if it is true all the consumers "going green" won't do shit (though it is good to use less resources). The majority of truly harmful gasses comes from the huge meat industry. Until people stop eating so many burgers the world is just going to get hotter, oh right I forgot a couple of scientists screwed up on some data and its rly RLY cold this year so global warming must not exist :downs:
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;20253241]if it is true all the consumers "going green" won't do shit (though it is good to use less resources). The majority of truly harmful gasses comes from the huge meat industry. Until people stop eating so many burgers the world is just going to get hotter, oh right I forgot a couple of scientists screwed up on some data and its rly RLY cold this year so global warming must not exist :downs:[/QUOTE]
To answer why it's so cold this year, a lot of scientists think that global warming in the pacific has effected the el nino current, causing it to give absurd effects off the gulf of mexico and upwards into the continent, generating extremes like the east coast snowstorm.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20253153]Need some sources? Here is a list of professional sources.
NASA [url]http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html[/url] [url]http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarmingQandA/[/url] [url]http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif[/url] (The graph)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration National Climatic Data Center [url]http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html[/url]
World Meteorological Organization (WMO) [url]http://www.wmo.ch/pages/about/wmo50/e/world/climate_pages/global_warming_e.html[/url]
American Meteorological Society [url]http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2007climatechange.html[/url]
National Center for Atmospheric Research “How do we know Earth is warming now?” [url]http://www.ncar.ucar.edu/research/climate/now.php[/url]
Earth System Research Laboratory - Global Monitoring Division “Climate Forcing” [url]http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/about/climate.html[/url]
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research [url]http://www.ucar.edu/research/climate/warming.jsp[/url]
Jet Propulsion Laboratory - California Institute of Technology “Global Climate Change” “How do we know?” [url]http://climate.jpl.nasa.gov/evidence/[/url]
American Geophysical Union (world's largest scientific society of Earth and space scientists) “Human Impacts on Climate” [url]http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html[/url]
American Association for the Advancement of Science “The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now” [url]http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/climate_change/mtg_200702/aaas_climate_statement.pdf[/url] [url]http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/climate_change/[/url]
The United States Energy Information Administration “Greenhouse Gases, Climate Change, and Energy” [url]http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/greenhouse/Chapter1.htm[/url]
Massachusetts Institute of Technology “Report: Human activity fuels global warming” [url]http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/climate.html[/url]
California Institute of Technology “How We Know Global Warming is Real” “The science behind human-induced climate change” [url]http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~tapio/papers/skeptic_2008.pdf[/url]
Atmospheric Sciences - University of Illinois - Champaign “Evidence continues to mount that human activities are altering the Earth’s climate on a global scale.” [url]http://www.atmos.uiuc.edu/research/01climate.html[/url]
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution “Global Warming” [url]http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12457[/url]
The UK’s Met Office Hadley Centre “Climate change - the big picture” [url]http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/index.html[/url] [url]http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/guide/[/url]
The UK’s Royal Society “Climate change controversies: a simple guide” [url]http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=6229[/url]
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (Based in Switzerland) “Climate Change 2007: Synthesis Report” [url]http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf[/url]
Japan Meteorological Agency “Global Warming Projection Vol.7” [url]http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/gwp/gwp7/index-e.html[/url]
The Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society “Our climate has changed substantially.” “Global climate change and global warming are real and observable.” [url]http://www.amos.org.au/publications/cid/3/t/publications[/url]
Royal Society of New Zealand “The globe is warming because of increasing greenhouse gas emissions.” [url]http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/Site/news/media_releases/2008/clim0708.aspx[/url]
National Geographic Magazine [url]http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/[/url]
Scientific American Magazine [url]http://www.sciam.com/topic.cfm?id=global-warming-and-climate-change[/url][/QUOTE]
you're kidding yourself if you think anybody will read that
Nice dailymail source compared to this-
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20253153]Need some sources? Here is a list of professional sources.
