Median net worth for blacks fell 83% to 2,170$ compared to $97,860 for whites in US

[Sexy Eskimo]

Racism is the problem? Ha! Bullshit.

It's more about the groupings in the society, black, mexicans, caucasians, latino and other groups and or ethnical, religion ect ect.

[butre]

these numbers are skewed. actual numbers for whites is $56,000, and actual numbers for blacks is $21,000 (last I saw, don't go taking this for absolute fact)

and no it's not racism causing it. it might have a little to do with it in certain backwoods areas but for the most part it's environment. black people are often raised differently than white people and if you deny that you are an idiot. it's these differences that lead these sorts of socioeconomic gaps.

look at this white man for instance:
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/do4q.jpg[/img]
when was the last time you saw someone like that working anything better than mcdonalds?

and on the other side of the spectrum:
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/m83b.jpg[/img]
when was the last time you saw someone like this working with the white man pictured above?

[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]

and then asians is a totally different story, many asian americans are either self employed or work in a family business which creates a lot of problems with these sort of analyses.

[that1dude24]

[QUOTE=acds;31045111]Racism might have played a small part, but you can't blame it all on racism. It's due to the environment they grow up in, not because white man is keeping black man down. [/quote]
[quote=study][B]All things being equal,[/B] a black man with no criminal record was about half as likely to get the job as an equally qualified white man, and had the same, or slightly less of a chance of getting the job as a white man with a criminal record. That is despite laws making it illegal to discriminate on the basis of either race or criminal history in New York. [/quote]
[url]http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/51561/study-shows-blacks-have-a-harder-time-getting-a-job-than-ex-convicts[/url]
I'm having trouble finding the study, but I do recall one that showed black sounding names had a much lower hire rate than white ones, all things aside from that equal.
[QUOTE=acds;31045111]African American culture doesn't stimulate cognitive development, and everyone is going to employ a well-spoken person instead of one using slang (no matter the skin colour).

"But not all blacks are ghetto-gangsters!" Yeah no shit that's not what I said, but as many more African Americans grow up in ghettos compared to Caucasians, it's going to pull down the average [B] a lot[/B] (and the median too).[/quote]
So why aren't the white trash trailer park stereotype pulling down the median for whites? I'd assume that there are as many, if not more of those type of people. If it were really an issue of them not sounding professional, why is this true?
[quote=study]The unemployment rate for black male college graduates 25 and older in 2009 has been nearly twice that of white male college graduates — 8.4 percent compared with 4.4 percent.[/quote]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;31045881]these numbers are skewed. actual numbers for whites is $56,000, and actual numbers for blacks is $21,000 (last I saw, don't go taking this for absolute fact)

and no it's not racism causing it. it might have a little to do with it in certain backwoods areas but for the most part it's environment. black people are often raised differently than white people and if you deny that you are an idiot. it's these differences that lead these sorts of socioeconomic gaps.

look at this white man for instance:
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/do4q.jpg[/img]
when was the last time you saw someone like that working anything better than mcdonalds?

and on the other side of the spectrum:
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/m83b.jpg[/img]
when was the last time you saw someone like this working with the white man pictured above?

[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]

and then asians is a totally different story, many asian americans are either self employed or work in a family business which creates a lot of problems with these sort of analyses.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://gyazo.com/1568e38bd4e85ca291df2730b0771849.png[/img]
[url]http://www.epi.org/page/-/BriefingPaper288.pdf?nocdn=1[/url]

There is a consistent gap between pay, which either points to them not being paid as much for the same job, or them not acquiring better paying jobs. If it were solely an issue of a social kind, it should level out far more than it does with those persons better educated.

[Ridge]

The white guilt in this thread is mind boggling. You know what's racist? Companies that are more likely to hire minorities as opposed to white males because they get a tax break if a certain percentage of their workforce is X skin color.

[chugmuffin]

The black dude at my work makes more than me.

[that1dude24]

[QUOTE=Ridge;31050001]The white guilt in this thread is mind boggling. You know what's racist? Companies that are more likely to hire minorities as opposed to white males because they get a tax break if a certain percentage of their workforce is X skin color.[/QUOTE]
Mind showing me a source? That they're more likely to be hired that is.

And mind sharing the actual percentage too? I'm certain that it isn't a proportional representation of the population, and the tax break is provided to alleviate some of the issues that I've already gone over in the thread.

