British soldier throws back grenade, saving 3 lives - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RBM11;20651358]Goddamn you have issues.[/QUOTE] Well it just happens a ironically learned some information on American military history today, this happened to bump up. This is what always happens with something British of American related though, someone has to come in and shit it up by inserting a "Well we're better because.." Thus I simply retorted.

So many COD puns

[QUOTE=Vasili;20650916]From what I have seen and heard from British soldiers, the American marines behave like they have watched too many action movies. The Americans used to be given cards, told not to gamble and drink with British soldiers - "Because you will lose" - not sure if they still give them out. While the rest of the world has thousands of years worth of military and warrior experience, America seems to have the films Rambo and Die Hard for their motivation. Firing at the hips, selling fast food in your barracks etc. Yet you've got films such as the Hurt Locker and many games featuring American soldiers which glorify themselves and make everyone else look incompetent. I mean I laughed the other day while watching that Hurt Locker, apparently three SAS men die from Taliban snipers but of course a glorious apple pie eating commie hating' American Marine comes in and is capable of using a 50 caliber sniper rifle to hit targets apparently a British special forces unit can't (which are specialized in Sniper weaponry, when a Marine is not). One thing the Americans do have is wreckless bravery. What I also found astonishing was how your system is run in the army, it is very old fashioned Prussian, basically your commanders fear the grunt getting high in the ranks so they purposely do not allow soldiers go up the chain this is basically because they fear the common man might question the actions of those richer - ie they're scared of Communism/Socialism ideals.[/QUOTE] Rofl. Don't talk like you know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=Vasili;20650916]From what I have seen and heard from British soldiers, the American marines behave like they have watched too many action movies. The Americans used to be given cards, told not to gamble and drink with British soldiers - "Because you will lose" - not sure if they still give them out. While the rest of the world has thousands of years worth of military and warrior experience, America seems to have the films Rambo and Die Hard for their motivation. Firing at the hips, selling fast food in your barracks etc. Yet you've got films such as the Hurt Locker and many games featuring American soldiers which glorify themselves and make everyone else look incompetent. I mean I laughed the other day while watching that Hurt Locker, apparently three SAS men die from Taliban snipers but of course a glorious apple pie eating commie hating' American Marine comes in and is capable of using a 50 caliber sniper rifle to hit targets apparently a British special forces unit can't (which are specialized in Sniper weaponry, when a Marine is not). One thing the Americans do have is wreckless bravery. What I also found astonishing was how your system is run in the army, it is very old fashioned Prussian, basically your commanders fear the grunt getting high in the ranks so they purposely do not allow soldiers go up the chain this is basically because they fear the common man might question the actions of those richer - ie they're scared of Communism/Socialism ideals.[/QUOTE] My cousin can vouch for this. He has been in Afghanistan since the start and refuses to come out, except to see his family for a week every now and again on leave. He has told me pretty similar stories and once told me "remember, if you ever are out there and the bullets are flying, keep your head down, shoot when its quiet and for gods sake don't go all macho and stand up." He told me a story of how an American soldier, fresh from training positively bounded into the front line, stuck his head over the wall of a roof saying: "where are those Afghan fuckers" he was dead, shot straight through the head before he could finish his sentence. Really sobering hearing stories like this and makes me thankful that there are people doing the fighting for us. Be them American, British or otherwise. It makes no difference.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;20651430] This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. You honestly and truly have no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] Actually I'm glad you came a long, seeing you're training or trained in American military, tell me your side.

[QUOTE=XCIV;20640577]That's why you cook your grenades before throwing.[/QUOTE] You never cook grenades. That puts your entire squad in danger. The fuse is a certain time length for a reason.

That soldier has balls. I'd never want to throw a grenade, let alone approach a live one and pick it up.

[QUOTE=Vasili;20650916] I mean I laughed the other day while watching that Hurt Locker, apparently three SAS men die from Taliban snipers but of course a glorious apple pie eating commie hating' American Marine comes in and is capable of using a 50 caliber sniper rifle to hit targets apparently a British special forces unit can't (which are specialized in Sniper weaponry, when a Marine is not). [/QUOTE] I thought they were SAS at first as well, but if you listen they are collecting a bounty. They are mercenaries/bounty hunters. Special forces wouldn't carry a .50 caliber sniper rifle without a dedicated sniper. And even then only if they had a specific target in mind. They are special application rifles.