*Bigass list of sources*
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[QUOTE=Lankist;20253319]you're kidding yourself if you think anybody will read that[/QUOTE]
Of course none of you will, because you'd all rather be spoon fed information from one media source rather than read the actual research. This is why people still believe there is no global warming, when CLEARLY there is an insane amount of research disagreeing with that.
Why did you say "you?"
I'm not with them, cabron
I guess that's cool
[QUOTE=Spartex;20252722]Finally, now can we please stop persuing electric vehicles and get back to nice meaty V12 petrol engines.[/QUOTE]
Until we all run out of fuel.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20253413]Of course none of you will, because you'd all rather be spoon fed information from one media source rather than read the actual research. This is why people still believe there is no global warming, when CLEARLY there is an insane amount of research disagreeing with that.[/QUOTE]
Calm down. People have a right to dispute Global Warming especially with the whole climate gate crap. Right or not scientist dug them self's a hole and have pay for it.
Remember: correlation does not imply causation
and it took forever to prove cigarettes were harmful and data for that was a lot easier to get. Don't except everyone to agree with you especially on a topic like this.
[quote=guru-guru;20253717]calm down. People have a right to dispute global warming especially with the whole climate gate crap.[/quote]
loud, vocalized sigh
[IMG]http://www.bradblog.com/Images/JoelPett_ClimateSummitHoaxForNothing_120709.jpg[/IMG]
Pretty much sums up my point
What the eff?
Is this a :foxnews: post or something?
[B]Global Warming [/B]isn't the popular term these days. In fact, [B]global warming [/B]hasn't been the popular term for a few years now.
[B]Climate change[/B] is the correct term. [B]Climate change[/B] is the term used to explain how in some places the Earth will get warmer, while in others the Earth will get cooler. [B]Climate change[/B] shows basically that we are affecting the climate with our pollution and carbon.
Besides, doesn't the end justify the means? Who the fuck cares if it there is or isn't global warming, let's fucking clean up the planet. I'm tired of not seeing the Sierra mountains that are only 30 miles away because of all the fucking smog in Sacramento.
lankist is edgy cause he makes people feel so bad they stop using electricity to power their computers
hes cool
[QUOTE=coolmang;20255801]lankist is edgy cause he makes people feel so bad they stop using electricity to power their computers
hes cool[/QUOTE]
your next
[QUOTE=Guru-guru;20253717]Calm down. People have a right to dispute Global Warming especially with the whole climate gate crap. Right or not scientist dug them self's a hole and have pay for it.
Remember: correlation does not imply causation
and it took forever to prove cigarettes were harmful and data for that was a lot easier to get. Don't except everyone to agree with you especially on a topic like this.[/QUOTE]
You do have this right, but all I ask for you to do is bring the evidence support this forward.
Correlation does often imply cause! Cigarettes were easily proven bad for you when suddenly everyone who smoked started getting lung cancer. This was done via correlation.
[QUOTE=Glaber;20252680]“unequivocal"[/QUOTE]
the fuck does that mean.
Global Warming my asshole... It's fucking been in the 20s all week in Georgia... And it was snowed in 49 states within the past week...
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20253126]You guys are morons plain and simple. "Oh I told you so?" This doesn't refute anything. Glaciers ARE disappearing. Here in Minnesota it snows less and less every year. 95% of scientists DO believe climate change is occurring. The sea levels ARE rising.
You are all being tricked by the bullshit of pseudoscience, where corporations pay scientists to generate bullshit statistics that make their case look better. The same thing happened in the 1700s when scientists claimed whites were superior simply because of the shape of the skull and the correlation to education background. Blacks couldn't get education, how good is that?
Is this graph that hard to understand?
So the UN fucks up (How is that newsworthy anyways?) and suddenly a gigantic scientific theory that has tons of data supporting it is invalid? Come on! Use common sense![/QUOTE]
That graph is just extremely misleading.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwnrpwctIh4[/media]
Are we done here?
