Sad: Boston cops seize 1 ton of marijuana from man's apartment - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22457186]Wow, gamers need to chill the fuck out, go play some halo for christ sake. In fact it's you gamers that make me hope video games become illegal, I have no problem with it, as long as you don't act like a fuckhead, except you do. It's you assholes who are so goddamn militant about it, how dare someone tell you something you regularly play is bad! how fucking DARE they have a different opinion than you! Fact of the matter is I wish people would shut the fuck up about games, I'm pretty goddamn sick of nerdy ass highschool kids talking about elves and terrorists and generally being complete fuckheads. I hope video games become illegal, you fuckheads are REALLY annoying, especially when anyone insults your game. Also while there may not be any MEDICAL ramifications I cannot count the number of times I have seen or heard of people blowing of plans because they were off killing orcs and forgot, or showing up to hang out with people to play a stupid game and making a general fuckwit of yourself. God dammit you gamers are irritating. [/QUOTE] I like how you changed everything to make fun of a group I find equally annoying, thanks for that.

[QUOTE=Zatharon;22457400]I like how you changed everything to make fun of a group I find equally annoying, thanks for that.[/QUOTE] So you think video games should be illegal because gamers are annoying? Also, I wasn't making fun of gamers, I was making fun of you.

[QUOTE=Zatharon;22457400]I like how you changed everything to make fun of a group I find equally annoying, thanks for that.[/QUOTE] Do you have any fun in life, or does 90% of your life accumulate to just be empty bitching?

[QUOTE=Handsome Pete;22363208]that is a fucking lot of weed[/QUOTE] Had no idea

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22457372]Yes, by purchasing marijuana I haven't hurt anyone else. I haven't infringed upon anyone else's rights.[/QUOTE] But, you just agreed that their is crime related to marijuana. So I don't understand. Do you just blatantly choose to ignore this fact that by exchanging money for marijuana you are supporting the injustice of other people? Or can you just really not understand that concept?

[QUOTE=Paravin;22376301]You're funny. :unsmith:[/QUOTE] You make my headaches worse

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22457425]Do you have any fun in life, or does 90% of your life accumulate to just be empty bitching?[/QUOTE] Because since I don't play lots of videogames or smoke shitloads of weed I don't have any fun in life. [QUOTE=yawmwen;22457419]So you think video games should be illegal because gamers are annoying? Also, I wasn't making fun of gamers, I was making fun of you.[/QUOTE] Well you did a shitty job of it, also notice how I never said I agree with your edits, just that I find hardcore gamers annoying.

That is alot of mad buds.

yay another tun of gud shit too wayst

[QUOTE=Squad;22457450]But, you just agreed that their is crime related to marijuana. So I don't understand. Do you just blatantly choose to ignore this fact that by exchanging money for marijuana you are supporting the injustice of other people? Or can you just really not understand that concept?[/QUOTE] I guess you have no fucking clue that there is such a thing as a victimless crime. Calm the fuck down. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zatharon;22457531]Because since I don't play lots of videogames or smoke shitloads of weed I don't have any fun in life. Well you did a shitty job of it, also notice how I never said I agree with your edits, just that I find hardcore gamers annoying.[/QUOTE] No, but by bitching, judging, and complaining about things that barely effect you at all, Im sure that cuts out the fun factor.

[QUOTE=Squad;22457450]But, you just agreed that their is crime related to marijuana. So I don't understand. [/quote] Crime is related to a lot of things, some very legal. [quote]Do you just blatantly choose to ignore this fact that by exchanging money for marijuana you are supporting the injustice of other people? Or can you just really not understand that concept?[/QUOTE] I understand the concept more than you think. I have thought about that concept and still think about it when thinking about whether something is right or not. My general conclusion is that I am not directly doing something, I am not guilty. Although my real answer could practically be a book because each situation is so different. So I will put it like this. Most of the shit you have in your house is manufactured in China, where children often work for pennies a day. Does that mean by buying all that shit you are responsible for those children in China? In my opinion you are very indirectly, but to the point where it is not morally wrong to do so. You are not harming someone by buying that, except in a very indirect sense. [editline]05:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zatharon;22457531] Well you did a shitty job of it, also notice how I never said I agree with your edits, just that I find hardcore gamers annoying.[/QUOTE] If you don't think video games should be illegal then I think I did an alright job. If you do think video games should be illegal then I think you are doing a good job making yourself look like an even bigger fuckwit than the hardcore gamers and hardcore stoners combined(which I can agree that both are pretty fucking annoying a lot of the time).

