up until one is 25 of age (and, with some people, probably older). But seeing as nobody wants to wait 25 years to smoke (or, in that case, also drink) I'd vote 21 would be a right age. Not to say I've kept myself to that. I've been a daily since my 17'th, and to be honest i've still learnt a whole lot in my last few years. So i'd hardly say any permanent heavy brain-damage has been done; although I have no hard science to back that up. [B]Misinformation in the house[/B] I say most problems stem from the view a lot of people have towards it, and most of the time the government doesn't help shit, sometimes even spewing out complete non-sense. Some examples of shit that can happen because of shitty information: A 16 year old kid having a beer with some friends? - Worst that parents will probably do is a slap on the wrist, maybe some detention for a weekend. Probably not, cause, you know, everyone drinks. A 16 year old kid smoking a doobie? - Get kicked out of the house because of badly misinformed parents, with possibly very bad results for the kid. And one of my friends actually had this, he had to move around for about a year until he just dropped off the radar. (thankfully, though, apparently he's doing quite well now) [B]Misinformation outside[/B] This misinformation over weed is also seen outside of the house: Publicly drinking some beers at a park: - Cops tend to turn a blind eye at public drinking, (at least around here). No 15 dollar case of beer to throw away! - People passing by don't really care, as long as the noise doesn't bother anyone. Publicly smoking a doobie at a park: - Cops nearly always come around and start bitching, and hooray a 30 dollar bag of stuff down the drain. (that's if you're lucky enough to live in the Netherlands, I'm not even gonna start about the human rights abuse in the US) [B]Worst cases?[/B] Worst that can happen with a group of youngsters drinking? - Other people might get disturbed because of noise-pollution - Fights - Vandalism - Drinking so much till one passes out, with possibly deadly results (I remember this one girl who drank too much, kept passing out / waking up screaming, had to get paramedics at the party. Shit was disturbing) What's the worst that could happen? - People fall asleep and get shit drawn on their faces - People get real hungry and start spending inane amounts of money at the mac-donalds - Other people might get disturbed because of the horrid (apparently) smell. Seriously, the worst I can think of is the time a mate of mine whited out (you just knock out a few seconds) and face planted on the floor. Had a bloody nose, wasn't all too bad in the end. (~Note he also had a few drinks) [B]Pushed into black market[/B] And a bunch of problems stem from the legalization too. Nobody needs to go to some street-dealer to get case of beer, yet to simply get some grass you have to go into the "underworld" to get your stuff. Not to say that weed-dealers are the worst kind, by far. I'm just saying it's stupid to push otherwise completely "legit" people towards the wrong sectors. [B]Driving myths[/B] As for driving, I call bullshit on "high drivers are slow drivers". Maybe I just speed all the time when I'm sober, but I drive on the limit (60 on the dashboard on a 50 road) practically ALWAYS. And I always slow down at intersections, or blind turns. It's not about the state of mind, it's the pro-efficiency of the driver. At least with pot. I'm not even gonna go into the effects driving drunk has on a person, as i've seen too many people do it and have heard too many reports of that shit going horribly wrong (in my town). As for people crashing on weed? Just the Frenchies. Not even tryna be rascist. I live in a bordertown, and when we still had our biggest coffee-shop open (Check-Point, anyone?), there'd be more French people driving than locals. I suppose their tolerance was so low they got effected too much to drive, I remember at least 5 reports of them flying over a roundabout (proving once more, smoking doesn't necessarily mean you drive slow) So I guess it's part driver skill, part tolerance. [B]Addiction[/B] Not gonna go over this a whole lot. Only saying after smoking for about five years straight, together with cigarettes, weed is SO easy to stop. To the point where you don't even mind if people around you smoke it. Nicotine no the other hand, is the devils drug. I fucking hate cigarettes, yet still smoke a pack in 3 days (progress though, used to be 2 packs a day). Here goes for a pack a week. I'm pretty sure I posted most of this already once. I'd HOPE most of you realize this stuff. And I hope Obama knows what he's doing. Though the US is going the right way with legalization, as far as I can see from here. [B]TL;DR?[/B] 420 legalize it [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [quote=sltlamina]I disagree slightly. If you're smoking it EVERY DAY (like some people do) you probably DO have a psychological dependancy on it.[/quote] Hardly. Only if one you use it to block out other thoughts, then maybe. But you should never do any sort of recreational drug for this reason.
