Transgender student suspended for using wrong bathroom - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33366977] Though there is also then the problem of women shitting in the urinal if they've indeed never seen it before, they may think it an odd new toilet style, which also means they could lean their back against the back of the urinal, attracting God-knows-what bacteria onto their back, and likely also making their clothes slightly, disgustingly, and uncomfortably wet.[/QUOTE] women aren't retarded they know what urinals are

[QUOTE=thisispain;33366990]women aren't retarded they know what urinals are[/QUOTE] That depends on the person, society, culture, memory, and popculture exposure, among other things. You cannot guarantee that every woman everywhere will know what a urinal is. Of course I'm playing devil's advocate, this isn't even an issue I truly care about. I'd find mixed-gender washrooms odd at first, being unaccustomed to the presence of women in a public washroom, but I'd both get over it and have no problem with it, nor would I have a problem with abolishing urinals, I never use them myself.

[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;33366811]Except then it would become taboo to enter the unisex bathroom; and then rumors start spreading and the next thing you know you have a suicide.[/QUOTE] I'd use it just so I don't have to use the public one.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33366977]Why do you think most often it's the stick figures on bathroom signs? It's for those who are illiterate in the language. Literacy doesn't necessarily mean completely, but also language literacy, and if someone's visiting a county they may not speak or read the language there.[/QUOTE] Yes, I know. That's why I mentioned iconographers (those people who make the stick figures in a way that people consistently recognize). [QUOTE]There's also, as mentioned, the apparent "convenience" of urinals, and putting them in stalls nullifies said convenience of literally mere seconds, irrelevant to me but apparently relevant to others.[/QUOTE] They don't need to be in stalls. Half-stalls - that is, just walls between urinals - should be sufficient for privacy. If necessary, the urinals could also be sectioned off. [QUOTE]Then there's the half-joke you always hear made by married comedians about "leaving the seat up," because apparently putting a seat down in an extremely difficult task, though mostly I think it's bacterial issues, and there's the fact that if the men then didn't, and weren't neat in their pissing, women would complain about piss on the seat. But that's to the bathrooms in general, not urinals.[/QUOTE] My that's just full of assumptions regarding behavior and sanitation of genders. I don't think any of it is valid, for anyone. [QUOTE]Though there is also then the problem of women shitting in the urinal if they've indeed never seen it before, they may think it an odd new toilet style, which also means they could lean their back against the back of the urinal, attracting God-knows-what bacteria onto their back, and likely also making their clothes slightly, disgustingly, and uncomfortably wet.[/QUOTE] I cannot take this seriously as a concern.

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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33367055]I'd use it just so I don't have to use the public one.[/QUOTE] I tied using one once on campus because there's not enough space in the stall in normal ones in that building for me to lay down my 2 bags and coat comfortably, but it was locked. I don't even think it's because there was someone in it, I think it was just locked, which made the thing seem kind of useless to me.

I don't understand. She's a girl in the girl bathroom. What's the problem? [QUOTE=Last or First;33365947] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QFwo57WKwg[/media][/QUOTE] Great, I remember seeing this before and now I'll never get it out of my head.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33367086]I tied using one once on campus because there's not enough space in the stall in normal ones in that building for me to lay down my 2 bags and coat comfortably, but it was locked. I don't even think it's because there was someone in it, I think it was just locked, which made the thing seem kind of useless to me.[/QUOTE] Are you sure it wasn't the maintenance room or that staff bathroom?

