EA on PC: "may become our biggest platform" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MrFish;28514778]To legally save money, obviously. Not everyone wants to pay $60 or €60 for a game that only lasts a few hours.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you save money but developers get nothing for their hard work. [QUOTE=MrFish;28514778]Not everyone has fast internet connects that can download games quickly, and physical copies are good if you need a backup of your game. [/QUOTE] I guess it's viable for some people, I just see no reason buying them myself. [QUOTE=MrFish;28514778]No it isn't. With pirated copies, developers get nothing; with used copies, at least they get some money from the original sale. Getting some money is better than not getting anything at all.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. Piracy: Guy A buys the game, Devs get the money. Guy B downloads a copy of Guy A's game, developers get nothing. Buying second hand: Guy A buys the game, Devs get the money. Guy B buys the game from Guy A, developers get nothing. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] Second Hand market is legalized pirating.

[QUOTE=Chickens!;28508588]They won't see much growth until they stop charging 60 Dollars for Download copies.[/QUOTE] They do that because retail stores bitch that they are breaking (insert country here)'s anti-trust laws involving limiting competition because the download prices used to be so low.

[QUOTE=certified;28515130]They do that because retail stores bitch that they are breaking (insert country here)'s anti-trust laws involving limiting competition because the download prices used to be so low.[/QUOTE] Bullshit is limiting the progress. As usual.

Let me rephrase: EA charges roughly $15USD to retail stores as wholesale. The retail stores markup 400% bringing the retail price to $60USD. You buy at retail at that price. Then STEAM came along. You would pay at wholesale prices (EX: $15USD) for games. Retail stores found out when HL2 (Requiring STEAM) came out. They bitched that this "limited competition" and threatened to go to court over it because the lower prices supposedly broke (insert country here)'s anti-trust laws involving limiting competition. Rather than going through the difficult (and long) court process and possibly risking a ruling in favor of the plaintiff (retail stores), download stores such as STEAM raised their prices up to retail. This is why you pay $60 for download games. Not greedy publishers. Greedy/bitching retail stores.

[QUOTE=certified;28515261]Let me rephrase: EA charges roughly $15USD to retail stores as wholesale. The retail stores markup 400% bringing the retail price to $60USD. You buy at retail at that price. Then STEAM came along. You would pay at wholesale prices (EX: $15USD) for games. Retail stores found out when HL2 (Requiring STEAM) came out. They bitched that this "limited competition" and threatened to go to court over it because the lower prices supposedly broke (insert country here)'s anti-trust laws involving limiting competition. Rather than going through the difficult (and long) court process and possibly risking a ruling in favor of the plaintiff (retail stores), download stores such as STEAM raised their prices up to retail. This is why you pay $60 for download games. Not greedy publishers. Greedy/bitching retail stores.[/QUOTE] Not sure if that was addressed to me or not but when I said "bullshit" I meant greedy/bitchy retail stores. I'm all pro digital distribution.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28515370]Not sure if that was addressed to me or not but when I said "bullshit" I meant greedy/bitchy retail stores. I'm all pro digital distribution.[/QUOTE] I only posted the longer post because I couldn't understand my own writing.

It was your biggest platform EA, until you decided to close Westwood and drive a lot of good series into shit.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;28515603]It was your biggest platform EA, until you decided to close Westwood and drive a lot of good series into shit.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I wonder if they will ever make C&C 4. Because last C&C game was C&C 3.

[QUOTE=Chickens!;28508588]They won't see much growth until they stop charging 60 Dollars for Download copies.[/QUOTE] "The margins are better." This means they will charge for downloads as if they were physical copies, and pocket all the money that would have been spent on manufacturing and distribution. Fuckers.

[QUOTE=Jallen;28509051]So I guess you absolutely hate valve, you can't even sell your steam games / buy them preowned.[/QUOTE] Pc games don't particularly bother me any way since they're relatively well priced any way. It's more the £40 console games that only really provide about 10 hours of gameplay that bother me [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=kevlar jens;28509005]baaaw i'm a cheap person who buys my games from the pre-owned section from gamestop/feeds off my friends by borrowing their games[/QUOTE] Not everyone has hundreds to waste on 4 hours games, get off yours fucking pedastal.