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22457590]I guess you have no fucking clue that there is such a thing as a victimless crime. Calm the fuck down. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] No, but by bitching, judging, and complaining about things that barely effect you at all, Im sure that cuts out the fun factor.[/QUOTE] No, I am super calm. I could care less about the legalization of marijuana. My point was that there are people who do lose their lives because of marijuana. People who try to steal marijuana from other people, or marijuana that is grown in other countries were people may or may not lose their lives. I have seen people shot over these drugs. You are right though, victimless crime.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22457590]I guess you have no fucking clue that there is such a thing as a victimless crime. Calm the fuck down. [/QUOTE] He seems more reasonable. From what I've seen our discussion seems a lot more civil than most drug arguments.

[QUOTE=Squad;22457636]No, I am super calm. I could care less about the legalization of marijuana. My point was that there are people who do lose their lives because of marijuana. People who try to steal marijuana from other people, or marijuana that is grown in other countries were people may or may not lose their lives. I have seen people shot over these drugs. You are right though, victimless crime.[/QUOTE] Smoking marijuana = Victimless crime. Buying it might not be, its Dependant on the situation, but [b]those deaths, and lives are due to its legality, not the substance itself. You want to bitch and complain about how people are dying over marijuana? They aren't dying over marijuana, they're dying over its legality. Don't care about the legality? Then don't argue. You have circular logic and need to cut it out.[/b]

...christ.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22457664]Smoking marijuana = Victimless crime. Buying it might not be, its Dependant on the situation, but [b]those deaths, and lives are due to its legality, not the substance itself. You want to bitch and complain about how people are dying over marijuana? They aren't dying over marijuana, they're dying over its legality. Don't care about the legality? Then don't argue. You have circular logic and need to cut it out.[/b][/QUOTE] You obviously didn't understand the discussion between me and the other guy. So I will just cut you out.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22457590] No, but by bitching, judging, and complaining about things that barely effect you at all, Im sure that cuts out the fun factor.[/QUOTE] You know, I tried really hard for the entirety of my highschool career to not judge pot smokers and to just leave them be and let them do their thing, and I wouldn't have had a problem with it if they had just gotten high on their own time and left me alone, I guess I've had one to many experiences where someone showed up to a social event high and pissed everyone else off by being an idiot, or maybe when I had a project I needed to get done for a class that some people needed to help me with, except they were too busy getting high, you see, they way I see it, if everyone your around is high, go ahead, knock yourself out, have a blast, but when your high and hanging out with a bunch of sober people, while you might be having a grand old time, your acting like an idiot an being annoying. I've seen drunk people act more intelligently than high people. Now, let it be said, I don't care about the plant itself, I think its just fine and dandy, it's the people who use it I hate.

