Transgender student suspended for using wrong bathroom - Polidicks

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366617]Stop being so upset, it angers me seeing you upset.[/QUOTE] He (correct me if I'm wrong) is angry at you for having a stupid opinion. You're angry at everyone in this thread for not accepting your stupid opinion. There's a [b]very[/b] large difference. [QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366617]What? I have nothing against being transgender or gay/les. [b]I'm very openminded[/b], yet you accuse me of being close minded because [b]I'm stating facts[/b] that, indeed school washrooms are separated by sex and not gender.[/QUOTE] [img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/558/shutdowneverything.jpg?1304034808[/img]

[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;33366634]He (correct me if I'm wrong) is angry at you for having a stupid opinion. You're angry at everyone in this thread for not accepting your stupid opinion. There's a [b]very[/b] large difference.[/QUOTE] Okay, Ill correct you. I'm in no way angry at everyone in this thread, I'm in shock to how apparently I pissed off a transgender person for stating the simple fact that washrooms with male/female signs on them are separated by sex and not gender. [editline]20th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Alioth;33366634]He (correct me if I'm wrong) is angry at you for having a stupid opinion. You're angry at everyone in this thread for not accepting your stupid opinion. There's a [b]very[/b] large difference. [img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/558/shutdowneverything.jpg?1304034808[/img][/QUOTE] Oh my god! He is stating facts he must be closed minded!

You keep calling her a "Male Transgender" Doonbugie, and keep insisting she belongs in the male bathroom because of her Genitalia. If bathrooms we're segretaed by Vagina or Penis then Yes, she would belong in the "Penis Bathroom" But she Identifies as Female. which means she is should be allowed to use the Female Bathroom just as any other Female Student. The problem here is people not making that distinction. And for anyone going "She" or calling her a Boy, Get the fuck out because I'm sure she goes through enough as is. Don't fucking put her through more behind her back by Misgendering her.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366617]What? I have nothing against being transgender or gay/les. I'm very openminded, yet you accuse me of being close minded because I'm stating facts that, indeed school washrooms are separated by sex and not gender.[/QUOTE] It's called a fucking simile, take an English class. Also, I do not remember a point at any time where it was officially decreed that restrooms are separated by sex rather than gender, or that transgenders should abstain from using restrooms. Even if it was, it doesn't make any sense. Who gives a flying fuck if the restrooms are separated by sex? Will it hurt the restrooms feelings if I use the girl's one?

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366646]Okay, Ill correct you. I'm in no way angry at everyone in this thread, I'm in shock to how apparently I pissed off a transgender person for stating the simple fact that washrooms with male/female signs on them are separated by sex and not gender.[/QUOTE] Actually, we're pissed off at you because of what you said: [QUOTE=doonbugie2;33365856]"she" has a penis. There you go, this may concern other girls in the female washrooms. The schools decision is for the comfort of 99% of other students in the school.[/QUOTE] and, I wasn't asking you to correct me, I wasn't sure about Last or First's gender so I put it next to [i]he[/i], not the end of the sentence.

this shit isn't a problem on tv shows

[QUOTE=Skelmech;33366662]You keep calling her a "Male Transgender" Doonbugie, and keep insisting she belongs in the male bathroom because of her Genitalia. If bathrooms we're segretaed by Vagina or Penis then Yes, she would belong in the "Penis Bathroom" But she Identifies as Female. which means she is should be allowed to use the Female Bathroom just as any other Female Student. The problem here is people not making that distinction. And for anyone going "She" or calling her a Boy, Get the fuck out because I'm sure she goes through enough as is. Don't fucking put her through more behind her back by Misgendering her.[/QUOTE] I believe I called the girl in the OP she many times.. I'm not, not accepting their gender. Factually their sex is Male, and washrooms are separated by sex correct me if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366672]I believe I called the girl in the OP she many times.. I'm not, not accepting their gender. Factually their sex is Male, and washrooms are separated by sex correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] But even if they are separated by sex, [i]who cares?[/i]

[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;33366668]Actually, we're pissed off at you because of what you said: and, I wasn't asking you to correct me, I wasn't sure about Last or First's gender so I put it next to [i]he[/i], not the end of the sentence.[/QUOTE] I corrected you anyways because what you were saying was wrong? Deal with it.