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33367063]Yes, I know. That's why I mentioned iconographers (those people who make the stick figures in a way that people consistently recognize). They don't need to be in stalls. Half-stalls - that is, just walls between urinals - should be sufficient for privacy. If necessary, the urinals could also be sectioned off. My that's just full of assumptions regarding behavior and sanitation of genders. I don't think any of it is valid, for anyone. I cannot take this seriously as a concern.[/QUOTE] The biggest issues on the problem with urinals in unisex bathrooms from the two sides, though, are convenience on the side of men and privacy mostly on the side of women, but partially on the side of men. Men don't want that few small seconds they save to be taken from them, and they don't want women watching them piss, or they'd worry about (God I can't believe I'm about to go here) women looking at their dicks to compare sizes. Women then also wouldn't want an open area where men just whip out their dicks and piss, but setting that area aside and labelling it "men" brings it back to the core issue of sex/gender-divided washrooms, and also hits the issue of inconvenience. You know what, fuck it, this is a little derailing, I don't really care about the issue, I'm done arguing it. That last bit about dick sizes made me realize how completely ridiculous arguments about bathrooms become. [editline]21st November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33367112]Are you sure it wasn't the maintenance room or that staff bathroom?[/QUOTE] I don't think staff have specific bathrooms on campus, though that is possible.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33366990]women aren't retarded they know what urinals are[/QUOTE] wait you're supposed to [I]piss[/I] in the urinal??? jesus christ why did no one tell me this!? [editline]21st November 2011[/editline] that can't be right, if you're supposed to piss in them why do they provide that handy sanitary cake for wiping afterwards?

Y'know, there's a process to change your legal gender. It's long and tedious, but it does exist. I'm very much for trans rights, but I can't really blame the school for sticking to the person's legal gender. Taking things on a case-by-case basis is beyond their means.

[QUOTE=3picFail;33365794]Don't take this the wrong way, but I've noticed that staff bathrooms are usually nicer and well kept, unlike student restrooms. But on a more related note my opinion is that if the student is mentally and physically female they shouldn't be persecuted for using the girls restroom, but the precautions taken by the faculty were probably to avoid lawsuits, and for the students own protection.[/QUOTE] She's not physically female, it says nothing about transsexuality

I have an idea, WHY DON'T WE GET RID OF MALE/FEMALE BATHROOMS? Unisex sounds better.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;33367800]I have an idea, WHY DON'T WE GET RID OF MALE/FEMALE BATHROOMS? Unisex sounds better.[/QUOTE] have you been in a school restroom?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;33367689]She's not physically female, it says nothing about transsexuality[/QUOTE] So you'd send someone who'd been on hormones for years and dresses in feminine clothes into the male bathrooms just because they hadn't had a sex-change operation?

[QUOTE=Skelmech;33366717]Fixed that for you. :smile:[/QUOTE] Once they're a transgender I can call them any gender.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366486]Or you can respond with a headbanging image that explains nothing other then you getting pissed off over text. In my opinion, penises belong in the male washroom and pussy's belong in the female washroom. Single washroom for both sex' is a interesting concept though.[/QUOTE] Sorry, um, do intersex people not exist in your world, or something?

[QUOTE=Last or First;33365947][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QFwo57WKwg[/media][/QUOTE] Woah that was different. Reminds me of that one old chinese film where some lady had a crazy hand like that chasing around this dude. Thanks for the music.

I now identify myself as a female Giggity

[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;33367530]Y'know, there's a process to change your legal gender. It's long and tedious, but it does exist. I'm very much for trans rights, but I can't really blame the school for sticking to the person's legal gender. Taking things on a case-by-case basis is beyond their means.[/QUOTE] For people under the age of 18 (which I'm presuming this girl is), that's often not an option. AFAIK, you can only change your gender when you've been living as your preferred gender for some time, and have undergone hormones/sexual reassignment surgery. People under 18 can't often do those things, for various reasons. [editline]21st November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;33366977] Though there is also then the problem of women shitting in the urinal if they've indeed never seen it before, they may think it an odd new toilet style, which also means they could lean their back against the back of the urinal, attracting God-knows-what bacteria onto their back, and likely also making their clothes slightly, disgustingly, and uncomfortably wet.[/QUOTE] This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard in my life.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33366977]Though there is also then the problem of women shitting in the urinal if they've indeed never seen it before, they may think it an odd new toilet style, which also means they could lean their back against the back of the urinal, attracting God-knows-what bacteria onto their back, and likely also making their clothes slightly, disgustingly, and uncomfortably wet.[/QUOTE] i'm just glad women are as clueless about our bathrooms as we are theirs i for one have no idea what goes on in the womens restroom i heard once that they just deposit canisters of waste in large hole where the toilet would usually go, but seeing as how i'm not a woman, i guess i'll never know what truly goes on in the women's bathroom

