NYPD blocks sidewalk and require corporate identification to pass - Polidicks

seeing people who live in a nation founded on the ideals of freedom from tyranny supporting the suppression of their own countrymen disgusts me

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33319539]Down with freedom![/QUOTE] Because NYC = America.

[QUOTE=Spooter;33321042]We don't know that those cops were given direct orders to hurt protestors, all of those were accidents or the actions of isolated groups of cops. Whether they were punished for it, we don't know.[/quote] Well it's one of two things: either the cops had orders to do this, or certain cops went rogue and the other cops did nothing to stop it. In either case, the police are fully at fault. [QUOTE=Spooter;33321042]Evidently. However I guess since this is sensationalist headlines we get to make sensationalist claims with no proof. Example: The Corporations bought out the cops and/or sidewalk. That, and I think the guy who maybe had to walk an extra block to get on the subway was being a little overly dramatic to grab the camera view and start spouting crap about "What country is this? What Police force is this?"[/quote] Why are you downplaying the severity of police blocking access to public facilities? [QUOTE=Spooter;33321042]You claimed that they used everything they could to try and break them up... what? No. No they didn't. If the police wanted to, they could have stopped these at any time. Don't give the stupid argument of "They can't break them up by force, so they're using subversive methods to undermine it!" either. They damn well can break them up by force if they want to, but they haven't. [/quote] Uh, they've been breaking the protests up by force all across the country. Where the hell have you been? [editline]17th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;33321054]seeing people who live in a nation founded on the ideals of freedom from tyranny supporting the suppression of their own countrymen disgusts me[/QUOTE] New Zealand seems pretty chill what's the political situation there

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33321028]It was private land, but the company that owned it had an agreement with the city that stated it needed to be available 24/7 to anyone who wished to use it Cities do this kind of thing lots, it was likely something the company did so the city would let them develop elsewhere, like a trade[/QUOTE] And it was abused. The agreement would still stand and they have the right to make reasonable rules of conduct, this includes prohibiting structures and everything relevant to the 'occupy' part. Like I said, rules in the game. Their chant was "Our Park - Our City" and should accept the individual responsibilites of civil disobedience. Though, I'm not condoning the trash compacting of equipment- the police could have scored alot of media points for working out a system for people to keep their property.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33321112]New Zealand seems pretty chill what's the political situation there[/QUOTE] eh, not that great, we got wanky right wingers in power at the moment trying to sell all our countries assets, unfortunately the leader of the right wingers is far more charismatic than the leader of our labour party (who is a complete fuckwit) and alot of voters here vote purely based on charisma. seriously, so many people hated helen clarke who led the nation superbly for 9 years because she was ugly. the problem is, everyone thinks "oh this is just new zealand, it's not like anything crazy will ever happen here" and they don't realize the national party assholes are slowly trying to fuck the country up

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33321257]eh, not that great, we got wanky right wingers in power at the moment trying to sell all our countries assets, unfortunately the leader of the right wingers is far more charismatic than the leader of our labour party (who is a complete fuckwit) and alot of voters here vote purely based on charisma. seriously, so many people hated helen clarke who led the nation superbly for 9 years because she was ugly. the problem is, everyone thinks "oh this is just new zealand, it's not like anything crazy will ever happen here" and they don't realize the national party assholes are slowly trying to fuck the country up[/QUOTE] You should come to Urania [editline]18th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;33321054]seeing people who live in a nation founded on the ideals of freedom from tyranny supporting the suppression of their own countrymen disgusts me[/QUOTE] Pretty much this

[QUOTE=Contag;33321342]You should come to Urania [editline]18th November 2011[/editline] Pretty much this[/QUOTE] urania?

[QUOTE=Second-gear-of-mgear;33318764]No it doesn't.[/QUOTE] You're in denial.

[QUOTE=Rocko's;33321057]Because NYC = America.[/QUOTE] Legal precedent. It's how the Justice system works. This sets a standard for what will be allowed in the future.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33321257]eh, not that great, we got wanky right wingers in power at the moment trying to sell all our countries assets, unfortunately the leader of the right wingers is far more charismatic than the leader of our labour party (who is a complete fuckwit) and alot of voters here vote purely based on charisma. seriously, so many people hated helen clarke who led the nation superbly for 9 years because she was ugly. the problem is, everyone thinks "oh this is just new zealand, it's not like anything crazy will ever happen here" and they don't realize the national party assholes are slowly trying to fuck the country up[/QUOTE] So you're exactly the same as us then.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33321925]So you're exactly the same as us then.[/QUOTE] yeah except canada has the trailer park boys so it's the best country ever

