[QUOTE=Megafan;38608139]When has anything having to do with principles or human rights not done this? If you shy away from a problem because it may start an argument, you have no business criticizing others who are willing to tackle it.[/QUOTE]
once again i agree and understand what you're saying, but trying to induce a parental upheaval over something as small and insignificant as a piece of skin is not worth it when you know that nothing's gonna change.
i mean like you(as in the people who hold this view) could've been saving kittens and walking elderly ladies with all this time you spent arguing in a medium that doesn't count for shit. that would've been more productive. not saying i like how it is, but there's no denying it.
[editline]26th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Yahnich;38608142]i forgot american laws work differently[/QUOTE]
sucks, doesn't it?
[QUOTE=stupid10er;38608194]once again i agree and understand what you're saying, but trying to induce a parental upheaval over something as small and insignificant as a piece of skin is not worth it when you know that nothing's gonna change.[/quote]
It's only small and insignificant when you treat it as small and insignificant.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;38608194]i mean like you(as in the people who hold this view) could've been saving kittens and walking elderly ladies with all this time you spent arguing in a medium that doesn't count for shit. that would've been more productive. not saying i like how it is, but there's no denying it.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what fantasy world you're living in to a. claim that sort of thing, even in jest, and b. act like words on the internet are somehow not words.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;38608042]Circumcision has been well-documented to cause psychological trauma.[/QUOTE]
I AM PSYCHOLOGICALLY BROKEN BECAUSE MUH MEATSOCK IS GONE ABLOOBLOO
While I completely agree it should be the choice of an adult, and not the parents, I'm pretty happy my parents had me cut at birth. I mean I know I'm used to it being the way it is, but I'd imagine it's a bit easier to keep clean this way. My parents reasoning was that my dad had to have it done when he was older due to medical reasons (that they believed may somehow get passed down to me, which is unlikely) and they didn't want me to have to deal with it at any point in my life. Either way though, I'm fine with it being cut without my say, but I do agree that it should be left up to the person as an adult.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;38605036]So how is a circumcision very different than genital mutilation anyway?[/QUOTE] Circumcision IS genital mutilation.
[editline]27th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dalto11;38608293]While I completely agree it should be the choice of an adult, and not the parents, I'm pretty happy my parents had me cut at birth. I mean I know I'm used to it being the way it is, but I'd imagine it's a bit easier to keep clean this way. My parents reasoning was that my dad had to have it done when he was older due to medical reasons (that they believed may somehow get passed down to me, which is unlikely) and they didn't want me to have to deal with it at any point in my life. Either way though, I'm fine with it being cut without my say, but I do agree that it should be left up to the person as an adult.[/QUOTE]
You know that cleaning it takes like two seconds, right? It's not difficult.
Personally I'd like to see circumcision to be something that is a personal decision of the male himself. As the Penn & Teller documentary noted by the American Pediatric Assoc, there are no significant health benefits from circumcision (Ergo, no real bang for your buck, or in this case pain)
Either way, if I had a son, I wouldn't want to see him in pain, as any good parent would want. Moving on from emotional reasoning, there seems to be an overlooked logical fallacy. What is the point of circumcision at an early age? Just for cleaning purposes?
If the main medical reasoning is for reduced opportunity of transmission or receiving an STD, then I fail to see why its performed on babies. They aren't going to be sexually active for several years (Not including masturbation, I'm referring to actual sex). Once a parent gives their child the talk, I believe is an opportune time to tell them about circumcision and give the Pros/Cons. Not in a way to bias the child, but to [I]educate[/I] them just as we are educated about condoms and STDs. It may be a heavy choice for say an early teen, but considering today's society, it seems pretty understandable.
Also on a personal note I find it highly irritating that its also done for "aesthetic reasons" and that "it attracts more ladies". If that is the only reason you are justifying your son's circumscion then that is very shallow of you. Call this exaggerated but see my point when I say, if a woman makes it the deciding factor to have a relationship with you due to your circumcised or non-circumcised penis then I would like to label that as very shallow (You see where I'm going with this)
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;38608460]Circumcision IS genital mutilation.[/QUOTE]
It's a piece of skin. You're aren't going to miss it.