It's not white guilt, it's that it boggles me that anyone can claim racism against blacks is dead or insignificant when there are so many things that prove otherwise.

[Miskav]

[QUOTE=that1dude24;31050116]Mind showing me a source? That they're more likely to be hired that is.

And mind sharing the actual percentage too? I'm certain that it isn't a proportional representation of the population, and the tax break is provided to alleviate some of the issues that I've already gone over in the thread.

It's not white guilt, it's that it boggles me that anyone can claim racism against blacks is dead or insignificant when there are so many things that prove otherwise.[/QUOTE]

This is less a case of direct racism though.

This is "trickle-down" racism.

Blacks live in poorer families on average, thus have lesser quality education, thus end up in worse jobs thus end up making less thus end up having poor families again.

Add on to this that blacks have a bigger reproduction rate (I remember reading that at least, less % of condom/pill use) and you have a situation born from racism hundreds of years ago.

[Vasili]

I think the problem is America's media portrayal of a blacks and this becoming a stereotype. It does not help that black music such as hip hop seems to have stagnated into a void of bitches, hoes, money and living a ghetto life (which honestly is not something appealing to a business employee). Maybe if people weren't brought up thinking "white people do this, black people do that" then America wouldn't be having this problem. I don't think its the issue of skin colour, I think its something to do with the way people assume blacks behave from what music/TV/news outlets tell them, and this isn't just a black exclusive problem as it applies to all races in the United States, some are worse than others however from the minor - 'white people can't dance' to the worse - 'blacks are thieves'.

[that1dude24]

[QUOTE=Miskav;31050403]This is less a case of direct racism though.

This is "trickle-down" racism.

Blacks live in poorer families on average, thus have lesser quality education, thus end up in worse jobs thus end up making less thus end up having poor families again.

Add on to this that blacks have a bigger reproduction rate (I remember reading that at least, less % of condom/pill use) and you have a situation born from racism hundreds of years ago.[/QUOTE]

The studies and citations I've posted are all from within the last six years. Hiring rates wouldn't be affected by "trickle down" racism.

[Vasili]

In short I think there is a growing problem with races stereotyping themselves.

[that1dude24]

[QUOTE=Vasili;31050583]In short I think there is a growing problem with races stereotyping themselves.[/QUOTE]

There definitely is. The perpetuation of, and the claims of viability of those stereotypes is literally the definition of racism.

[sottaly]

Blacks weren't the only people who were taken advantage of..any new immigrant coming to America were hated.

[Miskav]

[QUOTE=that1dude24;31050569]The studies and citations I've posted are all from within the last six years. Hiring rates wouldn't be affected by "trickle down" racism.[/QUOTE]

They would be as I've said.

Lower education = Lower credentials = Less likely to get hired.

[that1dude24]

[QUOTE=Miskav;31050688]They would be as I've said.

Lower education = Lower credentials = Less likely to get hired.[/QUOTE]

[quote]The unemployment rate for [B]black male college graduates[/B] 25 and older in 2009 has been nearly twice that of white male college graduates — 8.4 percent compared with 4.4 percent.[/quote]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html[/url]

[GarrettFox]

[QUOTE=acds;31045111]Racism might have played a small part, but you can't blame it all on racism. It's due to the environment they grow up in, not because white man is keeping black man down. African American culture doesn't stimulate cognitive development, and everyone is going to employ a well-spoken person instead of one using slang (no matter the skin colour).
"But not all blacks are ghetto-gangsters!" Yeah no shit that's not what I said, but as many more African Americans grow up in ghettos compared to Caucasians, it's going to pull down the average [B] a lot[/B] (and the median too).

Now racism in the first half of the 20th century on the other hand is probably the main cause.[/QUOTE]

Because we spend ungodly sums of money arresting them, putting them on trial, and incarcerating them with overwhelming ratios that favor putting Black men in jail.

Whites and blacks commit roughly the same amount of crime. African Americans comprise roughly 11% of population of the US. African Americans also account for HALF of all prisoners. HALF. Depending on the study, anywhere from 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 black men will serve prison time in their lifetime in the United States. The judicial system is overwhelmingly racist.

How are they supposed to gain any ground when we spend obscene amounts of money fucking them over? How are kids supposed to integrate into society, when society probably put their dad in jail?

IT. IS. RACISM.

