[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38612756]I love that people defending circumcision are going "Don't tell us that it's wrong to be circumsized at birth, I'm circumsized!!!" then going "But really you're all fucking gross and should be circumsized I mean girls love this shit"
There's nothing wrong with being circumsized, but being circumsized at birth is wrong, whether it ends up as an issue or not. And over here in Denmark, girls generally find it a bit funny if a person is circumsized - it's all just cultural differences,[B] like 0% are actually circumsized over here[/B].
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It's probably more than you think, in Britain 20% are circumcised, but that's mostly for medical and religious reasons, in American it's near 60%
[QUOTE=matt.ant;38626356]It's probably more than you think, in Britain 20% are circumcised, but that's mostly for medical and religious reasons, in [b]American it's near 60%[/b][/QUOTE]
I thought it was even higher than that. I mean, I remember some kid was getting made fun of in junior high because he was uncircumcised when someone found out in the locker room. Its a bit fucked up (I mean people making fun of him for it) looking back, but it does illustrate how common being circumcised is here.
[QUOTE=Demache;38626415]I thought it was even higher than that. I mean, I remember some kid was getting made fun of in junior high because he was uncircumcised when someone found out in the locker room. Its a bit fucked up (I mean people making fun of him for it) looking back, but it does illustrate how common being circumcised is here.[/QUOTE]
Got the statistic from here [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outweigh-risks-pediatric-group-says.html[/url] the UK one from the BBC, it might change from state to state though
[QUOTE=matt.ant;38626429]Got the statistic from here [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outweigh-risks-pediatric-group-says.html[/url] the UK one from the BBC, it might change from state to state though[/QUOTE]
Good point. Since I'm in a fairly conservative state, I'm sure that might have something to do with it being done out of tradition.
Guys the problem here isn't circumcision for religious reasons
it's unqualified,badly-done circumcision,which will be MORE COMMON if it's made a crime
Also I still have yet to know what a normal foreskin actually looks like or how it even works(where does the skin go when you fold it back,does it just make a flap somewhere behind the tip) on a penis,I ain't looking that shit up,I don't have my foreskin for reference either
[QUOTE=killkill85;38628011]Guys the problem here isn't circumcision for religious reasons
it's unqualified,badly-done circumcision,which will be MORE COMMON if it's made a crime
Also I still have yet to know what a normal foreskin actually looks like or how it even works(where does the skin go when you fold it back,does it just make a flap somewhere behind the tip) on a penis,I ain't looking that shit up,I don't have my foreskin for reference either[/QUOTE]
Like this: [url]http://give-good-head.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/800px-A_Foreskin_Retraction_Series-300x225.jpg[/url] (Nsfw)
[QUOTE=matt.ant;38626356]It's probably more than you think, in Britain 20% are circumcised, but that's mostly for medical and religious reasons, in American it's near 60%[/QUOTE]
I know of pretty much a single person that may or may not have been circumcised for medical reasons, but I think he got of the hook by using lube and masturbate a bit. There's also next to no jews in Denmark, and there's absolutely no one doing it because "why not". I think it's safe to say that it's a [I]very[/I] small demographic, even if it isn't 0% (not that I really believed that it was 0%, but it's close).
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;38628976]I know of pretty much a single person that may or may not have been circumcised for medical reasons, but I think he got of the hook by using lube and masturbate a bit. There's also next to no jews in Denmark, and there's absolutely no one doing it because "why not". I think it's safe to say that it's a [I]very[/I] small demographic, even if it isn't 0% (not that I really believed that it was 0%, but it's close).[/QUOTE]
Just had a look and it's 1.6%, I'm surprised it's that low
[QUOTE=Megafan;38608105]I'm aware that's how it is. I'm telling you [I]that's not okay.[/I][/QUOTE]
Too bad that what you say isn't okay isn't going to make change.
Circumsized dicks are hot :downs:
Okay well this is the most retarded argument I have seen on facepunch for a while. Jesus Christ people. I know most of Facepunch is not religious, but seriously this is retarded.
Any type of surgery is always dangerous, which is why it should be done by professionals. Obviously the woman who performed this circumcision was not qualified, considering the tools she used.
Atheists/agnostics don't want religion in their lives more than needed or forced on them, and religious persons don't want people to tell them what they need to do. It was okay when atheists were trying to get rid of some things, but saying something as minuscule in a mans life as circumcision should be illegal for parents who want to raise their child a specific way is absolutely ridiculous.
[QUOTE=iggy650;38633570]but saying something as minuscule in a mans life as circumcision should be illegal for parents who want to raise their child a specific way is absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
children are not cattle
[QUOTE=Dori;38633590]children are not cattle[/QUOTE]
Up until they turn into angsty teenagers most all children do what they parents say, unless they have a discipline problem.