[QUOTE=GunFox;20653685]I thought they were SAS at first as well, but if you listen they are collecting a bounty. They are mercenaries/bounty hunters. Special forces wouldn't carry a .50 caliber sniper rifle without a dedicated sniper. And even then only if they had a specific target in mind. They are special application rifles.[/QUOTE] At first I thought they where mercenaries, then it was mentioned about SAS, then it got really confusing. Worst film I have seen about war, but in terms of emotion I think it was good.

[QUOTE=Vasili;20650916] What I also found astonishing was how your system is run in the army, it is very old fashioned Prussian, basically your commanders fear the grunt getting high in the ranks so they purposely do not allow soldiers go up the chain this is basically because they fear the common man might question the actions of those richer - ie they're scared of Communism/Socialism ideals.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? The US military is like the only job in the US where anybody (EDIT: Anybody with a BRAIN) really can reach a high rank. Do well on the ASVAB ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASVAB[/url]) and they will pay for your higher education and push you into officer training. Or if you did exceptionally well in school you have a chance to enter West Point, which is fully paid for by the military in return for entering into active duty upon successful completion. Training at West Point will almost instantly earn you any job you please within your realm of expertise once you exit the military. Basically you have no idea what you are talking about.

:patriot: <- British equivalent of this.

[QUOTE=GunFox;20653854] The US military is like the only job in the US where anybody (EDIT: Anybody with a BRAIN) really can reach a high rank. Do well on the ASVAB ([URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASVAB[/URL]) and they will pay for your higher education and push you into officer training. [/QUOTE] I should of been more clear by saying I meant the American system being similar to Prussian, well more over during early 1900's and into the end of the 1980's, thats what I read from the book anyway.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;20646970]You'd be fucking paralysed by fear just as most people here, myself included.[/QUOTE] yellowoboe has no fear nor feelings

[QUOTE=Vasili;20654096]I should of been more clear by saying I meant the American system being similar to Prussian, well more over during early 1900's and into the end of the 1980's, thats what I read from the book anyway.[/QUOTE] So you are complaining about something that you know isn't the case currently. Moreover I still have no idea what you are talking about. I've never heard of American officers being afraid of layman advancement. The entire system is designed so that you WANT to have good people working for AND with you.