[QUOTE=Squad;22457676]You obviously didn't understand the discussion between me and the other guy. So I will just cut you out.[/QUOTE] No, I understand the conversation perfectly. you are saying it is the sale and purchase of it in a black market setting that is funding crime. You are 100% right. Almost every time, unless you are buying from a grower/seller combo who is self sufficient mostly, you are funding crime. Sure, this kills people. No argument there. Does this have any impact on its legality? You can argue this a million times around, and please do, but it is solely its legality at fault for deaths. [editline]10:42PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zatharon;22457724]You know, I tried really hard for the entirety of my highschool career to not judge pot smokers and to just leave them be and let them do their thing, and I wouldn't have had a problem with it if they had just gotten high on their own time and left me alone, I guess I've had one to many experiences where someone showed up to a social event high and pissed everyone else off by being an idiot, or maybe when I had a project I needed to get done for a class that some people needed to help me with, except they were too busy getting high, you see, they way I see it, if everyone your around is high, go ahead, knock yourself out, have a blast, but when your high and hanging out with a bunch of sober people, while you might be having a grand old time, your acting like an idiot an being annoying. I've seen drunk people act more intelligently than high people. Now, let it be said, I don't care about the plant itself, I think its just fine and dandy, it's the people who use it I hate.[/QUOTE] I cant fault you for that, but maybe you should loosen up? I spent the majority of my high school years and saw hundreds of kids high and maybe it was just the people I hung out with, but no one was ever annoying because of pot. All people are different, but dont hate everyone just because the people you know are terrible.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22457752]No, I understand the conversation perfectly. you are saying it is the sale and purchase of it in a black market setting that is funding crime. You are 100% right. Almost every time, unless you are buying from a grower/seller combo who is self sufficient mostly, you are funding crime. Sure, this kills people. No argument there. Does this have any impact on its legality? You can argue this a million times around, and please do, but it is solely its legality at fault for deaths.[/QUOTE] Which proves my point you didn't understand what we were talking about. His belief was that a persons rights end when you affect someone else negatively. Or something like that. My argument was that, by purchasing marijuana he is hurting other people by funding the crime. He responded and clarified his belief that he believes as long as he isn't directly involved it doesn't matter. You jumped down my throat about something that wasn't even remotely close to what we were discussing. The legality was brought up, because I created a hypothetical situation where someone would say that the crime is caused by the legality, WHICH I said doesn't justify the belief. My point was that someone would try to justify it by saying that. Which didn't make any sense, because that is like saying "No, you shouldn't kill someone because you are harming someone else"... "But weed is illegal so because I fund the crime, it doesn't matter because the crime wouldn't exist if it was legal." But it doesn't matter because you are still harming someone, whether or not it is illegal. So I thought of it as a bit of a double standard. However, he replied clarifying his belief, which I had no problem with. That is when you chimed in with the typical marijuana supported crap and had no idea what you were talking about. Which is why marijuana is illegal, because people support it stupidly.

[QUOTE=Squad;22457865]Which proves my point you didn't understand what we were talking about. His belief was that a persons rights end when you affect someone else negatively. Or something like that. My argument was that, by purchasing marijuana he is hurting other people by funding the crime. He responded and clarified his belief that he believes as long as he isn't directly involved it doesn't matter. You jumped down my throat about something that wasn't even remotely close to what we were discussing. The legality was brought up, because I created a hypothetical situation where someone would say that the crime is caused by the legality, WHICH I said doesn't justify the belief. My point was that someone would try to justify it by saying that. Which didn't make any sense, because that is like saying "No, you shouldn't kill someone because you are harming someone else"... "But weed is illegal so because I fund the crime, it doesn't matter because the crime wouldn't exist if it was legal." But it doesn't matter because you are still harming someone, whether or not it is illegal. So I thought of it as a bit of a double standard. However, he replied clarifying his belief, which I had no problem with. That is when you chimed in with the typical marijuana supported crap and had no idea what you were talking about. Which is why marijuana is illegal, because people support it stupidly.[/QUOTE] How am I supporting it stupidly? Explain, please do. Am I wrong for thinking, that if marijuana was not illegal, it would not be on the black market funding criminal activities? As yawmwen even said, when you buy things from china, are you not indirectly funding near slavery? When and where do you draw the line? In the case of marijuana, its dubious, and depends on the situation. When did I imply anything else? Are you just looking for a reason to call me stupid because I dont agree with your views?

