EA on PC: "may become our biggest platform" - Polidicks

Lol EA better know what they are doing, I mean it kinda gives me the bad vibes if they end up fucking shit up in front of pc community giving them even more bad name

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28515701]Yeah, I wonder if they will ever make C&C 4. Because last C&C game was C&C 3.[/QUOTE] Renegade* :eng101: I do kind of wish they'd continue from where Firestorm left, ah well. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] I just hope that whatever they'll do, they do it properly.

The only game from EA i like is the Sims Series.

I love how they talk as if PC gaming is a new idea and is just now emerging, yet it has been in place for over two decades now.

Over two decades last I checked :raise:

everyone kinda forgot us :saddowns:

Why wasn't it your biggest platform yet?

Because dosh, and easier-to-please audience?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28508554]I'm not going to like EA until they stop charging for multiplayer on preowned copies.[/QUOTE] they are in the right on this, gamestop is basically stealing money when they resell used games as EA gets no money for used games sales. when you buy it, your paying for the right for YOU to play it, not anyone else. if you think piracy is bad, this is worse because gamestop is stealing money. (however i dont think piracy is necessarily a bad thing)

[QUOTE=Mattk50;28525838]they are in the right on this, gamestop is basically stealing money when they resell used games as EA gets no money for used games sales. when you buy it, your paying for the right for YOU to play it, not anyone else. if you think piracy is bad, this is worse because gamestop is stealing money. (however i dont think piracy is necessarily a bad thing)[/QUOTE] I don't think piracy is bad, and I certainly don't think that having the right to resell your property is bad either.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28526246]I don't think that stealing money from other people is bad because I'm a fucking parasite.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.faggot.com/lol.jpg[/img]

I don't know why people hate on sports games so much. Sports games are pretty much the funnest games you can play with people who suck at videogames, since they're easy to learn.

[QUOTE=Jon27;28509201]EA vs. Activision This year's winner: EA Next year's winner: Activision 2013 Winner: EA ...And it just goes on.[/QUOTE] Activision will always be a loser in my books, as long as they keep milking CoD. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Best4bond;28523942]The only game from EA i like is the Sims Series.[/QUOTE] SimCity 4 Deluxe was the last good game with the word "sim" in it. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;28526246]I don't think piracy is bad, and I certainly don't think that having the right to resell your property is bad either.[/QUOTE] Though, buying your games for $0.50 then selling it for $10+ is kinda bad.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28515050]Yeah, you save money but developers get nothing for their hard work. Piracy: Guy A buys the game, Devs get the money. Guy B downloads a copy of Guy A's game, developers get nothing. Buying second hand: Guy A buys the game, Devs get the money. Guy B buys the game from Guy A, developers get nothing. Second Hand market is legalized pirating.[/QUOTE] One difference is hundreds of 'lost sales' versus one. Also, piracy is making an unlawful copy of a game. There is no copying involved with used games. If you define piracy as developers not getting money from a product, I guess things like watching movies at a friend's house, playing music loud enough for other people to hear it, and playing on a friend's console count as piracy.

[QUOTE=MrFish;28527706]One difference is hundreds of 'lost sales' versus one. Also, piracy is making an unlawful copy of a game. There is no copying involved with used games. If you define piracy as developers not getting money from a product, I guess things like watching movies at a friend's house, playing music loud enough for other people to hear it, and playing on a friend's console count as piracy.[/QUOTE] they do technically shows a flaw with the "potential profit" argument more than anything though.

If/When people buy a pre-owned game, no money goes to the developer, and they very, [b]very[/b] likely won't buy it so that money goes to the developer, unless they lose their copy, but then they might buy a used copy again. Piracy, at least people are more likely to buy the game so that money from the sell goes to the developer.

[QUOTE=MrFish;28527706]One difference is hundreds of 'lost sales' versus one. [/QUOTE] So your reasoning is "It's okay to steal money as long as It's only one copy"? [QUOTE=MrFish;28527706]If you define piracy as developers not getting money from a product.[/QUOTE] Not really, buying a used copy is almost the same as piracy because a person is obtaining a copy, into his possession, without paying to the owner of that product. [QUOTE=MrFish;28527706]I guess things like watching movies at a friend's house, playing music loud enough for other people to hear it, and playing on a friend's console count as piracy.[/QUOTE] No it's not, because you aren't getting that copy into your possession. Now when I think about it, after you buy a copy of the game you shouldn't be able to sell that copy to GameStop since you've got no rights to distribute that product. Anyone knows what law says about that? [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imadaman;28527851]If/When people buy a pre-owned game, no money goes to the developer, and they very, [b]very[/b] likely won't buy it so that money goes to the developer, unless they lose their copy, but then they might buy a used copy again.[/QUOTE] "I'm going to steal that car, it's okay since wouldn't buy it anyway."