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33321112]Well it's one of two things: either the cops had orders to do this, or certain cops went rogue and the other cops did nothing to stop it. In either case, the police are fully at fault. [/QUOTE] Oh no I agree, the police ARE at fault, but in a police state the executive and branches thereof directly order that kind of shit. We have no proof that the officers had orders, and while the other officers may not have stopped it that was their (wrong) personal choice. [QUOTE=Zeke129;33321112] Why are you downplaying the severity of police blocking access to public facilities? [/QUOTE] Because while it's an inconvenience and is of questionable legality, it's not time to start shouting about how Big Brother is keeping you down. They didn't shut down the whole damn city, they blocked that street and that subway. For reasons that, for all we know, could be perfectly reasonable. [QUOTE=Zeke129;33321112] Uh, they've been breaking the protests up by force all across the country. Where the hell have you been? [/QUOTE] I dunno, same place as you. I've seen portions of Oakland get attacked and dispersed (temporarily, they sprung back up and after that it was undisturbed outside of cases where protestors actually broke the law) people get pushed back into their camp in Seattle (though the camp wasn't touched), and people get evicted from the starting areas like Zucotti park (though their protests continue in different places for the most part unmolested). What I haven't seen is anything resembling this: [thumb]http://history12section1.wikispaces.com/file/view/bloodysunday.jpg/173969047/bloodysunday.jpg[/thumb] or this: [thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg[/thumb] What I've seen is mixed. I've seen a lot of police brutality, and a lot of questionable handling of the protests by city governments and cops. I've seen protestors inciting shit and trying to piss off cops. I've seen cops looking at protestor signs with curiosity and/or admiration. I've seen protestors offering flowers to policemen who politely turned them down. I haven't seen is policemen charging in and brutalizing people to get them off the streets entirely. (outside of the unfortunate case a month or so back in Boston) What I haven't seen is protestors who break shit and just want to cause trouble. Listen, as much as I come out against what you guys say, I am all for your motivation. People need to be constantly aware and alert for governmental overreach, and people need to be questioning of the ability and motivation of their civil servants. But I'm sick and tired of the mentality the pervades these discussions, one of resolute cynical anti-government sentiment. I'm sick and tired for a lot of reasons: some people are just self-aggrandizing toss-pots who want to come off looking smart or edgy, there appears to be a pervading reliance on conjecture and jumps to conclusions as opposed to actual fact, but the most aggravating one for me is this. The fact that the cynicism and justified watch-dog attitude leads people to ignore just how good we have it. People come to America every [I]god damn[/I] day to escape [I]real[/I] police states. Like Jordan, where people don't get pepper sprayed or have their routes blocked when they protest, they just get [I]fucking shot[/I] for protesting. Countries like North Korea, where emmigrating is like escaping a prison. Countries where the only way to make your voice heard is by hurling bricks, not votes. It comes with my being tired of people complaining about how much they hate America and what the government's doing. It comes with me being god damned tired of people saying that they're going to move somewhere else like it's going to be any better. It comes with me being tired of the hypocrisy of ignoring human rights free zones like China or Jordan and then rabble rousing and crying police state because people couldn't go on one sidewalk. I'm all for holding our countries and governments to a higher standard, but I would like to see some perspective.

[QUOTE=Spooter;33321042] However, none of this amounts to a "police state". The number of people here that have absolutely zero fucking clue what that means is utterly staggering. Yes, it's true, America, with things like the Patriot Act and an increasingly militarized police force, certainly has a lot of [I]potential[/I] to become a police state very quickly. But it isn't one, and it certainly hasn't "been one for a while". The fact that these protests still exist is proof of that. Seriously FP, the paranoia is honestly stifling at this point. A street gets blocked, for reasons unknown, be they good or bad, and instantly the U.S. has been a police state "for a while".[/QUOTE] But the DHS conspired to infiltrate and break up the protests! Didn't you see that thread with the grainy photograph of a DHS officer standing around talking to other officers??? That's proof enough that there is a conspiracy on the highest echelons of government to disrupt and disperse peaceful protests! POLICE STATE!

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33322034]But the DHS conspired to infiltrate and break up the protests! Didn't you see that thread with the grainy photograph of a DHS officer standing around talking to other officers??? That's proof enough that there is a conspiracy on the highest echelons of government to disrupt and disperse peaceful protests! POLICE STATE![/QUOTE] uhm i think you missed the thread where the mayor of oakland admitted to organizing her crack down on occupy oakland in conjunction with other crackdowns all over the country. but whatever, keep being a sarcastic dickhead who adds nothing to any of these discussions!

It's a street but it's a fucking public owned street. You idiots saying "lol overreaction it's one street" they have no right to do this. The protesters aren't doing anything other than what the creators of this country would have wanted.

I don't live in NY, so I can't confirm this, but there are many anecdotes on Reddit saying police have placed multiple barricades throughout downtown NY. Anyone in NY come across any of these checkpoints?

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320000]Another thing I don't understand, how does the minor actions of one PD turn the entire country into a police state?[/QUOTE] No one expects it to just suddenly go from the current state to 1984, it doesn't work like that, but when things like this happen, it can easily snowball.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33318917]Blocking off a street is not the beginning of a police state, stop over reacting.[/QUOTE] Are you sure?

