Newsnight caught in fresh paedophile storm amid claims 'senior political figure' will be outed on to - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291242]It's a completely authoritative source, Bobie. And it's in a format someone of your intellectual caliber might be able to follow. I thought you like science?[/QUOTE] that doesn't prove that paedophiles can't be rehabilitated lmao and you're STILL ignoring my source! PLS READ MY SOURCE

[QUOTE=Bobie;38291205]because you posted a terrible source, ignored mine and screamed "LALALALALALALA" as i countered your argument[/QUOTE] What? You brought up property rights for some dumbfuck reason that I still have yet to figure out. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;38291255]that doesn't prove that paedophiles can't be rehabilitated lmao[/QUOTE] You can't rehabilitate mental deficiency. [quote]Cantor expressed the opinion that society should make it easier for persons who are sexually attracted to children but have never committed any sexual offenses to receive support and assistance in staying offense free.[/quote] I agree with this. Molesters should be exterminated, pedophiles that have not acted on their desires should receive help. But don't fucking delude yourself into thinking that we can magically turn them non-pedophile. That's the equivalent of advocating gay rehabilitation centers, it's stupid and ignores the evidence of their illness.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38291240]Something inside of me requires me to dislike pedos to the maximum extent possible, I don't know why.[/QUOTE] No that's entirely reasonable, and I agree with you but you're allowing yourself to be driven by emotion on this issue which you can't do because fundamentally it hinders everyone. They're people with their problems, they should be helped really but the problem is they're so reviled by society that the mere mention that someone could be a pedo can get them lynched regardless of whether or not it's true. What needs to be done is they need to essentially be rehabilitated before they commit a crime, but that requires them to step forward and get help which won't happen with current society. Don't get me wrong, they're naturally unlikable bastards but that doesn't mean we can just hammer them down and leave them, same thing goes for anyone with any issue.

Why are we talking about selectively barring people from taking an active interest in how their government is run? We don't stop people from voting, so we're not gonna stop them from trying to steer their government in a way that, for all we know, could be very intelligently driven and beneficial for the people. Everyone gets an equal opportunity to be in government, regardless of race, creed, or fetish. Obviously the child abuse takes priority (and it's generally pretty hard to run a government from inside a prison) and it needs to be sorted as soon as possible, but at the very least we should give people an equal chance and see if they can't be of some use. It simply isn't fair to deprive people of that right, just because they've got some risque but entirely maintainable fetishes.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291260][B]Molesters should be exterminated,[/B] pedophiles that have not acted on their desires should receive aid in prevention. But don't fucking delude yourself into thinking that we can magically turn them non-pedophile.[/QUOTE] er ok i'm going to ignore that first bit and carry on from there my point isn't that we should allow paedophiles to flourish and then rehabilitate them. my point is to [B] [I]ENSURE THEY DON'T EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE![/I][/B] a higher standard of living, greater stability in terms of parental relationships and a more loving/caring environment can be a stellar method of getting rid of this completely. if it turns out that they've become the outlier and are attracted to children, give them all the rehabilitation they deserve. molesters only exist because they've been allowed to exist. plus i'd also like to see some actual sources sometime soon. a vimeo description =/= a source backed by other researchers of the same field

[QUOTE=Bobie;38291362]molesters only exist because they've been allowed to exist.[/QUOTE] Molestation is a choice, pedophilia isn't. You can't rehabilitate a pedophile, you can simply help them prevent acting on their desires. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;38291362] plus i'd also like to see some actual sources sometime soon. a vimeo description =/= a source backed by other researchers of the same field[/QUOTE] Please point out for what reason you are discrediting his study. Enlighten me Bobie, instead of just rejecting everything that contradicts your viewpoint.

Funfact, paedophiles were often abused themselves when they were younger.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291389]Molestation is a choice, pedophilia isn't. You can't rehabilitate a pedophile, you can simply help them prevent acting on their desires.[/QUOTE] If they aren't capable of acting on their desires, then surely they're at least functionally normal? Why the distinction between a regular dude and a dude who used to be a pedophile but now basically isn't?

