NYPD blocks sidewalk and require corporate identification to pass - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Aetna;33320186]Lots of awareness promoting going on here![/QUOTE] what the hell is your problem?

[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;33320225]Well you dont need that many officers to control a large population if your tactics are effective enough.[/QUOTE] Sheer mass of thousands of people > tactics of a squad of policeman.

[QUOTE=Aetna;33320228]There's only so much to discuss before you're discussing the same things over and over with different words.[/QUOTE] get the stick out of your ass man jeez.

[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;33320225]Well you dont need that many officers to control a large population if your tactics are effective enough.[/QUOTE] I really doubt that there are tactics that a PD can use to oppress an entire state

Wait till' the molotovs come in to play

[QUOTE=lolo;33320266]Wait till' the molotovs come in to play[/QUOTE] I can't tell if this is a promotion or prediction of violence.

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320249]I really doubt that there are tactics that a PD can use to oppress an entire state[/QUOTE] Why does it have to be just a Police Department? Remember when that southren (cant remember state) governor used National Guard troops to block the entrances of schools to African-American people.

[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;33320301]Why does it have to be just a Police Department? Remember when that southren (cant remember state) governor used National Guard troops to block the entrances of schools to African-American people.[/QUOTE] I was using PD because that was the example used before. Since you brought up Nat. Guard, what tactics would they have for keeping people within the borders?

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320113][i]But it's one street[/i][/QUOTE] No one fucking said blocking off one street suddenly makes America a police state. It already is a police state as it is, and this is one of the reasons why the streets were blocked off. The other reason is due to corporations having more power than the government indirectly and it's been happening for way too long. And if you bothered to do some research, you'd realize that the 14 characteristics of Fascism match the description of the current situation in this country and have been for a while. One could easily argue the US is a Fascist state or becoming one. And for the last time it's not the "Nazi" type Fascism. Most people don't understand what Fascism actually is and just think it's what Nazi Germany was and it's why they don't think the US is becoming one.

[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;33320328]No one fucking said blocking off one street suddenly makes America a police state. It already is a police state as it is, and this is one of the reasons why the streets were blocked off. The other reason is due to corporations having more power than the government indirectly and it's been happening for way too long. And if you bothered to do some research, you'd realize that the 14 characteristics of Fascism match the description of the current situation in this country and have been for a while. One could easily argue the US is a Fascist state or becoming one. And for the last time it's not the "Nazi" type Fascism. Most people don't understand what Fascism actually is and just think it's what Nazi Germany was and it's why they don't think the US is becoming one.[/QUOTE] The OP implied it. [quote]but this just screams the beginning of a police state.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;33320328]No one fucking said blocking off one street suddenly makes America a police state. It already is a police state as it is, and this is one of the reasons why the streets were blocked off. [b]The other reason is due to corporations having more power than the government indirectly and it's been happening for way too long.[/b][/QUOTE] Are you really saying that the corporations really bought out the police to block only one street? Not only is it a ridiculous claim, but to only block off one fucking street is what they bought?

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320325]I was using PD because that was the example used before. Since you brought up Nat. Guard, what tactics would they have for keeping people within the borders?[/QUOTE] Im not one for conspiricies but they have lots of man power, tanks, aircraft, and most people will do what they are told to do anyways so it wouldnt be a hard task.

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320358]Are you really saying that the corporations really bought out the police to block only one street? Not only is it a ridiculous claim, but to only block off one fucking street is what they bought?[/QUOTE] Nah, he's saying that the street is merely an example of their capabilities and that their actual power is much deeper than what's seen a the surface here, which IS true.

[QUOTE=Aetna;33320337]The OP implied it.[/QUOTE] Well he was wrong because it's been a police state for quite some time

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320113][i]But it's one street[/i][/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8ef37.jpg[/IMG] "[I]This is how it always starts; First one building, then the whole block![/I]"

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33320378]Well he was wrong because it's been a police state for quite some time[/QUOTE] Can you give me a detailed description as to how?