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;43605107]Hardly. Only if one you use it to block out other thoughts, then maybe. But you should never do any sort of recreational drug for this reason.[/QUOTE] No, I'm sorry but if you're saying this you're merely trying to rationalise your addiction. If you're doing any drug on a daily basis you DO have a psychological or physical dependancy on it. Usually when uni is on I become a fucking caffeine fiend because I need the energy and extra stimulation to get through the day. I can admit to that. The fucking withdrawal sucks when I subject myself to it during the first few weeks of each holiday, but it's a system I'm used to by this point and I completely accept it. When you're a DAILY USER of anything and you're saying, "no, wait, I'm not dependant on it, I just like it!" I'm sorry to tell you, but you are COMPLETELY and totally dependant on it, be it psychologically or physically. You're trying to justify your addiction to others when you try explaining yourself at that point, and I'm not buying it.
Marijuana made my mental health worse, when I discovered this I decided to stop using it. I'm still slowly recovering from the effects of it but it definitely made me worse. I guess I had a predisposition towards it.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;43599916]Driving is such a mundane thing to people that not many people stop to consider that driving is literally making at least two tons of steel travel at a speed fast enough to kill anything standing in front of it. Driving while high on pot is safer than driving while drunk in the same sense that stabbing yourself with a pen is safer than stabbing yourself with a hunting knife.[/QUOTE] This may or may not be the dumbest thing i've seen, but I agree with you 100%.
[quote=Loriborn]Driving high is more like driving as a senior citizen; you're slow and careful, but you lack the cognitive speed to react appropriately in high stress or sudden situations.[/quote] I like how you seem to have all these "facts" about how someone reacts to it, all while (seemingly, tell me if i'm wrong) you never even used the drug. I'm offended you say I drive like an old person. I always take caution when I see an older driver, as they seem to be damn scared on the road. That, weaving in and out of lane, driving too slow, not noticing it when you take over. You're telling me stoners do this? Get some experiences about it in real life before you come post walls again. How about getting some proof in the equation. Getting better lap-times while racing, better scores while playing shooters. That doesn't happen for me while drunk, only while high. Next to that? I'm a designer. Sitting down for a design slightly intoxicated definitely speeds up my design and conceptual process, so i'd say in some sectors it can actually HELP work. Though i'm not saying you're all wrong. I know of people who do genuinely drive shit while high, but, whoa big surprise, they drive shit sober too.
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;43605107]Hardly. Only if one you use it to block out other thoughts, then maybe. But you should never do any sort of recreational drug for this reason.[/QUOTE] If you do it every day since you turned 17, sorry to say, but you're an addict. When the use of a drug, or the act of a certain activity, transcends into a daily ritual, then it has changed from a recreational drug, to a psychological necessity.
[quote=sltlamina]No, I'm sorry but if you're saying this you're merely trying to rationalise your addiction.[/quote] Thanks for letting me know that i'm a pot addict. I didn't realize this. Oh wait. If you truly read trough my entire post you see i've even made a little mark about addiction. I've even quit weed multiple times (holiday to Singapore, kind of harsh punishments there), sometimes months on end. To say that my "addiction" would still be active then, would be naive. Cigarettes, however, I haven't been able to stop for a WEEK. I'd say the "addiction" some people think they have is simply the request for nicotine, while they then think they wanna smoke another doobie (if you roll with tobacco). THAT, was a learning point for me.