[QUOTE=iggy650;38633570]Okay well this is the most retarded argument I have seen on facepunch for a while. Jesus Christ people. I know most of Facepunch is not religious, but seriously this is retarded.
Any type of surgery is always dangerous, which is why it should be done by professionals. Obviously the woman who performed this circumcision was not qualified, considering the tools she used.
Atheists/agnostics don't want religion in their lives more than needed or forced on them, and religious persons don't want people to tell them what they need to do. It was okay when atheists were trying to get rid of some things, but saying something as minuscule in a mans life as circumcision should be illegal for parents who want to raise their child a specific way is absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
So what exactly justifies the pain that this surgery causes the baby.
From what I've read it is excruciating especially considering babies can feel greater levels of pain than adults.
[QUOTE=iggy650;38633570]Okay well this is the most retarded argument I have seen on facepunch for a while. Jesus Christ people. I know most of Facepunch is not religious, but seriously this is retarded.
Any type of surgery is always dangerous, which is why it should be done by professionals. Obviously the woman who performed this circumcision was not qualified, considering the tools she used.
Atheists/agnostics don't want religion in their lives more than needed or forced on them, and religious persons don't want people to tell them what they need to do. It was okay when atheists were trying to get rid of some things, but saying something as minuscule in a mans life as circumcision should be illegal for parents who want to raise their child a specific way is absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
The argument has (almost) nothing to do with the religious aspect. It's a surgical procedure that the patient has no need for and doesn't get to decide on for themselves. An actual circumcision done by a medical professional isn't dangerous, it's just not necessary or something the baby could want.
No ones going to win this argument since we all have different backgrounds and views. I was raised religious, but I am not a religious maniac. I understand where you are coming from with they should have a choice or not, but I am circumcised and do not understand how it would be different other than having to pull back my foreskin to pee.
[QUOTE=iggy650;38633783]No ones going to win this argument since we all have different backgrounds and views. I was raised religious, but I am not a religious maniac. I understand where you are coming from with they should have a choice or not, but I am circumcised and do not understand how it would be different other than having to pull back my foreskin to pee.[/QUOTE]
Let me baseline this for you.
The foreskin exists for a reason, protection, mainly.
Other than relatively rare conditions, there's no medical reason to remove the foreskin.
Therefore children should not be forced to have the foreskin removed, as it only provides measurable benefits in a small number of people.
You having a foreskin wouldn't change your life drastically, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have it removed. It's a procedure that costs money, either for the parents or for the taxpayer, which doesn't need to be done in the vast majority of cases.
I genuinely fail to see where the disagreement is coming from here. I cannot fathom what connection your brain is making that mine is not; such that it decides that an invasive and unnecessary procedure being performed upon the non-consenting is justifiable.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;38633899]Let me baseline this for you.
The foreskin exists for a reason, protection, mainly.
Other than relatively rare conditions, there's no medical reason to remove the foreskin.
Therefore children should not be forced to have the foreskin removed, as it only provides measurable benefits in a small number of people.
You having a foreskin wouldn't change your life drastically, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have it removed. It's a procedure that costs money, either for the parents or for the taxpayer, which doesn't need to be done in the vast majority of cases.
I genuinely fail to see where the disagreement is coming from here. I cannot fathom what connection your brain is making that mine is not; such that it decides that an invasive and unnecessary procedure being performed upon the non-consenting is justifiable.[/QUOTE]
I think the main reason I am defending my case is because of people saying it should be illegal. I am completely against people telling other people what they can and can't do. You make good points and I agree with them. But I don't see why we should make it illegal.
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ITT let's rate iggy boxes because we don't have the same views as him so he must be dumb.
The longer I read this thread the more I realize that this is one of those arguments that is going nowhere. I've seen neither side bring anything new to the table for the last few pages and the current lack of better evidence on either side makes it very unlikely that anyone is going to "win" or convince anyone else that they are right.
Anyway this was a very tragic incident and its a shame that people are crazy enough to try doing a circumcision without even knowing how to do it properly or the risks involved. These days circumcision is something that should really only be done by medical professionals.
[QUOTE=iggy650;38634002]I think the main reason I am defending my case is because of people saying it should be illegal. [b] I am completely against people telling other people what they can and can't do. [/b] You make good points and I agree with them. But I don't see why we should make it illegal.
[editline]28th November 2012[/editline]
ITT let's rate iggy boxes because we don't have the same views as him so he must be dumb.[/QUOTE]
Hits the nail on the head.
But probably not the way you wanted it to.
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