[QUOTE=Vasili;20653248]Actually I'm glad you came a long, seeing you're training or trained in American military, tell me your side.[/QUOTE] Gung-ho attitude? Yeah, maybe. It's the nature of the job. Adrenaline alters your mind. But pointless risks? We're soldiers, but we're still people. The risks we take are not motivated by a desire for glory. Even the most high-speed, gung-ho, motivated soldier on the field feels fear. It boils down to instinct and training once combat begins. The soldier in the story didn't stop to think about his actions when that grenade landed. If he had, he or his battle buddies would have been dead. He didn't risk himself in a vain search for glory, he did it because instinct and training dictated that it was his best chance of survival. That's the entire point of basic training. They drill you on how to forget thinking, on how to just [I]do[/I]. In clearing a room, you don't have time to think- only to react. They make combat instinctual. They don't train us into taking pointless risks, they train us into avoiding them by learning to ignore hesitation and doubt and to rely on instincts and training. It's a thin line, maybe, but it's a necessary distinction, and it's necessary to survival. And your bit about leaders not caring for their soldiers is one of the most offensively ignorant statements I've ever heard. My platoon sergeant is a fucking great guy. My entire chain of command is fantastic. My sergeant has been going out of his way to help me get a medical issue fixed that the doctors over at the clinic wanted to discharge me for two months ago, and one that would have shattered my long-term goals of being a commercial pilot. Because of him, I'm still fucking here. He didn't have to do any of the shit he's been doing for me, and he's had to pull all-nighters more times than I can count over these last two months, pushing the necessary papers and contacting the necessary people to make sure my needs are met. Even after all of the shit he's done, there's a chance they'll med-board me, but because of him they're at least going to fix me up first so that I can pursue the goals I've set for myself in life. I owe him fucking everything. My entire chain of command has pulled together to help me out because of him. I'm just one broken soldier who's been sitting on hold status for the past two months, but even with all the shit that's been going on they saw that I got my promotion when it was due, and that I can have a future doing what I want to do- as long as I'm motivated enough to chase it. All the NCO's and CO's I've had the pleasure of working under since I left for basic training have dedicated themselves body and soul to making sure that my battle buddies and I are ready for whatever life and war has to throw at us. They've made personal sacrifices and shed their own blood to make sure that we're trained and ready for every challenge we'll face in life, on and off the battlefield.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;20656022]Gung-ho attitude? Yeah, maybe. It's the nature of the job. Adrenaline alters your mind. But pointless risks? We're soldiers, but we're still people. The risks we take are not motivated by a desire for glory. Even the most high-speed, gung-ho, motivated soldier on the field feels fear. It boils down to instinct and training once combat begins. The soldier in the story didn't stop to think about his actions when that grenade landed. If he had, he or his battle buddies would have been dead. He didn't risk himself in a vain search for glory, he did it because instinct and training dictated that it was his best chance of survival. That's the entire point of basic training. They drill you on how to forget thinking, on how to just [I]do[/I]. In clearing a room, you don't have time to think- only to react. They make combat instinctual. They don't train us into taking pointless risks, they train us into avoiding them by learning to ignore hesitation and doubt and to rely on instincts and training. It's a thin line, maybe, but it's a necessary distinction, and it's necessary to survival. And your bit about leaders not caring for their soldiers is one of the most offensively ignorant statements I've ever heard. My platoon sergeant is a fucking great guy. My entire chain of command is fantastic. My sergeant has been going out of his way to help me get a medical issue fixed that the doctors over at the clinic wanted to discharge me for two months ago, and one that would have shattered my long-term goals of being a commercial pilot. Because of him, I'm still fucking here. He didn't have to do any of the shit he's been doing for me, and he's had to pull all-nighters more times than I can count over these last two months, pushing the necessary papers and contacting the necessary people to make sure my needs are met. Even after all of the shit he's done, there's a chance they'll med-board me, but because of him they're at least going to fix me up first so that I can pursue the goals I've set for myself in life. I owe him fucking everything. My entire chain of command has pulled together to help me out because of him. I'm just one broken soldier who's been sitting on hold status for the past two months, but even with all the shit that's been going on they saw that I got my promotion when it was due, and that I can have a future doing what I want to do- as long as I'm motivated enough to chase it. All the NCO's and CO's I've had the pleasure of working under since I left for basic training have dedicated themselves body and soul to making sure that my battle buddies and I are ready for whatever life and war has to throw at us. They've made personal sacrifices and shed their own blood to make sure that we're trained and ready for every challenge we'll face in life, on and off the battlefield.[/QUOTE] Hurr, you're just a big dumb american, what do you know? /sarcasm

As far as I know, American soldiers (Army and Marines alike) are trained in the basic operation of most weapon systems, including the M82. They learn how the weapon works and they get to fire it a few times, even though they won't ever use it in the field. Vasili isn't quite so smart if he thinks that the soldier in The Hurt Locker is unrealistic for picking up an M82 and knowing how to operate it efficiently, despite being a grunt. He's most likely used it a few times before in training, and it works exactly like any other scoped weapon when it comes down to aiming and adjusting.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;20656022]Gung-ho attitude? Yeah, maybe. It's the nature of the job. Adrenaline alters your mind. But pointless risks? We're soldiers, but we're still people. The risks we take are not motivated by a desire for glory. Even the most high-speed, gung-ho, motivated soldier on the field feels fear. It boils down to instinct and training once combat begins. The soldier in the story didn't stop to think about his actions when that grenade landed. If he had, he or his battle buddies would have been dead. He didn't risk himself in a vain search for glory, he did it because instinct and training dictated that it was his best chance of survival. That's the entire point of basic training. They drill you on how to forget thinking, on how to just [I]do[/I]. In clearing a room, you don't have time to think- only to react. They make combat instinctual. They don't train us into taking pointless risks, they train us into avoiding them by learning to ignore hesitation and doubt and to rely on instincts and training. It's a thin line, maybe, but it's a necessary distinction, and it's necessary to survival. And your bit about leaders not caring for their soldiers is one of the most offensively ignorant statements I've ever heard. My platoon sergeant is a fucking great guy. My entire chain of command is fantastic. My sergeant has been going out of his way to help me get a medical issue fixed that the doctors over at the clinic wanted to discharge me for two months ago, and one that would have shattered my long-term goals of being a commercial pilot. Because of him, I'm still fucking here. He didn't have to do any of the shit he's been doing for me, and he's had to pull all-nighters more times than I can count over these last two months, pushing the necessary papers and contacting the necessary people to make sure my needs are met. Even after all of the shit he's done, there's a chance they'll med-board me, but because of him they're at least going to fix me up first so that I can pursue the goals I've set for myself in life. I owe him fucking everything. My entire chain of command has pulled together to help me out because of him. I'm just one broken soldier who's been sitting on hold status for the past two months, but even with all the shit that's been going on they saw that I got my promotion when it was due, and that I can have a future doing what I want to do- as long as I'm motivated enough to chase it. All the NCO's and CO's I've had the pleasure of working under since I left for basic training have dedicated themselves body and soul to making sure that my battle buddies and I are ready for whatever life and war has to throw at us. They've made personal sacrifices and shed their own blood to make sure that we're trained and ready for every challenge we'll face in life, on and off the battlefield.[/QUOTE] What happened? If you don't mind me asking.