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;43605264]I like how you seem to have all these "facts" about how someone reacts to it, all while (seemingly, tell me if i'm wrong) you never even used the drug.[/QUOTE] And your entire above post seems to insinuate that you have all these facts just because you're a heavy user? Anecdotal evidence about how you (or your friends) personally behave whilst high doesn't provide any real worth. I provided a source, and not only this, but all you have to do is look at the effects of THC on the human body to know how it effects cognitive ability. I've never met or spoken to a pothead that would argue that they are safe drivers while impaired, but I suppose there is a first time for everything. [quote]I'm offended you say I drive like an old person. I always take caution when I see an older driver, as they seem to be damn scared on the road. That, weaving in and out of lane, driving too slow, not noticing it when you take over. [/quote] You say a lot of "I." I don't give a flying fuck what [B]you[/B] do. This applies to every person who thinks they can perform well while impaired by a substance. I don't care how you personally react to it, because evidence is clearly not in your favor. Of course you're going to be biased and make the claim that "oh I drive well so all potheads must drive well!" but that's just not the case. The numbers don't lie, and neither does the epidemiology of THC. [quote]You're telling me stoners do this? Get some experiences about it in real life before you come post walls again.[/quote] Getting defensive? [quote]How about getting some proof in the equation. Getting better lap-times while racing, better scores while playing shooters. That doesn't happen for me while drunk, only while high.[/quote] Evidence: "doubled risk of vehicle collisions whilst influenced by cannabis" Not Evidence: "i totally play video games better while high! i mean i cant prove it but believe me im a great gamer when blazed!" [quote]Next to that? I'm a designer. Sitting down for a design slightly intoxicated definitely speeds up my design and conceptual process, so i'd say in some sectors it can actually HELP work.[/quote] And Lewis Carroll did drugs while writing Alice in Wonderland. Sure psychotropic drugs help the flow of imagination, but that is a different process than making my pizza or driving heavy machinery or taking care of my grandmother in a nursing home. [quote]Though i'm not saying you're all wrong. I know of people who do genuinely drive shit while high, but, whoa big surprise, they drive shit sober too.[/quote] More anecdotal evidence and personal attacks. You don't need to use a drug to know the effects of it; all doctors should get high on opiates to know how morphine behaves in the human body.
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;43605298]Thanks for letting me know that i'm a pot addict. I didn't realize this. Oh wait. If you truly read trough my entire post you see i've even made a little mark about addiction. I've even quit weed multiple times (holiday to Singapore, kind of harsh punishments there), sometimes months on end. To say that my "addiction" would still be active then, would be naive. Cigarettes, however, I haven't been able to stop for a WEEK. I'd say the "addiction" some people think they have is simply the request for nicotine, while they then think they wanna smoke another doobie (if you roll with tobacco). THAT, was a learning point for me.[/QUOTE] That's why we have a distinction between 'psychological' and 'physical' addiction. Over this recent summer holiday I've been drinking a LOT of alcohol. Like at home. I'll just have a few beers, watch videos, play games, etc. Do I normally do this? No. Why am I doing it now? ... Because I'm fucking bored. The suburb I live in is devoid of anyone I know; it's devoid of anywhere to go, or anything to do (it's a newly developed suburb, it's not had the time for anything fun to appear). Alcohol makes the nights slightly less boring. Is this healthy? No, probably not, but on the nights I'm not drinking alcohol I don't crave it - I just feel more bored than normal. Things aren't quite as funny or novel as when I'm slightly tipsy or drunk. This is a psychological addiction. On the nights when I'm seeing friends (if I'm not drinking anyway because that's often what people do when they go out) I don't need or think about alcohol because I'm preoccupied - I'm having fun. When I go back to uni I won't be drinking just out of boredom because I'll spend the days occupied, and a lot of nights I'll have assignments to do (and if I don't I'll simply be chilling out, or working). If I lived on my own I honestly imagine I'd be smoking pot instead of drinking (well, I'd probalby be doing both on different nights). Psychological addictions aren't as difficult to overcome. You don't get the withdrawal effects that you do from a physical addiction. If I don't drink at the moment for days or weeks at a time I feel no physically negative effects. At