• The Art of Total War book reveals Total War: Warhammer is on the works
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I would love to have an Ork advisor. EY! DEH BOYZ ARE RETREATIN. WHUT A PATHETIC SHOW!
While I know this is going to be fantasy, I think a 40K Total War would work out - just the majority of units would be missile units and battles would take place over larger distances, and an even bigger focus on tactics because charging out of cover into bolter fire is a bad idea. Not sure how air units might be handled though.
[QUOTE=Deng;46933259]You do realise that a fairly successful WW1 mod has been made for Napoleon right?[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, so far in my France campaign I've been able to steamroll the Germans with armies made entirely of conscripts placed in the right location.
[QUOTE=bdd458;46933413]what? Have you even played Fall of the Samurai? Gatling Guns, sea barrages, fast loading rifles. Quite a time after the Napoleonic Wars. The Great War mod for N:TW is excellent as well, especially considering all the limitations they had to work with. A WWI game can work, as long as thought is put into it. And what's so great is the time period, the weapons, the people, the uniforms, the politics, really everything about it. It was the true birth of the modern world. It was far more than "hurr durr sit in a trench and die!!!!", especially when looking at the late war and early war periods on the Western Front. The Eastern Front was also a bit more mobile than the Western, there was the stuff the Middle East (Lawrence of Arabia ring a bell?), Galician Front, Italian Front, and in Africa. There is so much they could fucking do with it, but people are too quick to dismiss it as "hurr durr sit around in a trench and do nothing!!!!". Like for example, they wouldn't need to railroad it into evolving into Trench Warfare, they could have a different tech tree where things went differently, but using the actual war as a basis for the game.[/QUOTE] Fall of the Samurai is not very fun when both sides have giant blocks of modernized Line Infantry because whoever shoots first wins. Your troops don't use cover or maneuver in anything less than a company formation, so you're stuck using Napoleonic tactics with colonial-era troops and technology. Which is pretty much the point RainbowStalin is making. The TW battle style is deliberately constructed for a style of warfare that ended in the mid-1800s. FotS only works for a later era because it focuses on a technologically stagnant culture that wasn't at all equivalent to its European contemporaries. They could do a more modern setting in the Total War engine but they'd have to ditch the formation movement and probably radically redesign the command system to use smaller units of maneuver than the company or regiment, and I can't see that working out too well.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46936863]Fall of the Samurai is not very fun when both sides have giant blocks of modernized Line Infantry because whoever shoots first wins. [/quote] Except its not. For example, probably my favorite Total War battle ever was in FoTS. I was stuck in a foggy valley, and my opponent on top of a hill opposite of my position. I had more troops, than the enemy, and in a few cases more advanced units (especially arty). What it turned into was the AI moving off the hill down into the valley. I got the first shots off, but I eventually lost. Why? Because the AI out maneuvered me. It ganged up where it needed to, and was honestly top notch. Yet I shot first. FoTS and on isn't about who shot first, it's about effective maneuvering, much more so than the sword era games, which I can just as easily boil down to who can do the Hammer and Anvil fastest. So no, again, it would work. This has been easily demonstrated by both FotS and TGW. As well, considering in FoTS you eventually get Gatling Guns, and its far more about actually progressing technology, your point about that's why it works is moot.
[QUOTE=ijyt;46929348]Take it you haven't read the latest End Times book then :v:[/QUOTE] I'm actually a little shocked that [sp]Thorgrim died and Ungrim might replace him as high king.[/sp]
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