[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;31050681]Blacks weren't the only people who were taken advantage of..any new immigrant coming to America were hated.[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, I remember that part of school. The part where they sent ships across the ocean to hunt down Irishmen, chain them up, and then drag them across the ocean to a foreign land in order to be sold as livestock.

Or the main character of Roots, Kunta O'Malley.

[Elecbullet]

[QUOTE=GunFox;31050858]Because we spend ungodly sums of money arresting them, putting them on trial, and incarcerating them with overwhelming ratios that favor putting Black men in jail.

Whites and blacks commit roughly the same amount of crime. African Americans comprise roughly 11% of population of the US. African Americans also account for HALF of all prisoners. HALF. Depending on the study, anywhere from 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 black men will serve prison time in their lifetime in the United States. The judicial system is overwhelmingly racist.

How are they supposed to gain any ground when we spend obscene amounts of money fucking them over? How are kids supposed to integrate into society, when society probably put their dad in jail?

IT. IS. RACISM.[/QUOTE]

It is true that there is some racism in law enforcement today. Again howver, I strongly disagree with the fact that this is mainly due to [del]racism[/del] racism today, and more agree with the fact that it's mainly due to them being born into poor families.

Members of poor families are much more likely to become criminals themselves. Members of rich families, not so much.

Perhaps if we saw a chart like previous ones posted in the thread, detailing difference in incarceration rates between POOR black men and POOR white men, MIDDLE-class black men and MIDDLE-class white men, etc... we could better judge it.

[GarrettFox]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31053358]It is true that there is some racism in law enforcement today. Again howver, I strongly disagree with the fact that this is mainly due to [del]racism[/del] racism today, and more agree with the fact that it's mainly due to them being born into poor families.

Members of poor families are much more likely to become criminals themselves. Members of rich families, not so much.

Perhaps if we saw a chart like previous ones posted in the thread, detailing difference in incarceration rates between POOR black men and POOR white men, MIDDLE-class black men and MIDDLE-class white men, etc... we could better judge it.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm"]http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm

H[/URL]ave fun.

Look at the numbers and remember that African Americans are only 11% of the population. Also remember that Whites still remain the overwhelming numerical majority of poor people in the United States. Statistically a poor white man is roughly as likely to commit a crime as a poor black man.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#Poverty_and_race"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#Poverty_and_race

T[/URL]he system is racist from the bottom to the top. I mean seriously. I would think these numbers were a joke if it wasn't for the fact that I've seen them time and time again, and they come from multiple government mandated surveys.

[POLOPOZOZO]

[QUOTE=Ridge;31050001]The white guilt in this thread is mind boggling. You know what's racist? Companies that are more likely to hire minorities as opposed to white males because they get a tax break if a certain percentage of their workforce is X skin color.[/QUOTE]That has already been deemed unconstitutional, distinct quotas aren't allowed, and if being black is a plus there's nothing wrong with that I'm pretty glad I'm white and a straight man tbh.

[Elecbullet]

That was very stupid of me, hold on

[Gundevil]

Stop arguing over crime rates and who goes into jail and why, thats irrelevant and just makes this all about the race card. Focus on the job factor. To be honest, Black people have more opportunities in life, how many white only scholarships are there? Any benefits for being white? It is harder for a white male to get a scholarship then ANY. OTHER. RACE. White students in school have to work harder then minorities, it's sad and sounds racist, but it is true. I've seen students with a 94% average get passed over for a program due to skin color while a minority was accepted with a 85%. That is sickening.

In North America. The most discriminated person in North America is the white male. Governments have set up Affirmative Action Programs. Sure, maybe kids with redneck KKK dad's can get help, but how many official institutions are created to help the advancement of whites in education and not called racist? Imagine the outrage that would create. It is not that black men have such a disadvantage to get into school or get good jobs, it's the enviroment that many grow up in.

If you want to go over true racial problems in the states, look at when the first hate crime against a white man took place, wasn't it last year? I know more kids who have gotten the shit kicked out of them for being white then black.

The problems extend past black people as well, women and muslims are also given more preference for jobs and opportunities because they fill out more categories then some others do. If you want a job in North America, be black, muslim, female and have a visible handicap.