[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;33320364]Im not one for conspiricies but they have lots of man power, tanks, aircraft, and most people will do what they are told to do anyways so it wouldnt be a hard task.[/QUOTE] But you seem to be forgetting there are 49 other states who would be really pissed if the Nat. Guard starting intimidating border-adjacent citizens. [editline]17th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Im Crimson;33320393][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8ef37.jpg[/IMG] "[I]This is how it always starts; First one building, then the whole block![/I]"[/QUOTE] I don't recall technologically advanced alien soldiers invading yet, but I'll let this reference slide when they do.

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320398] I don't recall technologically advanced alien soldiers invading yet, but I'll let this reference slide when they do.[/QUOTE] You think that the alien overlords would reveal themselves? They've been controlling the government for years man! [I]For yeaaaaarss, mannnn![/I]

[QUOTE=ghosevil;33320451]You think that the alien overlords would reveal themselves? They've been controlling the government for years man! [I]For yeaaaaarss, mannnn![/I][/QUOTE] *Reptilian, bro.

[QUOTE=Aetna;33320397]Can you give me a detailed description as to how?[/QUOTE] Police are allowed to brutalize protesters with impunity, even using devices like an LRAD which can cause deafness or rubber bullets which can cause death Police are allowed to ban people from using public transportation or walk on public streets without corporate identification Police are allowed to subvert the first amendment to deny people their right to free assembly Police are allowed to seize personal property from the protesters without reimbursing them for the cost Do you understand now

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;33318650][url]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18573661[/url] Starts at around 42:40. I can't find any news articles about this, but a first-hand video should work even better. I don't care what position you stand with OWS, but this just screams the beginning of a police state.[/QUOTE] Intentionally blocking sidewalks in New York is illegal. There are a huge number of restrictions. Simply standing on the sidewalk, however, is not illegal, though they tried to convict a guy for it: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/nyregion/18movealong.html[/url] The guy's lawyer mentions that past cases have basically established: “You need to be being verbally abusive, or really blocking lots of people, or lying down on the sidewalk.” So. We have a large number of pedestrians who are not intentionally trying to block anyone. They are simply standing there and will likely let anyone through who wants to walk through. And we have the cops. Who are blocking this [I]large group of people[/I]. Wait, who is doing the illegal thing here again? Because from where I am sitting...

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469]Police are allowed to brutalize protesters with impunity, even using devices like an LRAD which can cause deafness or rubber bullets which can cause death Police are allowed to ban people from using public transportation or walk on public streets without corporate identification [b]Police are allowed to subvert the first amendment to deny people their right to free assembly[/b] Police are allowed to seize personal property from the protesters without reimbursing them for the cost Do you understand now[/QUOTE] Now wait a second, as much as I agree with those other points, the NYPD hasn't completely stopped the protests, or at least yet

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320499]Now wait a second, as much as I agree with those other points, the NYPD hasn't completely stopped the protests, or at least yet[/QUOTE] They've done all they can to, but fortunately they can't throw ideas into a trash compactor along with tents

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33320523]They've done all they can to, but fortunately they can't throw ideas into a trash compactor along with tents[/QUOTE] Still. They've been playing the game with the same rules as the protesters. We need not consider the IF's here: OWS set up shop on private land and a court finally ruled in. How else have they subverted the 1st?

"YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT PROTESTING ARE YOU?!" [img]http://cdn.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/bigbrother.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33319035]"move back, move back, im gettin' tired of this" that officer is acting as if he is inconvenienced by the fact that people want to walk down the street lol i wonder how many people are getting mugged and robbed in NYC while these cops are wasting time making sure that only Wall Street workers are allowed on Wall Street?[/QUOTE] Ah the classic, they should be over there and not here excuse/idea. For stuff like this they got reserve officers and people on overtime most likely. It isn't like the city is unprotected because a protest is going on. Its also kinda funny that you make that statement went some of these occupy camps are having crimes committed from within.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469]Police are allowed to brutalize protesters with impunity, even using devices like an LRAD which can cause deafness or rubber bullets which can cause death [/QUOTE] The actions of one retarded policeman accidentally hitting an ex-marine in the face doesn't exactly count. Rubber bullets can kill people but as of yet during these protests have not. And if you're referring to the whole Scott Campbell story, yes, the policeman who shot him was an idiot but anyone who [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059285/Occupy-Oakland-Scott-Campbell-shot-police-rubber-bullet-video.html]labels themselves openly as an "anarchist"[/url] is also an idiot. [QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469] Police are allowed to ban people from using public transportation or walk on public streets without corporate identification [/QUOTE] I suppose sobriety tests fall under this category? If people are causing problems for business attempting to run (and yes, just "standing around" causes problems when people and cars are trying to get through) the police will be called out to disperse; this has ALWAYS happened during protests/riots. [QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469] Police are allowed to subvert the first amendment to deny people their right to free assembly [/quote] Police are given orders. They want to be paid just like everyone else. And please don't pull the whole "THE SS WERE JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS SO IT'S OKAY THEN" because they are two entirely different things. [QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469] Police are allowed to seize personal property from the protesters without reimbursing them for the cost Do you understand now[/QUOTE] When did this happen?

[QUOTE=sonny99;33319895]I disagree. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I don't recall seeing BP or Chase having seats in Congress, or judges in the Supreme Court.[/QUOTE] riiiiiiiight i dont want to be a dick but, just because the head of BP isn't a member of congress doesn't mean these huge corporations don't have huge amounts of influence on our government [editline]17th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=sonny99;33320499]Now wait a second, as much as I agree with those other points, the NYPD hasn't completely stopped the protests, or at least yet[/QUOTE] they've gone to exceptional lengths in an attempt to silence the protests altogether, luckily it's a bit difficult to entirely shut people up without outright murdering them food for thought :v:

[QUOTE=ghosevil;33320633]Still. They've been playing the game with the same rules as the protesters. We need not consider the IF's here: OWS set up shop on private land and a court finally ruled in. How else have they subverted the 1st?[/QUOTE] It was private land, but the company that owned it had an agreement with the city that stated it needed to be available 24/7 to anyone who wished to use it Cities do this kind of thing lots, it was likely something the company did so the city would let them develop elsewhere, like a trade

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469]Police are allowed to brutalize protesters with impunity, even using devices like an LRAD which can cause deafness or rubber bullets which can cause death [/QUOTE] We don't know that those cops were given direct orders to hurt protestors, all of those were accidents or the actions of isolated groups of cops. Whether they were punished for it, we don't know. [QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469] Police are allowed to ban people from using public transportation or walk on public streets without corporate identification[/QUOTE] Evidently. However I guess since this is sensationalist headlines we get to make sensationalist claims with no proof. Example: The Corporations bought out the cops and/or sidewalk. That, and I think the guy who maybe had to walk an extra block to get on the subway was being a little overly dramatic to grab the camera view and start spouting crap about "What country is this? What Police force is this?" [QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469] Police are allowed to subvert the first amendment to deny people their right to free assembly [/QUOTE] You claimed that they used everything they could to try and break them up... what? No. No they didn't. If the police wanted to, they could have stopped these at any time. Don't give the stupid argument of "They can't break them up by force, so they're using subversive methods to undermine it!" either. They damn well can break them up by force if they want to, but they haven't. [QUOTE=Zeke129;33320469] Police are allowed to seize personal property from the protesters without reimbursing them for the cost [/QUOTE] I honestly wouldn't be surprised with this one. However, none of this amounts to a "police state". The number of people here that have absolutely zero fucking clue what that means is utterly staggering. Yes, it's true, America, with things like the Patriot Act and an increasingly militarized police force, certainly has a lot of [I]potential[/I] to become a police state very quickly. But it isn't one, and it certainly hasn't "been one for a while". The fact that these protests still exist is proof of that. Seriously FP, the paranoia is honestly stifling at this point. A street gets blocked, for reasons unknown, be they good or bad, and instantly the U.S. has been a police state "for a while".