Our conversation wasn't as much about pot itself, but about the philosophy of our liberties. If you look at the first post of his I replied to you can see that our argument wasn't really about pot itself but about when our rights end and begin. Marijuana was just the topic of the thread so our slightly off-topic discussion had marijuana as the main hypothetical.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22457906]How am I supporting it stupidly? Explain, please do. Am I wrong for thinking, that if marijuana was not illegal, it would not be on the black market funding criminal activities? As yawmwen even said, when you buy things from china, are you not indirectly funding near slavery? When and where do you draw the line? In the case of marijuana, its dubious, and depends on the situation. When did I imply anything else? Are you just looking for a reason to call me stupid because I dont agree with your views?[/QUOTE] Well, I am going to end this here. If you wish to go back and read over what you said at the beginning, you would realize you were arguing a point of a different subject. I don't care whether or not you agree with my views. I don't know how much clearer I could make this. We were discussing a belief he stated. I was only discussing the belief and not the legality of marijuana. You came in and said that smoking weed is a victimless crime, which we weren't arguing over whether smoking marijuana is a victimless crime or not. We were talking about supporting the entire industry in its entirety. Anyways, I already said he clarified his point and I had nothing further to say to him because he defended his belief and that is all I was looking for. You on the other hand just can't seem to grasp that you weren't even close to the targeted discussion.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22457982]Our conversation wasn't as much about pot itself, but about the philosophy of our liberties. If you look at the first post of his I replied to you can see that our argument wasn't really about pot itself but about when our rights end and begin. Marijuana was just the topic of the thread so our slightly off-topic discussion had marijuana as the main hypothetical.[/QUOTE] I understand, I'm sure I came in/off wrong, but I understand. I still don't agree that its wrong, I buy directly off a grower I grew up with, it doesn't fund crime, it funds him. I'm putting him through college.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22458010]I understand, I'm sure I came in/off wrong, but I understand. I still don't agree that its wrong, I buy directly off a grower I grew up with, it doesn't fund crime, it funds him. I'm putting him through college.[/QUOTE] Technically that grower is a criminal, so you are funding crime. I have no problem with that, I don't believe laws define what is right and wrong, only what the government will allow you to do on threat of imprisonment or death.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22458032]Technically that grower is a criminal, so you are funding crime. I have no problem with that, I don't believe laws define what is right and wrong, only what the government will allow you to do on threat of imprisonment or death.[/QUOTE] It doesn't fund organized crime to clarify. Personally, its legality, at least in Canada, is likely to change very soon.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22458053]It doesn't fund organized crime to clarify. Personally, its legality, at least in Canada, is likely to change very soon.[/QUOTE] I'm hoping the legality changes in California as well. It would set an excellent precedent and could pave the way for Washington(my state) legalizing it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22458084]I'm hoping the legality changes in California as well. It would set an excellent precedent and could pave the way for Washington(my state) legalizing it.[/QUOTE] I am far more worried about how the federal government is going to handle individual states doing what theyre supposed to do, and governing themselves.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22458084]I'm hoping the legality changes in California as well. It would set an excellent precedent and could pave the way for Washington(my state) legalizing it.[/QUOTE] There's petitions going around to get it on the Washington ballot: [url]http://sensiblewashington.org/[/url] It's been all donations and volunteering.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22458108]I am far more worried about how the federal government is going to handle individual states doing what theyre supposed to do, and governing themselves.[/QUOTE] Well, Obama isn't attacking medical users anymore, so that is a good sign at least. I'm hoping the feds just stay out of the states business, but that isn't likely to happen, and I doubt the feds are going to allow it without a fight. [QUOTE=GunsNRoses;22458115]There's petitions going around to get it on the Washington ballot: [URL]http://sensiblewashington.org/[/URL] It's been all donations and volunteering.[/QUOTE] I know, I saw some old guy down at Wal Mart trying to get signatures about a month ago.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22457752] I cant fault you for that, but maybe you should loosen up? I spent the majority of my high school years and saw hundreds of kids high and maybe it was just the people I hung out with, but no one was ever annoying because of pot. All people are different, but dont hate everyone just because the people you know are terrible.[/QUOTE] I apologize for having lost my temper a bit, perhaps it's just the people I know who are annoying, perhaps I've just been unlucky with the pot smokers I know. The only thing that just absolutely pisses me off, I can handle the idiocy and the annoying bits, those are just annoying, but the way most people defend it, by getting angry and calling everyone who doesn't suport it blind sheep and fucking idiots without having any solid supports for their argument (note, I'm not accusing you of doing this, however many pro-weed people do). But as interesting as this discussion has been it's about 2 am and I've got work to do in the morning, so I shall wash my hands of this.