That is to say if it's done by a professional.
[QUOTE=Zet;38609324]It's a piece of skin. You're aren't going to miss it.[/QUOTE]
It is a natural part of genitalia that serves the purpose of providing extra lubrication. You lose nerves in the process.
Your finger is just a piece of flesh. You aren't going to miss it.
That is to say if it's done by a professional.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain why not remembering the pain justifies torturing a baby for the sake of aesthetics or religion.
[QUOTE=Zet;38609324]It's a piece of skin. You're aren't going to miss it.
That is to say if it's done by a professional.[/QUOTE]
I should cut off the earlobes off my children. After all, it's just skin and they aren't going to miss it
Also, you're full of shit because you have a shitload of nerves in your foreskin and it's there for a [I]reason[/I]
[QUOTE=Zet;38605346]When I was a baby I can assure you that I did not give a single fuck when I was circumcised. Plus girls I've been with said that they prefer a circumcised guy.[/QUOTE]
The world doesn't revolve around you, mate. This is more serious then what you're thinking.
By any chance do you think it's possible for you to accept the fact that some people see nothing wrong with circumcision? Yes I know fuck ups like this can happen because they're done by non-professionals, and mostly done at home instead of a hospital.
[QUOTE=sixtyten;38608262]I AM UNABLE TO FORM AN ARGUMENT[/QUOTE]
All I heard
[QUOTE=Zet;38609408]By any chance do you think it's possible for you to accept the fact that some people see nothing wrong with circumcision? Yes I know fuck ups like this can happen because they're done by non-professionals, and mostly done at home instead of a hospital.[/QUOTE]
Imagine that we cut out the labida minora of women, just because we thought it made them look better. It wouldn't really affect them in any permanent way, but it'd still be fucked up and barbaric [I]because the body was meant to be that way[/I] and any decisions like that should be made BY THE PERSON.
Same thing with cutting off earlobes at birth, or removing the last segment from pinkies. It's just fucking stupid.
[editline]27th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;38608627]Two seconds? It takes me at least 10 minutes to clean mine. Sometimes 20.
I'm very thorough.[/QUOTE]
Apply soap
apply water
yer done
No consent, may not like it later on (suicide)¹
Creating suffering
Detrimental to the state of that individual (from non existent to existing; capable of being deprived)¹
May cause death
These are the same arguments you could present to people who have the power to give birth¹.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;38605882]because circumcision has health reasons for being needed.[/QUOTE]
Awesome, I'm gonna have them give me new kidneys just because they -might- fail in the future.
[QUOTE=Painseeker;38601949]17 here and I'm having my operation next month for health reasons.
Feels bad, man.[/QUOTE]
I'm in my 2nd week post-circumcision.
The pain is only really bad the first day, the other's you'll be pretty numbed by the meds.
The worst part is not being able to wank.
You'll be fine!
[QUOTE=kattolil;38610184]I'm in my 2nd week post-circumcision.
The pain is only really bad the first day, the other's you'll be pretty numbed by the meds.
The worst part is not being able to wank.
You'll be fine![/QUOTE]
Looked at any porn lately?
Don't you just want to wank right now?
[QUOTE=stupid10er;38602043]jesus christ every time facepunch has the chance to talk about circumcisions, there's always a bitch fest like the first few posts. are you really going to sit there and act like circumcision is a crime against humanity? let me guess, your parents having your dick cut is the reason why everything's gone wrong in your life as well as the reason why no female will come within 20 miles of your genitals?
grow up facepunch[/QUOTE]
I like your name
Now, don't get me wrong, I really do wish that criminalizing circumcision would kill the problem right then and there, but wouldn't that just force some parents to use unlicensed and shady means of having the foreskin removed? I mean, you'd convince most parents not to circumcise, but what about the fundamentalists and the absurdly devoted?