I know that from posting this I'll be branded a bigot by some, but you have to look at both sides of the argument, not just the one that seems to have the worst amount of luck. I believe in giving the job to the most deserving person, not the one who fits my government mandated quota. I just believe that anybody in the majority of any country is ignored and it becomes legal discrimination, yes overall there are still racist people in judical system but if you want to focus on laws and true government problems then officially, white people are discriminated. I do hope that people can look past the racism and see that the job should go to the better trained and better qualified individual. If you want information, just google Affirmative Action programs in America.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31053855]Gunfox you're missing my point.

I understand that blacks are prepostorously more likely to be arrested. However when I asked for a chart, I was looking for a chart about differences between rates in POOR men, and MIDDLE-CLASS men, etc. This is because poor people are MUCH more likely to commit crimes, which accounts for much of the difference in crime rates.

A chart I'm looking for might look like this:[list]
[*]Among POOR men, 20% of blacks were incarcerated and 10% of whites
[*]Among MIDDLE-CLASS men, 5% of blacks were incarcerated and 2% of whites
[*]And so on[/list]

Results such as those I imagined above, would serve to validate your claims of racism. Were they more similar, however, it would do the opposite, while still explaining the data from the link you gave me (as poor people are much more likely to commit crimes, and black people are much more likely to be poor).[/QUOTE]

What aren't you getting? Yes, being poor has a lot to do with it, but when there are more poor white people than there are poor black people, yet more blacks are still getting arrested, how do you not see the racism there?

[Ridge]

[QUOTE=that1dude24;31050116]Mind showing me a source? That they're more likely to be hired that is.

And mind sharing the actual percentage too? I'm certain that it isn't a proportional representation of the population, and the tax break is provided to alleviate some of the issues that I've already gone over in the thread.

It's not white guilt, it's that it boggles me that anyone can claim racism against blacks is dead or insignificant when there are so many things that prove otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Here is a business journal discussing it

[URL="http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/articleupdates/tax-credit-for-minority-business"]http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/articleupdates/tax-credit-for-minority-business
[/URL]
And application form in South Carolina

[URL]http://www.sctax.org/NR/rdonlyres/A6E3C2AA-C392-4467-8ED8-50ABF5C4ACE4/0/TC291506.pdf[/URL]

[Elecbullet]

Whoops, it seems I failed to actually finish reading Gunfox's post to the end. That was stupid. I'm sorry. Hold on, let me think about this

[that1dude24]

[QUOTE=Ridge;31054242]Here is a business journal discussing it

[URL="http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/articleupdates/tax-credit-for-minority-business"]http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/articleupdates/tax-credit-for-minority-business
[/URL]
And application form in South Carolina

[URL]http://www.sctax.org/NR/rdonlyres/A6E3C2AA-C392-4467-8ED8-50ABF5C4ACE4/0/TC291506.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]

Right, where's that % you were talking about? And the proof that they're really more likely to be hired? That application has 4% of the total amount paid to a minority, and a ceiling of $50,000.

[Toothpick]

dont worry

they can just record themselves talking and call it an album then make millions

[SigmaLambda]

[QUOTE=Ridge;31054242]Here is a business journal discussing it

[URL="http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/articleupdates/tax-credit-for-minority-business"]http://www.businesstaxrecovery.com/articleupdates/tax-credit-for-minority-business
[/URL]
And application form in South Carolina

[URL]http://www.sctax.org/NR/rdonlyres/A6E3C2AA-C392-4467-8ED8-50ABF5C4ACE4/0/TC291506.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]

that simply shows that they might have more incentive. it doesn't show that they actually do hire more minorities.

if you look at actual statistics instead of just kneejerking into "you all just have white guilt :smug:", black people are at an extreme disadvantage [url]http://www.dmiblog.com/archives/2007/09/white_convicts_as_likely_to_be.html[/url]

[editline]11th July 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Toothpick;31054417]dont worry

they can just record themselves talking and call it an album then make millions[/QUOTE]

haha its funn-get out

[that1dude24]

[QUOTE=Gundevil;31053867]Stop arguing over crime rates and who goes into jail and why, thats irrelevant and just makes this all about the race card. Focus on the job factor.
To be honest, Black people have more opportunities in life, how many white only scholarships are there? [/quote]