Words don't really mean shit to me They bump up PC prices and flood us with Day 1 DLC, yet they say we're important Yeah, right

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28515701]Yeah, I wonder if they will ever make C&C 4. Because last C&C game was C&C 3.[/QUOTE] They did make CnC 4, it was just abominable pile of shite

they didn't make it, they more defecated it out

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28516550]They did make CnC 4, it was just abominable pile of shite[/QUOTE] They did NOT. There was never any C&C 4, never ever ever ever. Stop lying.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;28511140]I disagree. It encourages buying games new, and used games sales actually hurt the industry. Now, I won't really believe EA's word on this yet, as I have this nagging feeling that this will mean Facebook-esque casual browser games, rather than a move of their "hardcore" gaming department to PC. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] EADM prices drop very fast, though. Dead Space 2 was released a couple months ago at 60€, it is already considerably cheaper.[/QUOTE] They don't need the money for the server though, the person who bought the new copy payed for the server, if I buy the preowned copy it's not like hes still sitting there using their servers since I now have the copy. the fact of the matter is that the server price was payed for when the first person paid for the game, this is just EA's way of killing off the pre owned market so they can charge extortionate prices for games without the competition of second hand games. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jack Trades;28516615]They did NOT. There was never any C&C 4, never ever ever ever. Stop lying.[/QUOTE] I really wish you where right, that ending did not do the series justice what so ever.

What games does EA make that you have to pay for online?

[QUOTE=cyanidem;28514052]They can go to hell with their DLC's though. When I buy a game, I expect the full fucking game. It's already happening, BF3, Strike at Karkand map is DLC from the go. Wtf?[/QUOTE] Its actually multiple maps and original weapons. I'm pretty sure that they didn't put all the original weapons into the new game for a reason.

[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;28516672]What games does EA make that you have to pay for online?[/QUOTE] So far it's been EA sports title and I'm pretty sure dead space 2 had it as well.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28516621] I really wish you where right, that ending did not do the series justice what so ever.[/QUOTE] The game itself was horrible but the cutscenes were as good as usual, I watched them all and being a fan of Kane, I was really happy to see some clarification and an ending on his storyline.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28511666]Yes but you have to think about it. It costs money to run a server and if you didn't buy the game and are playing on there servers you are costing the game developers money.[/QUOTE] You are forgetting that you have to rent their servers for server hosting.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28517602]The game itself was horrible but the cutscenes were as good as usual, I watched them all and being a fan of Kane, I was really happy to see some clarification and an ending on his storyline.[/QUOTE] I watched some of the cutscenes just to see what they where like and I really couldn't say they lived up to its predecessors.

[QUOTE=Clavus;28509087]Pff, technically, developers don't even need publishers like EA any more to publish their games on platforms like Steam. There's a reason why indie games are on the rise lately.[/QUOTE] For every "Minecraft scenario" when an indie developer makes millions upon millions, there are a thousand of other obscure games where they didn't even make enough to cover the development cost. Having a publisher guarantees that you'll get proper funding and benefits through an employer, as much as I'd like to say "fuck publishers", at the end of the day, you kind of need them.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;28516698]Its actually multiple maps and original weapons. I'm pretty sure that they didn't put all the original weapons into the new game for a reason.[/QUOTE] Yeah For money

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;28509475][img_thumb]http://images.wikia.com/nfs/en/images/e/e9/Need_for_Speed_Underground_2_001.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Skate-3-Boxart.jpg[/img_thumb] That is all.[/QUOTE] Oh hey wait [img]http://img.timeinc.net/time/2007/top_10_photos/top10_cuts/vgames_orange_box2.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mass-effect-2-box-art.jpg[/img] [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Trainbike;28512000]Other than distributing retail copies, EA has fuck all to do with them. EA had nothing to do with development at all.[/QUOTE] Bioware? DICE? Brutal Legend would've never seen the light of day if weren't for EA. Yes they have a crappy back history but every publisher has that, there are mistakes and wins. Even for Activision :colbert:

Glad to hear that EA still cares about the PC community.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28511666]Yes but you have to think about it. It costs money to run a server and if you didn't buy the game and are playing on there servers you are costing the game developers money.[/QUOTE] What fucking server, im sorry but who the hell told EA to host our fucking game. Back in the day I remember there being a client (game) and server, and the server was either hosted on your console/pc or a company hosted it for you.. CSS/TF2/L4D/Battlefield 2 and more in Australia have free servers hosted by Gamespace Internode 3GN, EA hosting servers and charging us for it simply makes NO sense.

After making the Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II PC releases mere ports of the console versions... I know they don't have all that much say for the development process since they're just the producer, but money holds a lot of sway in game development. Now's better than never though, I suppose.

Knowing EA they are just going to port more Console games to PC

[QUOTE=T-hunter;28523559]Knowing EA they are just going to port more Console games to PC[/QUOTE] I wouldn't mind this. As long as they're not terrible ports.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;28523583]I wouldn't mind this. As long as they're not terrible ports.[/QUOTE] Mass Effect 2 wasn't bad, but I think they've kind of taken a step back with Dragon Age II.