the start of the holiday I spent a week to two weeks with a persistent headache, back aches, etc from caffeine withdrawal. That's a physical addiction. Sit there all you want and tell yourself it's perfectly healthy to smoke pot on a daily basis, but it's not. If you're doing it that often it's an addiction of some form. A psychological addiction is in many ways better than a physical one (and in some I think it's worse), and it may not show any true, negative effects when you stop it, but it's still an addiction, and you're still making an 'unnatural' psychological way of existing your baseline for existence which I think is fundamentally unhealthy. The entire point of doing drugs is to experience a different state of mind, and when that becomes your standard way of experiencing the universe you're missing the point entirely and aren't truly appreciating the effects of that substance.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;43594737]The only reason why alcohol is tolerated is because of the long history we have with it(socially accepted) and that there are huge companies behind it. Same thing with ciggaretes, it is very nasty stuff. Personally, it tastes disgusting(alcohol in general).[/QUOTE] Tribes have been using marijuana longer than we have been drinking alcohol(EDIT NOTE: What the fuck brain), or atleast somehow consuming marijuana. IIRC.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43599998]fuck it this is a statement that needs proper capitalization One of the big reasons people, like myself, dislike the concept of marijuana use, (or use of any recreational drug, alcohol included) is because one of our primary concerns as people who are reliant and bound by the choices of others, is that those who use these drugs, will do so while behind the wheel or while working. Of course, the argument is always, "well people who drink don't go to work drunk," and that's (most often) true; people who are heavy drinkers don't go to work drunk, and the legality of alcohol doesn't promote drunk driving or being intoxicated while working. However, there seems to be this mentality among cannabis users, (a trend among alcoholics as well) that the negative effects of marijuana use are [B]so[/B] minor, that they do not significantly detract from the abilities of the person who is using the drug. There seems to be this concept that, because marijuana is not as harmful as alcohol, that it's okay to go to work high; as if the slowness of thought processes was a less negative affect than the impulsive behavior caused by intoxication. The truth is, that this impairment of mental processes is just as dangerous as the effects of alcohol use, and just because someone is driving "only 10mph because blazed guys are too scared to speed!" doesn't mean that they aren't a danger to others. In fact, driving significantly under the speed limit is just as dangerous as driving significantly above the speed limit, and while the loss in cognitive speed may not inhibit the repetition of standard practices, (like stopping at a red light or stop sign) it becomes a massive threat when a non-standard issue comes up, like another speeding motorist, or a child who runs into the street, or a sudden change in traffic. That slowdown in mental process may prevent speeding, (for certain individuals; though everyone here is just using anecdotal evidence like "i dont speed when high, so no one that is high ever speeds!" or "my friend drives while high and he is great!") it severely inhibits the driver. You cannot drive defensively if you are under the influence of a psychotropic drug; period. It's not about speeding. It's about the clarity of thought that you lack when something out of the ordinary happens. You may be calm and relaxed and take things slow and cautiously, but everyone else is on regular speed; kids playing, cars driving, (and hell, speeding too) pedestrians turning. Just because [B]you[/B] think you're safer because you drive slowly, doesn't mean you react to others' actions in a thoughtful or safe way. Driving high is more like driving as a senior citizen; you're slow and careful, but you lack the cognitive speed to react appropriately in high stress or sudden situations. It's as bad as people who say "I'm not too drunk to drive" or "I drive better when drunk" and it is legitimately disgusting that anyone can try to justify it. I'm all for legalization, but people who think like this only give the effort a bad name by making these blanket generalizations about how people act while high.[/QUOTE] I focus more while stoned at work. my boss and pretty much every employee have joint breaks. we work way more efficiently after said joint breaks. so yeah i call bullshit on your whole 'impairment of the mental process' claim because it is definitely not the case and is proven 3 times a day by 20 odd workers and thats just the people i know. I've had my friend steer us out of a popped front tire on the highway while stoned. we got safely down a 30 foot overhang in reverse.