If he used the other bathroom he'd be bullied to hell and the school wouldn't do shit.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33366685]But even if they are separated by sex, [i]who cares?[/i][/QUOTE] You? I have nothing against some transgender person using the same washroom as I. I never created the policies, I'm just stating them as you can clearly see in my before posts yet you blame me specifically.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366646]Okay, Ill correct you. I'm in no way angry at everyone in this thread, I'm in shock to how apparently I pissed off a transgender person for stating the simple fact that washrooms with male/female signs on them are separated by sex and not gender.[/QUOTE] Mostly it's because the way you're then stating transgendered people are making this decision seemingly lightly and on a whim, which is not the case. I could not describe for you what the feeling is like, as I do not experience it, but I know that it is not that they wake up one day and think "I'm going to become a girl today," I've heard it's something to the effect of they wake up every day and think "I hate not being a woman, I don't feel right not being a woman, I'm uncomfortable in my whole life but if people find out they'll think I'm weird." While it is likely true bathrooms are divided by sex and not gender, that raises issues for transgenders, as they don't feel like they fit in the bathroom they're suppose to go in, but aren't allowed in the other. The issue then with being given a special provision, like using staff washrooms, it's still excluding them from attempting to have a "normal" life, making them probably feel different, singled out, and excluded. I know my university put around some unisex, one-room washrooms for both transgenders and the handicapped, the former as an attempt to make them feel more comfortable with their identity while not worrying about the sex divide of traditional public restrooms and the latter because they equipped them to be handicapped accessible.

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;33366698]If [B]she[/B] used the other bathroom [B]she'd[/B] be bullied to hell and the school wouldn't do shit.[/QUOTE] Fixed that for you. :smile:

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;33366698]If he used the other bathroom he'd be bullied to hell and the school wouldn't do shit.[/QUOTE] This is why society is retarded.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366708]You? [b]I have nothing against some transgender person using the same washroom as I.[/b] I never created the policies, I'm just stating them as you can clearly see in my before posts yet you blame me specifically.[/QUOTE] Good job contradicting yourself: [QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366163]Because she wants to be a girl for some reason, but does not understand that her sex is still "male" [b]and therefor belongs in the male washroom.[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33366714]Mostly it's because the way you're then stating transgendered people are making this decision seemingly lightly and on a whim, which is not the case. I could not describe for you what the feeling is like, as I do not experience it, but I know that it is not that they wake up one day and think "I'm going to become a girl today," I've heard it's something to the effect of they wake up every day and think "I hate not being a woman, I don't feel right not being a woman, I'm uncomfortable in my whole life but if people find out they'll think I'm weird." While it is likely true bathrooms are divided by sex and not gender, that raises issues for transgenders, as they don't feel like they fit in the bathroom they're suppose to go in, but aren't allowed in the other. The issue then with being given a special provision, like using staff washrooms, it's still excluding them from attempting to have a "normal" life, making them probably feel different, singled out, and excluded. [B]I know my university put around some unisex, one-room washrooms for both transgenders and the handicapped, the former as an attempt to make them feel more comfortable with their identity while not worrying about the sex divide of traditional public restrooms and the latter because they equipped them to be handicapped accessible[/B].[/QUOTE] This is how this problem should be solved. [editline]20th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Alioth;33366732]Good job contradicting yourself:[/QUOTE] Good job being a retard and not comprehending what was in the unbolded text. NOTE: "I never created the policies I just stated them"

[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;33366668]and, I wasn't asking you to correct me, I wasn't sure about Last or First's gender so I put it next to [i]he[/i], not the end of the sentence.[/QUOTE] This one has come to the conclusion that it is genderless. This one is a Ditto, and therefore, has no gender. doonbugie2: This one wonders if you have considered the fact that the thread is talking about the morality of the situation, not the currently established system of rules.

I think they should make Unisex, Man and Women washrooms to solve all this shit and have nobody offended by their beliefs or morales. There you go.

You guys are arguing the argument not the issue, which is pointless. Why not continue this in PM's so the thread is not derailed?

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366795]I think they should make Unisex, Man and Women washrooms to solve all this shit and have nobody offended by their beliefs or morales. There you go.[/QUOTE] Except then it would become taboo to enter the unisex bathroom; and then rumors start spreading and the next thing you know you have a suicide.

[QUOTE=imptastick;33366800]You guys are arguing the argument not the issue, which is pointless. Why not continue this in PM's so the thread is not derailed?[/QUOTE] I just solved it, nobody can bitch at me for what I posted without them bitching at themselves.

Why is anything beyond a unisex washroom necessary? Are 'real' men and women somehow more deserving or needing of privacy?

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366743]This is how this problem should be solved. [editline]20th November 2011[/editline] Good job being a retard and not comprehending what was in the unbolded text. NOTE: "I never created the policies I just stated them"[/QUOTE] Even if you are so innocent and are just stating the fact that they're separated by sex, why would you even state that? What makes you think anyone would care, or didn't realize this?