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28527942] Now when I think about it, after you buy a copy of the game you shouldn't be able to sell that copy to GameStop since you've got no rights to distribute that product. Anyone knows what law says about that?[/QUOTE] Did you really just say that you don't have legal right to see property you legally own/bought...? I don't think you can talk anymore...

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28528000]Did you really just say that you don't have legal right to see property you legally own/bought...?[/QUOTE] Something tells me that you don't know how intellectual property laws work.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28527942]"I'm going to steal that car, it's okay since wouldn't buy it anyway."[/QUOTE] :iiaca: doesn't really fit, at least not the way you used it.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28511666]Yes but you have to think about it. It costs money to run a server and if you didn't buy the game and are playing on there servers you are costing the game developers money.[/QUOTE] They get the money for the server bills for the next 10 years when they poop out another sports game annually.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28527942] Not really, buying a used copy is almost the same as piracy because a person is obtaining a copy, into his possession, without paying to the owner of that product. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The First Sale Doctrine] The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell, lend or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy ends once ownership of that copy has passed to someone else, as long as the copy itself is not an infringing copy. [/QUOTE] The owner of the product is the person who you buy the product from. [QUOTE] No it's not, because you aren't getting that copy into your possession. [/QUOTE] Your original argument was based on the developers not getting money. My point still stands. And what if your friend gives you his entire console and collection of games as a gift? [QUOTE] Now when I think about it, after you buy a copy of the game you shouldn't be able to sell that copy to GameStop since you've got no rights to distribute that product. [/QUOTE] The first sale doctrine gives you that right. [QUOTE=Jack Trades;28527942]So your reasoning is "It's okay to steal money as long as It's only one copy"? [/QUOTE] My reasoning is "Piracy is not the same thing as selling a used game". Your reasoning is "They're the same thing". I was just pointing out a difference.

[QUOTE=imadaman;28528275]:iiaca: doesn't really fit, at least not the way you used it.[/QUOTE] Okay how about, "I'm going to sneak into the movies without paying the ticket since I wouldn't pay for it anyway."?

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28528028]Something tells me that you don't know how intellectual property laws work.[/QUOTE] No, I understand them better than you do apparently. I also understand that when you pay money for a product out right, and not for a license to said product, then you OWN that product.

No, it's that last part that's kind of killing the workingness of the analogy, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28527942] "I'm going to steal that car, it's okay since wouldn't buy it anyway."[/QUOTE] Missed this the first time. Seriously, stop arguing from "potential profit". you can't tell how many people would have bought it, right? Stealing a car and copying a game you would never have bought, are in fact, two different things. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jack Trades;28528369]Okay how about, "I'm going to sneak into the movies without paying the ticket since I wouldn't pay for it anyway."?[/QUOTE] nope that's trespassing

[QUOTE=MrFish;28528365]My reasoning is "Piracy is not the same thing as selling a used game". Your reasoning is "They're the same thing". I was just pointing out a difference.[/QUOTE] You might have a point there but it all comes down to how you define "potential profit". From the technical standpoint, Guy A buys a copy of the game and everyhting that comes with it (support, server costs etc.) and then sells it to Guy B that gets everyhting instead of Guy A, but what is actually happening is that when Guy A gets tired of the game he sells his copy, that he wouldn't have used anyway, to Guy B that wants it, denying the profit to the developers. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28528417]nope that's trespassing[/QUOTE] And how is using someones physical property without permission is different form using someone intellectual property without permission?

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28528530]You might have a point there but it all comes down to how you define "potential profit". From the technical standpoint, Guy A buys a copy of the game and everyhting that comes with it (support, server costs etc.) and then sells it to Guy B that gets everyhting instead of Guy A, but what is actually happening is that when Guy A gets tired of the game he sells his copy, that he wouldn't have used anyway, to Guy B that wants it, denying the profit to the developers.[/QUOTE] Stealing a game =/ buying it from someone who isn't the dev, you can go on Ebay and buy old toys and the company who made it doesn't get any money, people have a right to sell things they own.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28527456][img_thumb]http://www.faggot.com/lol.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] So I guess you think that second hand car sales men are helpers of the filthy lower class parasites then.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28528530]You might have a point there but it all comes down to how you define "potential profit". From the technical standpoint, Guy A buys a copy of the game and everyhting that comes with it (support, server costs etc.) and then sells it to Guy B that gets everyhting instead of Guy A, but what is actually happening is that when Guy A gets tired of the game he sells his copy, that he wouldn't have used anyway, to Guy B that wants it, denying the profit to the developers. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] And how is using someones physical property without permission is different form using someone intellectual property without permission?[/QUOTE] So you would essentially be okay with the removal of the ability for people to sell products they own? I can't tell you how stupid that is. Because... intellectual and physical property... aren't.. the same? Someone pirating a game or a movie is different than physically violating someones property. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] Also, don't ignore the important part of my argument.