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[QUOTE=Zeke129;39244190] Granted, Satanism is basically just libertarianism and hedonism thrown in a blender (assuming that's the kind these are) but they're damn good at getting a rise out of people I'll give 'em that. [/QUOTE] Well, I know LaVeyan Satanism is, but I think there are some Wiccan things out there where people literally worship a Satan-like deity. There used to be a Satanism sub-forum on here back when custom forums existed and I learned some really interesting shit.

[QUOTE=Lolx0rz;39246334]This is what the guy looks like. [IMG]http://media.salon.com/2012/07/scott_rect1.jpg[/IMG] Pretty satanic already.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rx4hs.png[/IMG] it's a slippery slope really

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39249972]I don't know if that's better or worse It still comes across as trollish. [/QUOTE] Care to elaborate on LaVeyan's satanism being trollish?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39249949]you can't really be a "theistic satanist". to do so you have to acknowledge that god will eventually overcome satan, and then still choose to support "him". who seriously tries to pick the losing side?[/QUOTE] uh theism is just belief in a deity, not in the christian god as told by the bible. Even then, you could technically believe in that traditional god as a satanist, and not give two rat's asses about the epic struggle between jesus and the devil and what has/will happen according to the christian bible. You just believe there is some method to the madness and that there's a god to that tune, but don't really believe the whole fire and brimstone thing I think the [url=http://ihatepeacocks.com/resources/good-guy-satan-meme-collection-small.png]good guy satan meme[/url] is pretty funny if you're talking traditional stuff though

[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;39249990]They don't have to believe in the Judaic/Christian satan. Also, the Satanic Bible mentions a religion that worships the Judaic satan because they figure "Christ died for my sins so I've got my entry to heaven. Now let's worship the being that is in control of Earth"[/QUOTE] i guess that sorta makes sense. it still seems a bit illogical to try and worship the dude who is guaranteed to lose the battle.

[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;39250010]Care to elaborate on LaVeyan's satanism being trollish?[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying what the people in the OP are doing is trollish

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39249992]This turns you into a shitty person. The goal should be to try and not be selfish instead of celebrating it like a prat.[/QUOTE] You really don't understand the philosophy behind the religion.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;39250023]uh theism is just belief in a deity, not in the christian god as told by the bible. Even then, you could technically believe in that traditional god as a satanist, and not give two rat's asses about the epic struggle between jesus and the devil and what has/will happen according to the christian bible. You just believe there is some method to the madness and that there's a god to that tune, but don't really believe the whole fire and brimstone thing I think the [url=http://ihatepeacocks.com/resources/good-guy-satan-meme-collection-small.png]good guy satan meme[/url] is pretty funny if you're talking traditional stuff though[/QUOTE] well if you're a "theistic satanist" but don't believe that god is the ultimate being of everything, and that satan is the antagonist that will eventually be crushed, you are sorta making up you're own religion that can't really be properly called "satanist".