[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;33366811]Except then it would become taboo to enter the unisex bathroom; and then rumors start spreading and the next thing you know you have a suicide.[/QUOTE] Depends I guess, How do you do this without offending anyone beliefs including hardcore religious folk or something. [editline]20th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33366815]Even if you are so innocent and are just stating the fact that they're separated by sex, why would you even state that? What makes you think anyone would care, or didn't realize this?[/QUOTE] What has this got to do with adding a unisex washroom which is my solution to this or are you just arguing about the argument instead of the morality issue.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33366685]But even if they are separated by sex, [I]who cares?[/I][/QUOTE] well someone cared enough for the student to get suspended. Hence someone does indeed care. This topic has come up before in the debate section and if I recall there were more or less two groups of people. a) Those who wanted to see sexually still one gender, indentified as other to be normally allowed into their indentified gender bathroom b) Those who objected to it as long as said transgender person didn't have surgery. Keep in mind, it's quite possible that a number of the female students were strongly uncomfortable with the situation. And as a result the staff allowed this transgender student to use the staff bathroom. This student then persisted in using the female bathrooms and as a result got suspended. I'd say that the probability of their being opposition from female students is almost a given.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33366813]Why is anything beyond a unisex washroom necessary? Are 'real' men and women somehow more deserving or needing of privacy?[/QUOTE] One issue I can see is urinals, they're traditionally out in the open as opposed to in a stall, and if they put them in stalls it would be awkward for a woman to walk in and see a urinal and be one or many of unsure what to do, disgusted, surprised, and/or irritated and would have to hunt through the stalls to find one without. The issue with labelling them "Urinal" is that can be seen as discriminating against illiterates, and as not everybody has seen a urinal, having a picture of one on the stall wouldn't help either. Of course, you could abolish urinals, I personally don't care, I never use them, but there's be people who'd bitch at the suggestion.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33366866]One issue I can see is urinals, they're traditionally out in the open as opposed to in a stall, and if they put them in stalls it would be awkward for a woman to walk in and see a urinal and be one or many of unsure what to do, disgusted, surprised, and/or irritated and would have to hunt through the stalls to find one without. The issue with labelling them "Urinal" is that can be seen as discriminating against illiterates, and as not everybody has seen a urinal, having a picture of one on the stall wouldn't help either. Of course, you could abolish urinals, I personally don't care, I never use them, but there's be people who'd bitch at the suggestion.[/QUOTE] Would rather go in a urinal then in a toilet, much quicker, do not really care about the lack of privacy. They cannot be abolished.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33366866]One issue I can see is urinals, they're traditionally out in the open as opposed to in a stall, and if they put them in stalls it would be awkward for a woman to walk in a see a urinal and be one or many of unsure what to do, disgusted, surprised, and/or irritated and would have to hunt through the stalls to find one without. The issue with labelling them "Urinal" is that can be seen as discriminating against illiterates, and as not everybody has seen a urinal, having a picture of one on the stall wouldn't help either. Of course, you could abolish urinals, I personally don't care, I never use them, but there's be people who'd bitch at the suggestion.[/QUOTE] Discrimination against illiterates...? I don't think that's even vaguely a concern anywhere. It's not like it's hard to get a decent iconographer to make something everyone will understand, either. And confusing people who don't know what a urinal is? These are some bizarre ad-hoc reasons not to have urinals. Surely there are some [I]actual[/I] reasons someone could come up with.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33366898]Discrimination against illiterates...? I don't think that's even vaguely a concern anywhere. It's not like it's hard to get a decent iconographer to make something everyone will understand, either. And confusing people who don't know what a urinal is? These are some bizarre ad-hoc reasons not to have urinals. Surely there are some [I]actual[/I] reasons someone could come up with.[/QUOTE] Urinals are quicker, and easier.. more sanitary aswell.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33366898]Discrimination against illiterates...? I don't think that's even vaguely a concern anywhere. It's not like it's hard to get a decent iconographer to make something everyone will understand, either. And confusing people who don't know what a urinal is? These are some bizarre ad-hoc reasons not to have urinals. Surely there are some [I]actual[/I] reasons someone could come up with.[/QUOTE] Why do you think most often it's the stick figures on bathroom signs? It's for those who are illiterate in the language. Literacy doesn't necessarily mean completely, but also language literacy, and if someone's visiting a county they may not speak or read the language there. There's also, as mentioned, the apparent "convenience" of urinals, and putting them in stalls nullifies said convenience of literally mere seconds, irrelevant to me but apparently relevant to others. Then there's the half-joke you always hear made by married comedians about "leaving the seat up," because apparently putting a seat down in an extremely difficult task, though mostly I think it's bacterial issues, and there's the fact that if the men then didn't, and weren't neat in their pissing, women would complain about piss on the seat. But that's to the bathrooms in general, not urinals. Though there is also then the problem of women shitting in the urinal if they've indeed never seen it before, they may think it an odd new toilet style, which also means they could lean their back against the back of the urinal, attracting God-knows-what bacteria onto their back, and likely also making their clothes slightly, disgustingly, and uncomfortably wet.