Going back to my parents' place on Long Island for thanksgiving week. If noone else will, or if they don't take down any barricades by then, I'll try to get down to those areas of NYC and report anything I see down there just for anyone who's interested. Probably take some photos too.

[QUOTE=Aetna;33320186]Lots of awareness promoting going on here![/QUOTE] wow you are really desperate for an argument if you have to quote a satirical reply and hold it to some sort of journalistic standard just because zeke said his intent was to promote awareness [editline]18th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;33322089]uhm i think you missed the thread where the mayor of oakland admitted to organizing her crack down on occupy oakland in conjunction with other crackdowns all over the country. but whatever, keep being a sarcastic dickhead who adds nothing to any of these discussions![/QUOTE] b-but nwo and reptilians where are those three people who agree with me whenever i call people crazy? i need backup

this comes to mind [img]http://www.mtv.com/bands/d/disturbed/thumbnails/land_of_confusion_281x211.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.kepregeny.net/galeria/gal/Hirek/071231_Disturbed/disturbed.jpg[/img] [img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYmyb_Yo2TA2b9UEy5gLT_LdsSmagtbhXuLSXSlSw94gMFTp55IQ[/img]

[QUOTE=sonny99;33320113][i]But it's one street[/i][/QUOTE] That's how the government works, one step at a time, then [i]WHOOSH[/i] You're passed out naked in a gutter.

[QUOTE=Aetna;33320684]When did this happen?[/QUOTE] I think there was like one instance of the police seizing gasoline generators from protesters, but it made sense why they did it. If you looked where the protesters put the generators, they were near flammable materials in confined spaces, which was both a fire and health hazard. As for the city blocking a street off, I don't blame them. Having vagrants wandering around with no purpose is a brewing pot for trouble, which has already been shown with violence and property damage. If you were a business, you wouldn't want a bunch of people gathered outside, it scares away potential customers and gives a sense of uneasiness.

in honor of OWS we should change our avatars to some sort of image like those I posted. -snip- It uploaded!

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33320085]So we're going to live in a world where shadows don't exist?[/QUOTE] I like how the guy you quoted changed his picture because he didn't want to look stupid or something.

I was actually thinking to myself the other day about what they could possibly do to make their stance look ANY worse than it is now (the cops that is).

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33322034]But the DHS conspired to infiltrate and break up the protests! Didn't you see that thread with the grainy photograph of a DHS officer standing around talking to other officers??? That's proof enough that there is a conspiracy on the highest echelons of government to disrupt and disperse peaceful protests! POLICE STATE![/QUOTE] Uh the government always takes a great deal of interest, because that's their fucking job Gee Dave, should we investigate the people who are unhappy with the way the system is, and might do something bad? Nah let's just eat more donuts or whatever!

[QUOTE=Spooter;33322009] What I haven't seen is anything resembling this: [thumb]http://history12section1.wikispaces.com/file/view/bloodysunday.jpg/173969047/bloodysunday.jpg[/thumb] or this: [thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg[/thumb] [/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/8LmoG.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/nDoTm.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/5zXoc.jpg[/img]

[h2]Courageous undercover NYPD officers attempt to save OD'd Occupy vagrant[/h2] [img]http://i.imgur.com/8LmoG.jpg[/img] [h2]Brave NYPD officers face vicious Occupy crowds in defense of the American people[/h2] [img]http://i.imgur.com/nDoTm.jpg[/img] [h2]Psychotic protestors in drug induced delirium. Pictured in background - hard working American officers. Note that they actually have jobs instead of spending their government-teat money on drugs. [/h2] [img]http://i.imgur.com/5zXoc.jpg[/img] [editline]18th November 2011[/editline] The world through the eyes of Glaber.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33324197]*images that've already been quoted*[/QUOTE] Yeah. Those don't really resemble my images. Rubber Bullets aren't Sabres, Pickup trucks aren't tanks, and pepper spray isn't a gun. That marine hit in the head was the most severely injured person we know of, and that was a legitimate case of police brutality, as was the unnecessary pepper spraying. We all know what happened in Tienanmen square, but the origin of my first image may be a bit more vague. It's a painting of Bloody Sunday. On a Sunday in 1905, a large group of protestors who were asking the Tsar for bread and aid for the poor were opened fire on by Russian imperial guardsmen outside the Imperial Palace. They weren't inciting violence, they were lead largely by Orthodox priests and were singing patriotic songs. Cavalry descended upon them, and they were forcibly dispersed. Tsarist reports claimed a little over 400 wounded or killed, while anti-Tsarist reports claimed 4000 dead. Historical analysis evens out at around 1000 killed or wounded. That marine getting hit in the head is tragic, but it's one marine getting hit by one malicious cop. The two women were pepper sprayed, but a crowd is being maintained around them, and they suffered no permanent injuries. I am asking for perspective. The pictures you posted (disregarding the Pickup until I get some context) aren't examples of forced stoppage of protests as mine are anyway, they're examples of incidents of police brutality.