It's funny that your source was a blog post and mine was a discussion by a renowned sexology researcher.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291260]Molesters should be exterminated, pedophiles that have not acted on their desires should receive help.[/QUOTE] Okay I guess it's fine to start murdering people.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291389]Molestation is a choice, pedophilia isn't. You can't rehabilitate a pedophile, you can simply help them prevent acting on their desires. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] Please point out for what reason you are discrediting his study. Enlighten me Bobie, instead of just rejecting everything that contradicts your viewpoint.[/QUOTE] it's not a study (its a vimeo description) if he has his study in written form, published and reviewed by credible researchers then i'm all ears. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;38291444]It's funny that your source was a blog post and mine was a discussion by a renowned sexology researcher.[/QUOTE] Goode, S. D. (2010). Understanding and addressing adult sexual attraction to children: A study of paedophiles in contemporary society. New York, NY: Routledge. Jenkins, P. (2004). Moral panic changing concepts of the child molester in modern America. New Haven, CT: Yale Univ Press. Kincaid, J. R. (1998). Erotic innocence: The culture of child molesting. Durham, NC: Duke University Press. Seto, M. C. (2008). Pedophilia and sexual offending against children: Theory, assessment, and intervention. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.

That's the works cited from a blog post Bobie. Are you not getting something here? You literally must be retarded.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291515]That's the works cited from a blog post Bobie. Are you not getting something here, you literally must be retarded. I highly doubt you've consulted any of those sources yourself.[/QUOTE] instead of calling me retarded, find the sources pls i thought you shit your pants earlier about how i used an ad hominem now look

[QUOTE=Bobie;38291527]instead of calling me retarded, find the sources pls i thought you shit your pants earlier about how i used an ad hominem now look[/QUOTE] Bobie I'm not basing my argument on your stupidity, it's just readily apparent. Understanding MRI Research on Pedophilia James M. Cantor, PhD [url]http://individual.utoronto.ca/james_cantor/blog2.html[/url] Bogaert, A. F. (2001). Handedness, criminality, and sexual offending. Neuropsychologia, 39, 465–469. Cantor, J. M., Kabani, N., Christensen, B. K., Zipursky, R. B., Barbaree, H. E., Dickey, R., Klassen, P. E., Mikulis, D. J., Kuban, M. E., Blak, T., Richards, B. A., Hanratty, M. K., & Blanchard, R. (2008). Cerebral white matter deficiencies in pedophilic men. Journal of Psychiatric Research, 42, 167–183. Cantor, J. M., Klassen, P. E., Dickey, R., Christensen, B. K., Kuban, M. E., Blak, T., Williams, N. S., & Blanchard, R. (2005). Handedness in pedophilia and hebephilia. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 34, 447–459. Cantor, J. M., Blanchard, R., Christensen, B. K., Dickey, R., Klassen, P. E., Beckstead, A. L., Blak, T., & Kuban, M. E. (2004). Intelligence, memory, and handedness in pedophilia. Neuropsychology, 18, 3–14. Cantor, J. M., Blanchard, R., Robichaud, L. K., & Christensen, B. K. (2005). Quantitative reanalysis of aggregate data on IQ in sexual offenders. Psychological Bulletin, 131, 555–568. Hepper, P. G., Shahidullah, S., & White, R. (1991). Handedness in the human fetus. Neuropsychologia, 29, 1107–1111. Hepper, P. G., Wells, D. L., & Lynch, C. (2005). Prenatal thumb sucking is related to postnatal handedness. Neuropsychologia, 43, 313–315. Mouras, H., & Stoléru, S. (2007). Functional neuroanatomy of sexual arousal. In F. R. Kandeel, T. F. Lue, J. L. Pryor, and R. S. Swerdloff (Eds.), Male sexual dysfunction: Pathophysiology and treatment (pp. 39–54). New York: Informa Healthcare. Safron, A., Barch, B., Bailey, J. M., Gitelman, D. R., Parrish, T. B., & Reber, P. J. (2007). Neural correlates of sexual arousal in homosexual and heterosexual men. Behavioral Neuroscience, 121, 237–248. Stoléru, S., & Mouras, H. (2007). Brain functional imaging studies of sexual desire and arousal in human males. In E. Janssen (Ed.), The psychophysiology of sex (pp. 3–34). Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press. Ooh, look how many references his article has. By your logic that must mean something.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291594]Bobie I'm not basing my argument on your stupidity[/QUOTE] oh man i love it when people take the intelligence high ground then their argument works against them get ready for it GET READY FOR IT ZINGER OF THE CENTURY [quote]That is, [b]we found no evidence to suggest that pedophilic men have a neurological reason to be less capable of controlling their behaviors than are men who commit nonsexual crimes.[/b] Although it is never possible to completely rule out the possibility that pedophiles suffer from an impulsivity problem, our project used very large samples (relative to most MRI research) and powerful statistical techniques. So, if pedophilic men do suffer from a neurological problem in self-control, it is likely to be either small or a type of problem that is invisible to conventional MRI.[/quote]