Try being drunk every single day for a year and compare it to being high every single day for a year :v:
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43605613]Try being drunk every single day for a year and compare it to being high every single day for a year :v:[/QUOTE] I'd rather the repercussions of a year of getting baked than the repercussions of a night of drinking wine.
@ Loriborn I knew you were going to post the fact that I have more anecdotal evidence than actual hard facts. And this is exactly how I posted it, so why the do you act like i'm posting facts? I'm posting my experiences on it, take it how you wish (or, not at all, apparently). As for video-games, i'm not so retarded as to think this is applicable in real life. Though numbers don't lie, and lap times are numbers, last time I checked. Ok, for the last statement, maybe I shouldn't have posted about the people I know about. And don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it should be legal whilst driving high. I'm just saying some people perform perfectly okay while driving, compared to SOBER people driving. In retrospect, I shouldn't have added the driving into the debate anyway. @ sltlamina Who's saying i'm not currently doing it because i'm bored, just as you drink while bored? Maybe then I got psychological addiction wrong, but as long as i'm not craving it badly while sober, and can still perform my daily tasks without much distraction while sober, I wouldn't call it an addiction. Neighter for you, on alcohol, for that matter. Let me ask you two a question, what actually IS your point of view on it? Legalization or prohibition?
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;43605581]I focus more while stoned at work. my boss and pretty much every employee have joint breaks. we work way more efficiently after said joint breaks. so yeah i call bullshit on your whole 'impairment of the mental process' claim because it is definitely not the case and is proven 3 times a day by 20 odd workers and thats just the people i know. I've had my friend steer us out of a popped front tire on the highway while stoned. we got safely down a 30 foot overhang in reverse.[/QUOTE] I trust the medical journal's reports on the effects of THC more than I trust the anecdotal statements of a heavy drug user, no offense intended.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43605670]I trust the reports on the effects of THC more than I trust the anecdotal statements of a heavy drug user, no offense intended.[/QUOTE] Because the reports must all be truthful and in no way biased by the major media companies. This is the mis-information I was talking about. You clearly missed my initial point.
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;43605669] Though numbers don't lie, and lap times are numbers, last time I checked.[/QUOTE] lol wut [quote]Let me ask you two a question, what actually IS your point of view on it? Legalization or prohibition?[/quote] Legalization; but knuckleheads like the one in this thread who think they can operate heavy machinery while high, or go to work and perform tasks that could result in harm to another person, are incredibly selfish and naive if they think that there is no cognitive impairment. I'm all for recreational use, but the moment someone starts getting stoned and doing something that could get me or people I know hurt, I step back and affirm that at that point people are no longer speaking sensibly, and are letting their addiction to their substances get in the way of the facts. [QUOTE=MyAlt91;43605696]Because the reports must all be truthful and in no way biased by the major media companies. This is the mis-information I was talking about. You clearly missed my initial point.[/QUOTE] ooh conspiracy theories~ The effects of THC are well documented by multiple peer reviewed studies all across the globe; including studies in countries where pot is legal. Wallstreet and Walmart and "The man" aren't trying to take away your dope.