It all stinks (a lot like you'd expect a pile of severed foreskins to, actually), but just immediately jumping to criminalizing it isn't gonna help. There needs to be more education on it, so that parents can naturally separate with the idea, [I]then[/I] you make it illegal. There'll no doubt still be dumbass parents doing underground circumcisions, but at least there won't be as many.
-answered below me-
[QUOTE=Zet;38610893]Why would you to criminalize it, when some people need it done for medical reasons(some posters mentioned they're getting circumcised due to health reasons).[/QUOTE]
Well of course it's gonna stay legal for medical reasons, it just wouldn't be available as an option for anyone too young to understand what they're doing or is being done to them.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;38609623]That doesn't make them invalid.
No one has committed suicide over this so I don't know why you're bring up irrelevant shit.[/QUOTE]
I don't find them invalid. When I was referring to suicide, it was in relation to those who wish not to be deprived of what their parents had no consent of giving. I can't make the comparison that someone prefers not to exist under the context of them still existing. I find it obscure how cutting off some skin receives much more publicity and controversy than something that is arguably more of an important issue, the fundamental issue that's based off the same dilemma.
[QUOTE=Megafan;38607831]Look, this has nothing to do with whether any of you personally don't mind being circumcised. No matter how you feel about it now, even if literally [I]every person ever circumcised[/I] said "I don't mind having it now", that would not make it okay. There are no tangible medical benefits [B](sans dealing with medical issues such as phimosis)[/B] to it if you actually wash regularly and the pain an infant goes through, regardless of whether you can remember it or not, is not worth *the legal ability* to force it onto children. End of.[/QUOTE]
If you do it as an adult it's literally a torturous experience. I have a friend who did it, had phimosis but not a severe case, and it was two weeks of severe boner scares, tremendous itching, and potential for serious scaring(definitely possible as a baby, but I think due to no boners, a little less) due to stitches popping out badly.
[editline]27th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cone;38610745]Now, don't get me wrong, I really do wish that criminalizing circumcision would kill the problem right then and there, but wouldn't that just force some parents to use unlicensed and shady means of having the foreskin removed? I mean, you'd convince most parents not to circumcise, but what about the fundamentalists and the absurdly devoted?
It all stinks (a lot like you'd expect a pile of severed foreskins to, actually), but just immediately jumping to criminalizing it isn't gonna help. There needs to be more education on it, so that parents can naturally separate with the idea, [I]then[/I] you make it illegal. There'll no doubt still be dumbass parents doing underground circumcisions, but at least there won't be as many.[/QUOTE]
Why would you make it illegal? For babies? Or for all people?
[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;38601930]I was circumcised and i'm glad my parents did it, Not for religious reasons i just prefer it this way. Although i don't disagree that it shouldn't be allowed.
Edit:Why the dumbs? All i'm saying is that some of us feel fine after being circumcised at birth, Not that we should do it.[/QUOTE]
Whether you feel fine about it or not, you didn't get a choice
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38611116]Why would you make it illegal? For babies? Or for all people?[/QUOTE]
Make it illegal to be performed on babies, I mean. It just isn't fair to get them cut when they can't have a say in the matter.
[QUOTE=Noss;38602153]hey, i'm just going to cut your eyebrows off permanently, you don't need them so it shouldn't be a problem right?[/QUOTE]
Eyebrows are needed to keep sweat from running into the eyes.
[QUOTE=sixtyten;38608262]I AM PSYCHOLOGICALLY BROKEN BECAUSE MUH MEATSOCK IS GONE ABLOOBLOO[/QUOTE]
Looks like someone went full retard.
I was circumcised as a child due to complications with my foreskin being way too tight.
If child circumcision were banned I would probably be left without a penis, so fuck your opinions.
[QUOTE=Zet;38610893]Why would you to criminalize it, when some people need it done for medical reasons?(some posters mentioned they're getting circumcised due to health reasons).[/QUOTE]
No one is talking about medical circumcision. I've seen so many of these threads and not one person has ever argued against medical circumcisiom.
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