I mean, it's not like girls spies one another while they piss. So in which way does her sitting and pissing like every other girl offend someone? It wouldn't offend me having a tranny girl pissing in male bathrooms and no, I wouldn't want to spy on him or rape him and I'm sure he wouldn't rape me either, since you don't start dressing up like a boy and wearing pants with a dick on it for some reasons that are not having a male sexuality and being interested in femenine genitalia. [editline]21st November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;33367800]I have an idea, WHY DON'T WE GET RID OF MALE/FEMALE BATHROOMS? Unisex sounds better.[/QUOTE] In my university, other than having bathooms for men, for women and for handicaps, there is also bathroom for everyone. There are no urinators, but just rooms with toilets. every room got an air circulation device that removes any bad smell. Then there is the main room with 2 handbasins and 2 mirrors. Surprisingly enough, is very clean and functional, and, in my opinion, is even better than the male ones.

Transgender can also apply to females.. I bet if a female were to sex change to a male and use a male bathroom, there wouldn't be any problems.

[QUOTE=Toyokunari;33368312]Transgender can also apply to females.. I bet if a female were to sex change to a male and use a male bathroom, there wouldn't be any problems.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind it wasn't students who had a problem with it (AFIAK) it was the faculty. So, no, I'm sure a female-to-male transgender would get the same punishment if they used the Male Restroom.

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;33368037]Once they're a transgender I can call them any gender.[/QUOTE] uh no if they are transgender then they are transgender like you fucking totally made yourself look like a dingus by contradicting your own statement. seriously did you even read your own post? seriously, i'm genuinely interested. please tell me

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;33368037]Once they're a transgender I can call them any gender.[/QUOTE] Um, what the fuck? No you can't? She identifies as Female which means her brain is female.

Do people go in a restroom matching their... equipment? Honest question.

[QUOTE=Skelmech;33368560]Um, what the fuck? No you can't? She identifies as Female which means her brain is female.[/QUOTE] Did he get surgery or is she acting and pretending to be a girl? If he got surgery his documents would say 'MTF'.

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;33368775]Did he get surgery or is she acting and pretending to be a girl? If he got surgery his documents would say 'MTF'.[/QUOTE] Seriously? [B]She[/B] isn't "pretending" to [I]be[/I] anything, she was born with the mind of a [B]FEMALE[/B]. As such and if she presents as, [B]SHE IS FEMALE[/B]. Did you know not EVERY Transperson gets surgery? some feel comfortable with just hormones, some feel comfortable with just being referred to as the pronoun they prefer. There is no surgical classification called "MtF" or "FtM" for that matter. Do you know anything about transpeople, or are you just talking out of your ass?

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33366617]I'm stating facts that, indeed school washrooms are separated by sex and not gender.[/QUOTE] I've helped design a bathroom before. More than one, actually. I happen to know that on the engineering, architectural and plumbing end of things there is not any mention or concern for sex on any blueprints. Some, notably, industrial ones where there's no urinal, are completely indistinguishable from one another, making them separated by their position relative to each other. You know, "bathroom A" and "bathroom B" or "da shitter on da left" vs. "da shitter on da right" or "the easy one" y "the one that'll be a complete bitch to hook up because it's on the wrong end of the facility." Now, when you say "fact", that to me implies something a person can cite. Like, you can cite me here as a Xenocidebot, bathroom expert, talking about bathrooms on the internet. So I think you need to either establish yourself as having some industry experience here or cite for me this radical fact from wherever you found it, because you've clearly got some real insider information on the subject, and I'm missing something I need to share with...well, everybody in the construction and design industries for this end of the continent, really. I wonder how we existed for so long without this astounding little factoid?