It's not a 'problem' if it's not actually interfering with your daily life - by all means if you can do heroin on a daily basis and still be a functioning, productive member of society and that's what you REALLY want to do, then by all means do so. I still don't think that it's psychologically healthy even if you can handle it (I still insist that mind altering drugs should be used sparingly and to modify your normal baseline of existing, not to replace it altogether), but if you can deal with it and be functonal, productive and not put other people at risk too then by all means do so if you really want to. My stance would be leaning more towards legalisation. Decriminilisation perhaps - I don't know if outright legalisation would be the best idea, but decriminilisation has been shown to have some promising results in places.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43605708] I'm all for recreational use, but the moment someone starts getting stoned and doing something that could get me or people I know hurt, I step back and affirm that at that point people are no longer speaking sensibly, and are letting their addiction to their substances get in the way of the facts. [/QUOTE] Alright, fair enough [QUOTE=Loriborn;43605708] ooh conspiracy theories~[/QUOTE] Do you even visit the same sensational-headlines as I do bro. [quote=Loriborn] The effects of THC are well documented by multiple peer reviewed studies all across the globe; including studies in countries where pot is legal. Wallstreet and Walmart and "The man" aren't trying to take away your dope. [/quote] And yet 750.000 people every year get arrested in your country because of it.
[QUOTE=x_xPwntx_x;43604972]Does this statement have any sort of actual implications for legalization or will it end up being largely ignored? Also, in my opinion, I'm against driving under any sort of influence. I'm a large believer that people know what their bodies are capable of and what they can and can not handle, but I classify driving while high the same as driving while drunk. While doing so while high, I acknowledge, is LESS risky, it's still not something I'm comfortable with, when someone could be so baked that they can hardly get off the couch plans to get behind the wheel because "Bro, I can totally handle it." That being said, I'm still absolutely pro-weed. To the point my friends probably hate me for being so outspoken for it. Glad to hear someone in a position so powerful as Obama's actually came out to say something as potentially controversial as that. The benefits of last term presidency, right?[/QUOTE] Well normally when rhetoric shifts slightly like this with politicians it normally means they're gradually moving their position rather than doing it suddenly and shocking the members of the public who aren't as sympathetic to whatever cause it is. He doesn't want to come out and say "weed is great" or "weed is much safer than alcohol" because that would bring more controversy than pussyfooting like this and may hit his popularity.
Here´s an interesting thing to ponder for you guys. It seems Monsanto is getting involved in GMO weed. Now does it surprise you so much that governments are more willing to accept the idea of legalizing it? Food for thought.
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;43605725]And yet 750.000 people every year get arrested in your country because of it.[/QUOTE] Just because it's against the law, doesn't mean the facts are falsified. Yes, the legislation criminalizing marijuana use is a poor remnant of cold war commercialism, but that doesn't negate the thousands of medical studies that have been done all over the world. The misinformation exists, but this misinformation doesn't spawn from the medical journals, it spawns from the politicians and criminalization advocates that twist the facts in order to make pot seem worse than it really is. However, this doesn't mean the real negative effects are false. If you're going to argue that the negative effects are falsified for the sake of keeping pot illegal, than you should just as easily argue that the positive effects of pot, [b]mentioned in the same journals[/b] are also false. It goes both ways. [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Cormyr;43605833]Here´s an interesting thing to ponder for you guys. It seems Monsanto is getting involved in GMO weed. Now does it surprise you so much that governments are more willing to accept the idea of legalizing it? Food for thought.[/QUOTE] It isn't surprising, but it isn't because of Monsanto. Yes, the company is the "big bad wolf" of the corporation world, and I've written numerous papers on them, but there isn't a correlation between the states legalizing it, and Monsanto moving into the GMO marijuana market. If anything, the legalization in the states is what influenced Monsanto's decision to get into the market, not the other way around; even then, Monsanto has taken very few steps into the market and there is no evidence to suggest they are getting involved any time soon.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43605835]It isn't surprising, but it isn't because of Monsanto. Yes, the company is the "big bad wolf" of the corporation world, and I've written numerous papers on them, but there isn't a correlation between the states legalizing it, and Monsanto moving into the GMO marijuana market. If anything, the legalization in the states is what influenced Monsanto's decision to get into the market, not the other way around; even then, Monsanto has taken very few steps into the market and there is no evidence to suggest they are getting involved any time soon.[/QUOTE] Well if there was a correlation between the two, we probably would not know about it. At least not now. No doubt you´re right and Monsanto is getting into it because of US decisions. What about Uruguay? Anyways, point is.. Monsanto is getting into GMO weed. I for one am not too excited about that (not happy about their other endeavors either mind you...), regardless if I smoke the stuff or not. Just don´t want them to be MORE successful. :(
Driving under the influence of cannabis should not be allowed and should be enforced just as if you were driving drunk - but I will say that driving when high is far from as dangerous as driving drunk and probably even less dangerous than driving while being tired.