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39250034]No, I'm saying what the people in the OP are doing is trollish[/QUOTE] Yup, and I agree.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;39250023] I think the [url=http://ihatepeacocks.com/resources/good-guy-satan-meme-collection-small.png]good guy satan meme[/url] is pretty funny if you're talking traditional stuff though[/QUOTE] I've always thought that was an interesting perspective though. If everyone is being ruled by an almighty despot, some guys are gonna rebel eventually. Maybe he ain't such a bad dude after all. [sp]but thats what he wants you to think because he wants your soul!!!!!!!!!!!![/sp]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39249992]This turns you into a shitty person. The goal should be to try and not be selfish instead of celebrating it like a prat.[/QUOTE] i disagree and i'm a pretty altruistic guy by nature. i think self interest is incredibly powerful and helps lead you towards goals that can help other people. if people didn't want to feel good about themselves or their position in life, no one would donate to charity, no one would work at soup kitchens, no one would volunteer. everything in life comes from some sort of greed, the point is to channel that greed to benefit the world around you.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;39244297]I always considered it "hedonism without being an asshole". you can find the list of dos/do nots, which are basically "do whatever you want if it pleases you. Treat others as you would like them to treat you. If they treat you like shit, there's zero reason for you to continue being polite and you should probably deck him if the situation calls for it". The entire thing is "be chill unless something really unchills you, take care of it then chill some more" I think the whole satan side of the religion (since the founder actually includes a bunch of ritualistic stuff in his book that I think he even mentioned is only for if you really want to do that stuff and it's not necessary as part of the practice) isn't much more than a jab at religion and that the true core of it all is actually just intended as a philosophy I could be wrong, I'll find a friend of mine who's well read on it[/QUOTE] As a philosophy it's understandable... but when you say the word 'Satanist', i'm not thinking of their philosophy/way of life, i'm thinking "holy shit, these guys are worshiping the embodiment of all evil and hatred". With all their satanist rituals and whatnot.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39250046]well if you're a "theistic satanist" but don't believe that god is the ultimate being of everything, and that satan is the antagonist that will eventually be crushed, you are sorta making up you're own religion that can't really be properly called "satanist".[/QUOTE] still not understanding the fact that "god is good, satan is bad" isn't a permanent theme in religions. Even going by the standard ideas, for all we know 'god' could have sent 'satan' to earth to do what he did as part of his plan- to make humans more than what they were, to give them doubt, to question their given reality and form logic and reasoning he could literally be the good guy to someone under the same circumstances given to prove he's a bad guy to others. [QUOTE=Shifty Pete;39250275]As a philosophy it's understandable... but when you say the word 'Satanist', i'm not thinking of their philosophy/way of life, i'm thinking "holy shit, these guys are worshiping the embodiment of all evil and hatred". With all their satanist rituals and whatnot.[/QUOTE] it's a little hard to escape the stigma when satan was born of christianity's reasoning for sin and all that, can't escape that (or the tons of ~edgy~ teenagers who just claim they're satanist but don't actually look into it past "woo fuck church")

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39249972]Toronto Maple Leafs fans[/QUOTE] Hahahah oh god that was great, but shutup before I leave Toronto and come to the wheat fields for you.

no one ever fought a war in the name of satan

[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;39252258]no one ever fought a war in the name of satan[/QUOTE] apollo 11 was the first manned mission to land on the moon in 1969

[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;39250043]You really don't understand the philosophy behind the religion.[/QUOTE] Admitting that selfishness is human nature is fine. Building a religion around it is asinine. I've read the Satanic Bible, maybe I'm completely missing some deeper point that only [i]enlightened satanic minds[/i] can tap into but there was nothing redeeming in there in terms of life lessons, the whole thing was childish [editline]17th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;39250074]i disagree and i'm a pretty altruistic guy by nature. i think self interest is incredibly powerful and helps lead you towards goals that can help other people. if people didn't want to feel good about themselves or their position in life, no one would donate to charity, no one would work at soup kitchens, no one would volunteer. everything in life comes from some sort of greed, the point is to channel that greed to benefit the world around you.[/QUOTE] That's an awfully cynical way of looking at the world, this coming from a cynic

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39252468] That's an awfully cynical way of looking at the world, this coming from a cynic[/QUOTE] i really think the opposite. the idea that we have something to gain from helping others is an incredibly positive and optimistic force. if more people began looking at the idea of helping others as an extension of helping themselves, a lot more good would be done in the world.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39252494]i really think the opposite. the idea that we have something to gain from helping others is an incredibly positive and optimistic force. if more people began looking at the idea of helping others as an extension of helping themselves, a lot more good would be done in the world.[/QUOTE] The problem with that line of thinking though is that there are easier and faster ways to feel good about yourself. There's a balance you're touching on here, and that's great, because satanism doesn't seem to touch on it. I'm not really debating selfishness, I'm debating satanism

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39249992]This turns you into a shitty person. The goal should be to try and not be selfish instead of celebrating it like a prat.[/QUOTE] It's not about celebrating it. Pretentiousness is actually the second Don't for Satanists. It's about accepting it.