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20253126]So the UN fucks up (How is that newsworthy anyways?) and suddenly a gigantic scientific theory that has tons of data supporting it is invalid? Come on! Use common sense![/QUOTE]
Shall we play "Battle of the Graphs?"
[img]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/wteach/Global%20Warming/warming_graph.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=E1025;20252748]I don't really care if Global Warming is real or not because if it was real, it's not up to the general public to stop it. The general public can't control if majorly polluting industry / power plants are built, if companies continue to destroy rain forests. etc...
For those who are thinking 'well maybe you could turn off your lights during the day or stop driving' that wouldn't help because you aren't forced to do it; others will continue to waste energy regardless. It pisses me off when commercials say 'hurr durr reduce carbon footprint derp stop making CO2'.[/QUOTE]
What [I]really[/I] annoys me when Goverments try to guilt trip us into making these changes. While it's happening (or not, i'm crap at science) it's wrong to try put that blame on us when they regulate the industry.
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[QUOTE=Reborn9;20253772][IMG]http://www.bradblog.com/Images/JoelPett_ClimateSummitHoaxForNothing_120709.jpg[/IMG]
Pretty much sums up my point[/QUOTE]
I think this was in the Metro, bashing Conservatives is fun :buddy:
[QUOTE=cephalopoid;20254011]What the eff?
Is this a :foxnews: post or something?
[B]Global Warming [/B]isn't the popular term these days. In fact, [B]global warming [/B]hasn't been the popular term for a few years now.
[B]Climate change[/B] is the correct term. [B]Climate change[/B] is the term used to explain how in some places the Earth will get warmer, while in others the Earth will get cooler. [B]Climate change[/B] shows basically that we are affecting the climate with our pollution and carbon.
Besides, doesn't the end justify the means? Who the fuck cares if it there is or isn't global warming, let's fucking clean up the planet. I'm tired of not seeing the Sierra mountains that are only 30 miles away because of all the fucking smog in Sacramento.[/QUOTE]
Nope. I left out Fox news this time. I got these links thanks to Mark Levin. They were posted on his website at [url]http://www.marklevinshow.com/home.asp[/url]
[QUOTE=Guru-guru;20253717]Calm down. People have a right to dispute Global Warming especially with the whole climate gate crap. Right or not scientist dug them self's a hole and have pay for it. .[/QUOTE]
By updating their climate models on tree rings? We better keep an eye on those evil scientists!!
Even if humans arn't causing global warming we still need to tone down the air pollution
air is getting stale and brown
[QUOTE=Wakka;20252702]Al Gore, brilliant schemer.[/QUOTE]
He just wanted a Nobel Peace Prize.
[QUOTE=T-Minus10;20260248]By updating their climate models on tree rings? We better keep an eye on those evil scientists!![/QUOTE]
Ah, but they left out trees from Russia that showed cooling.
[QUOTE=Wakka;20252702]Al Gore, brilliant schemer.[/QUOTE]
Give him a break.
He did invent the internet after all.
[QUOTE=Glaber;20260460]Ah, but they left out trees from Russia that showed cooling.[/QUOTE]
Source? IIRC, trees are only good for telling changes in weather and not climate.
~snip and paste~
got Mark's Source!
[url]http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-234092--.html[/url]
[quote=OCRegister]Russia-Gate II – Speaking of Russia, a presentation last October to the Geological Society of America showed how tree-ring data from Russia indicated cooling after 1961, but was deceptively truncated and only artfully discussed in IPCC publications. Well, at least the tree-ring data made it into the IPCC report, albeit disguised and misrepresented.[/quote]
That's because we're coming out of a fucking El Nino. Changes in Ocean temperature are causing global temperatures to fall slightly. This is a commonly know phenomenon.
Even the fucking climate change deniers accept that.
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[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;20258750]Shall we play "Battle of the Graphs?"
[img]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/wteach/Global%20Warming/warming_graph.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
You posted that graph in the last thread, and yes, the bottom one is still only fucking Europe.
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