[quote]This indicates that [b]at least some important differences in brain organization existed in pedophilic individuals long before they engaged in any pedophilic behaviors[/b]. Thus, although it remains possible that environment influences interacted with the differences in the brain, the simpler interpretation of these findings is that some factor was present, early in development, that affected brain development in a way that caused the handedness differences, pedophilia, and the other brain-related characteristics that have been found in pedophiles (such as lower than average IQs; Cantor, Blanchard, Robichaud, & Christensen, 2005).[/quote] Seppuku is the only honorable option.

death sentence

[quote]we found no evidence to suggest that pedophilic men have a neurological reason to be less capable of controlling their behaviors than are men who commit nonsexual crimes[/quote] This is only supporting my argument Bobie. This is why you cannot rehabilitate pedophilia because it's due to inherent brain differences. And that's why if a pedophile acts on it, he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291677]Seppuku is the only honorable option.[/QUOTE] asking me to kill myself its like im reading ayn rand but that doesn't prove anything. the statement i gave is directly relevant to my argument, what you're doing is just bill o'reillying findings around for your own benefit.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38291708]the statement i gave is directly relevant to my argument[/QUOTE] How? [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] Seems to me that it's only supporting what I've been saying this entire thread. I award you no zings.

guys guys pls can we just get back to david cameron [img]http://gestetnerupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/David-Cameron-Sad.jpg[/img]

And may god have mercy on your soul

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291742]How? [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] Seems to me that it's only supporting what I've been saying this entire thread. I award you no zings.[/QUOTE] pedo no commit crime 4 brain reason!!! (EXPLAINED IT IN A WAY SOMEONE OF YOUR INTELLECTUAL CALIBRE COULD UNDERSTAND.... HEH...)

[QUOTE=Bobie;38291785]pedo no commit crime 4 brain reason!!![/quote] No they are capable of limiting their behavior like everyone else. That doesn't change the fact that they have an unusual desire to have sex with children Bobie. This is what you're missing in-between your attempted mockery. Cool your jets and read the damn study. A pedophile is as capable of not acting on his desire to rape kids as I am not acting on my desire to eat a cheeseburger. That doesn't change the fact that "pedo [b]is[/b] pedo 4 brain reason". This is the point you're ignoring because you are trying so hard to be right and clever. Just admit you're wrong and we can all move on.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291833]No they are capable of limiting their behavior like everyone else. That doesn't change the fact that they have an unusual desire to have sex with children Bobie. This is what you're missing in-between your attempted mockery. Cool your jets and read the damn study. A pedophile is as capable of not acting on his desire to rape kids as I am not acting on my desire to eat a cheeseburger. That doesn't change the fact that "pedo [B]is[/B] pedo 4 brain reason[/b]. This is the point you're ignoring because you are trying so hard to be right and clever. Just admit you're wrong and we can all move on.[/QUOTE] they're capable of 'limiting their behaviour' isnt that what rehabilitation is backpedal more pls

[QUOTE=Bobie;38291857]they're capable of 'limiting their behaviour' isnt that what rehabilitation is backpedal more pls[/QUOTE] No, rehabilitation means to restore. You can't restore someone with a mental illness. That's the point I'm trying to make. They belong in asylums, not an alcoholics anonymous for pedophiles. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] They're crazy.

[QUOTE=Strider*;38291909]No, rehabilitation means to restore. You can't restore someone with a mental illness. That's the point I'm trying to make. They belong in asylums, not an alcoholics anonymous for pedophiles. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] They're crazy.[/QUOTE] asylums are for people who are unable to function within any aspect of society paedophiles can clearly function without being molesters, provided with the correct intervention.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38291959]asylums are for people who are unable to function within any aspect of society paedophiles can clearly function without being molesters, provided with the correct intervention.[/QUOTE] They can't because nobody likes them and people are afraid of letting their children onto the same street as them.

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[QUOTE=laserguided;38291969]They can't because nobody likes them and people are afraid of letting their children onto the same street as them.[/QUOTE] then by that logic we should put ke$ha in an asylum