[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;39249931]You basically have the jist of it. The rituals are basically a satanists way of meditating and focusing our mind on a goal. Also, a satanist believes that man is selfish to his core, satanists themselves embrace that and use it to their advantage. Also, we don't actually believe Satan exists, but we worship what he represents. Self gratification and self preservation. I've read a lot of Anton LaVey's (the founder of the Church of Satan) writings and they are very interesting from a psychological perspective. I really recommend reading The Satanic Bible. It opened my eyes to the religion, and it's really fun explaining the concept of being a "Religious Atheist" to creationists. My Satanic collection *picture* edit: Fun fact, Anton LaVey used to teach a women's course on how to seduce men into giving them what they wanted.[/QUOTE]I distinctly remember you were a devout Christian at one point, really weird reading that you're a Satanist :v:

[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;39243441]In Satan we trust \o[/QUOTE] God killed millions in the Bible. What did Satan kill, like, 12? And they had it coming.

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;39253902]God killed millions in the Bible. What did Satan kill, like, 12? And they had it coming.[/QUOTE] "2,476,633 to 10 - not including the flood" there's also mention lucifer is a man, not an angel (Isaiah 14:16), so 'fallen' could be more about having fallen from god's light, like he lost faith or something simple. People seem to re-interpret that line as being an angel though. The only verse I found where he kills someone it's completely at random, god kept asking him what he thought of a man called Job for a whole chapter, then suddenly god told him to save Job, but instead he gave Job boils from head to toe. Maybe it was already happening and he got blamed for it "But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." more and more he seems to be a hidden protagonist of mankind, he's just trying to be human and everyone's all pissy he doesn't spend his time in church

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39250074]i disagree and i'm a pretty altruistic guy by nature. i think self interest is incredibly powerful and helps lead you towards goals that can help other people. if people didn't want to feel good about themselves or their position in life, no one would donate to charity, no one would work at soup kitchens, no one would volunteer. everything in life comes from some sort of greed, the point is to channel that greed to benefit the world around you.[/QUOTE] I disagree with that statment, people help with others because we enjoy it, it has been proven in young children which are are untouched by society yet have shown that not also have they got an innate desire to help others, but enjoy doing it. A trait also found in chimpanzees as well. Greed to take things so you can't have it or so they can have more than others is not a natural trait, but a learned one, and thats why people who enjoy hurting or taking things without explanation is not natural within a normal human being. Not to sound like an asshole but to say human beings are born greedy and then build up a religion or life style around it to me sounds like ignorance that does nothing really to advance society's [video=youtube;RK8rKKp-vP0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK8rKKp-vP0[/video] [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01human.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Unit-05;39254666]I disagree with that statment, people help with others because we enjoy it, it has been proven in young children which are are untouched by society yet have shown that not also have they got an innate desire to help others, but enjoy doing it. A trait also found in chimpanzees as well. Greed to take things so you can't have it or so they can have more than others is not a natural trait, but a learned one, and thats why people who enjoy hurting or taking things without explanation is not natural within a normal human being. Not to sound like an asshole but to say human beings are born greedy and then build up a religion or life style around it to me sounds like ignorance that does nothing really to advance society's [video=youtube;RK8rKKp-vP0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK8rKKp-vP0[/video] [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01human.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/URL][/QUOTE] that's actually exactly what i said. we get a good feeling from helping other people; we have something to gain from helping others. to say there isn't a greedy motive when you help another person is wrong because most of what we do is to better our position in life, whether mentally, physically, or financially. my personal opinion is to embrace that sort of greed. don't think of helping others as simply taking away from yourself, but think of it as benefiting you and the world around you.