I don't approve of marijuana. I never have. But to say that it's as harmful as alcohol? Even I know that's not true. Generally speaking, marijuana can be categorized into stress relief without long-term harmful effects. I mean, having someone operate machinery while under the influence of marijuana is probably not a good idea, but alcohol is definitely more detrimental to pretty much every aspect of what pot can also do to you.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43605670]I trust the medical journal's reports on the effects of THC more than I trust the anecdotal statements of a heavy drug user, no offense intended.[/QUOTE] These "heavy drug users" are the reason you americans get godlike atlantic canadian seafoods non-fucking-stop. We've broken seafood unloading records while baked so don't tell me. also show us these trusted medical journals
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;43606187]These "heavy drug users" are the reason you americans get godlike atlantic canadian seafoods non-fucking-stop. We've broken seafood unloading records while baked so don't tell me. also show us these trusted medical journals[/QUOTE] Your personal story on how you/your friends got 420blazeit baked but still physically/mentally performed well doesn't apply to everyone. Unless you have statistics to back it up, anecdotes don't replace evidence.
[QUOTE=SteakStyles;43594817]It may not be as dangerous as drinking, but it sure can make you say some.......... odd things as if you were drunk. My brother smokes it and to name but one instance, after smoking went on a 3 hour lecture about the benefits of him genetically engineering a race of Cactus People.[/QUOTE] You see, the bonus of Weed over Booze is that weed is recreational even for the surrounding people who did not smoke any of it. Alcohol is only fun when you drink with everyone else. Booze 0 - Weed 1 ! On a more serious note, legally speaking marijuana should be on the exact same level as alcohol. Legal age on purchasing and consuming it, illegal to work, drive or loiter on the public place while under the influence.
I really think you can do whatever you want when you're high, but you are going to go a little slower, and that's pretty much just that. I can draw and get extremely creative while high, being productive, but it's not as fast as I could if sober. But the ideas are a lot more interesting. Point is I think while on it you're more lazy but CAN be productive if you really try. Being lazy afterwards is not the drug affecting you, that's you just being a lazy fuck in general. I know people who work more than 100 hours a week and smoke pot as a break afterwards.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;43606187]These "heavy drug users" are the reason you americans get godlike atlantic canadian seafoods non-fucking-stop. We've broken seafood unloading records while baked so don't tell me. also show us these trusted medical journals[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/April/medical-marijuana-and-the-mind"]Harvard Medical Journal[/URL] [URL="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1080/09595230412331289482/abstract;jsessionid=4C0D1A64020B403087660F9D38629AB3.f04t01"]Kelly, Darke, and Ross[/URL] [URL="http://bookshop.europa.eu/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/EU-Bookshop-Site/en_GB/-/EUR/ViewPublication-Start?PublicationKey=TD3207001"]EMCDDA[/URL] [URL="http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/2012/02/09/acute-cannabis-consumption-and-motor-vehicle-collision-risk"]British Medical Journal[/URL] To be fair, I only own the EMCDDA book, (class required it and so I have a slew of hefty books that have no other purpose than to help me in situations like this) but the other three sources can be found free online, the Kelly, Darke and Ross publication can be found if you have a valid college ID that has a library that includes it. (most do) There are more but these do the job fine and most of the research papers are behind paywalls that you can only access if you have a library/school that has access to them. (but you do get an abstract; fortunately my workplace gives me access to these) I frankly trust Harvard Medical far more than I trust a pothead to give me unbiased facts on the effects of THC.
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