Bad ass mother fucker of the year.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;20646970]You'd be fucking paralysed by fear just as most people here, myself included.[/QUOTE] Too bad that's not what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=M3tis;20640767]Hurt... [B]Hurt[/B]? I think they would have exploded not just hurt. Pretty badass though.[/QUOTE] You must be one of those people who think a grenade blows up like an atom bomb. OT: That's really heroic. That guy is the definition of a soldier. But, I couldn't take your post as serious because I read in your avatar's voice

[QUOTE=Predat0r;20658597]You must be one of those people who think a grenade blows up like an atom bomb.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;20651430]Live grenades are frakkin intimidating. I've never seen a single game or movie do grenades justice. The explosive force of them is so much greater than I could have imagined. The shockwave from those is enough to blow your teeth out, even from behind cover. In basic training one guy would approach the line, do his grenade toss routine and drop behind cover. The rest of us would wait our turn in a bunker about twenty yards behind the forward bunker, where the soldier tossed the grenade from. Every time a grenade went off, the walls of our bunker would shake, and dust would from the ceiling. Since I'm fucking tall, standing in at 6'5, and the ceiling was fucking low, that meant that every explosion not only shook the bunker, it traveled through the bunker, into my head, and rattled my bones. It was wicked.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anteep2;20647438]the brick is made of a differen material, lol[/QUOTE] Yeah, because grenades are obviously made of rubber. [editline]06:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=RBM11;20651358]Goddamn you have issues.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;20651430]This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. You honestly and truly have no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] I can't speak directly about Marines, as youtube clips and word of mouth isn't enough knowledge. But it's not hard to imagine what Vasili wrote. Apparently, some American mercs behave the way an action hero would, wearing sleeveless vests with full gear on (heavy weapons included) even during lunch. Where as the British mercs would have a backup pistol regularly holstered to their thigh. You know, like normal people.

[QUOTE=WOO v5;20659809]Yeah, because grenades are obviously made of rubber. [editline]06:36AM[/editline] I can't speak directly about Marines, as youtube clips and word of mouth isn't enough knowledge. But it's not hard to imagine what Vasili wrote. Apparently, some American mercs behave the way an action hero would, wearing sleeveless vests with full gear on (heavy weapons included) even during lunch. Where as the British mercs would have a backup pistol regularly holstered to their thigh. You know, like normal people.[/QUOTE] Even private contractors have standard operating procedures, and requiring soldiers to wear full battle-rattle in an active combat zone while on duty is a very sensible precaution. A soldier on duty should [I]always[/I] have his weapon on hand and his vest on. Lunchtime is still in duty hours. It's a matter of safety, not trying to look cool. Though you [I]do[/I] look cool. It's an added bonus, not an objective.

This article was on the front page of our news paper today.

Must've been an [i]explosive[/i] moment for them.

[QUOTE=XCIV;20640577]That's why you cook your grenades before throwing.[/QUOTE] Then one day one of your grenades have a faulty fuse and you die as it explodes in you hand

All the nades i pick up are already coocked in MW2 :/, no team members around anyway...

[QUOTE=XCIV;20640577]That's why you cook your grenades before throwing.[/QUOTE] So British soldiers can die? Dick.

[quote=chilcoldcoolaid;20654062]:patriot: <- british equivalent of this.[/quote] DIY mate