Some college scholarships hardly constitute more opportunities in life. I'll agree that it is tougher to get scholarships for a white male.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;31053867]Any benefits for being white?[/quote]
Not inherently. Having a white sounding name, however, [url=http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/mullainathan/files/emilygreg.pdf]is a different story.[/url]
You also get the benefit of having more [url=http://www.jstor.org/pss/10.1525/sp.2009.56.3.385]information and good ol' boy networking[/url] than minorities, which leads to easier mobility in companies.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;31053867]In North America. The most discriminated person in North America is the white male. Governments have set up Affirmative Action Programs. Sure, maybe kids with redneck KKK dad's can get help, but how many official institutions are created to help the advancement of whites in education and not called racist? Imagine the outrage that would create. It is not that black men have such a disadvantage to get into school or get good jobs, it's the enviroment that many grow up in. [/quote]
Oh please. Scholarships aren't the only thing in the world. I've already shown that even with the scholarships, and benefits to hiring minorities, they're still frequently passed over in job searches and have substantially lower hiring rates.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;31053867] If you want to go over true racial problems in the states, look at when the first hate crime against a white man took place, wasn't it last year? I know more kids who have gotten the shit kicked out of them for being white then black.[/quote]
Well, good for you. I've never known a single person who was attacked for being white, and countless who were attacked for being black or somalian. I live in the middle of fucking minnesota.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;31053867] The problems extend past black people as well, women and muslims are also given more preference for jobs and opportunities because they fill out more categories then some others do. If you want a job in North America, be black, muslim, female and have a visible handicap.[/quote]
I'm sure you'll have a fine old time being all of those things in North America.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;31053867]I know that from posting this I'll be branded a bigot by some, but you have to look at both sides of the argument, not just the one that seems to have the worst amount of luck. I believe in giving the job to the most deserving person, not the one who fits my government mandated quota. I just believe that anybody in the majority of any country is ignored and it becomes legal discrimination, yes overall there are still racist people in judical system but if you want to focus on laws and true government problems then officially, white people are discriminated. I do hope that people can look past the racism and see that the job should go to the better trained and better qualified individual. If you want information, just google Affirmative Action programs in America.[/QUOTE]
Come on. Arguing that you're so hurt and discriminated against is rather petty when all you have to back it up is scholarships, and even then I can't find whether the amount of minorities at schools are anywhere near the percentages of the population.

[Xenocidebot]

[QUOTE=Gundevil;31053867]Stop arguing over crime rates and who goes into jail and why, thats irrelevant and just makes this all about the race card. Focus on the job factor. To be honest, Black people have more opportunities in life, how many white only scholarships are there? Any benefits for being white? It is harder for a white male to get a scholarship then ANY. OTHER. RACE. White students in school have to work harder then minorities, it's sad and sounds racist, but it is true. I've seen students with a 94% average get passed over for a program due to skin color while a minority was accepted with a 85%. That is sickening.

In North America. The most discriminated person in North America is the white male. Governments have set up Affirmative Action Programs. Sure, maybe kids with redneck KKK dad's can get help, but how many official institutions are created to help the advancement of whites in education and not called racist? Imagine the outrage that would create. It is not that black men have such a disadvantage to get into school or get good jobs, it's the enviroment that many grow up in.

If you want to go over true racial problems in the states, look at when the first hate crime against a white man took place, wasn't it last year? I know more kids who have gotten the shit kicked out of them for being white then black.

The problems extend past black people as well, women and muslims are also given more preference for jobs and opportunities because they fill out more categories then some others do. If you want a job in North America, be black, muslim, female and have a visible handicap.

I know that from posting this I'll be branded a bigot by some, but you have to look at both sides of the argument, not just the one that seems to have the worst amount of luck. I believe in giving the job to the most deserving person, not the one who fits my government mandated quota. I just believe that anybody in the majority of any country is ignored and it becomes legal discrimination, yes overall there are still racist people in judical system but if you want to focus on laws and true government problems then officially, white people are discriminated. I do hope that people can look past the racism and see that the job should go to the better trained and better qualified individual. If you want information, just google Affirmative Action programs in America.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/media]
[QUOTE=that1dude24;31054890]I'll agree that it is tougher to get scholarships for a white male.[/QUOTE]
I won't. Let's see some citations before anyone takes that at face value.

[that1dude24]

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;31055046]
I won't. Let's see some citations before anyone takes that at face value.[/QUOTE]

Probably a bit hasty there, yeah. From a quick glance at scholarships for blacks available around here, there are very few and the ones that exist don't give out much to many people.

[Sillypiggy]

[QUOTE=Ridge;31050001]The white guilt in this thread is mind boggling. [/QUOTE] Its not white guilt its that things in the past effected today.