#AUSPOL STRAYA ELECTIONS 2K16 - MALCOLM TURNBULL REMAINS PRIME MINISTER. - Polidicks

i just hope LNP don't get a majority

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50663833]I just refer to them as the conservatives and most say Tories anyway since that's what they really are People in Queensland are still pissed off over the liberal-national merger that created the LNP[/QUOTE] Calling the Liberals the 'conservatives' is the same thing as calling Labor 'socialists' or the Greens 'watermelons'; it's a gross simplification of the party's support base. Just like Labor, the Liberals have multiple, competing internal factions. Turnbull is the first Liberal PM in quite a while who is not from the conservative faction. Just like how Gillard was the first Labor PM in quite a while who wasn't from the Labor Right faction (she was from the Socialist Left faction). [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] In the case of Labor, it is convention for the leader of the Labor Party to be from Labor Right, and their deputy to be from the Socialist Left. Yes, Shorten is a member of Labor Right.

Well the whole idea of labor is to be a mix of democratic socialism and economic conservatism But some days it seems the liberals are more and more being taken over by the conservative faction, or they just have louder voices than their liberal faction members

To be honest Bill Shorten needs to step down as leader of the ALP, he's not near as good as Rudd was. Shorten attacks the wrong things, he's just says "the Liberal party are doing this or that" and never says what Labor is going to do or change or anything like that. If Tanya Plibersek or Anthony Albanese were in charge they'd be more effective, but generally the ALP should have lifted their game when Turnbull was made PM, but they still act like Abbott is in charge of the Libs. I'd rather both parties agree to work together than this negativity. [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=shutter_eye5;50662522]I completely concur, as those members of the far right seem to be holding most of the power within the Liberals, even though by definition, the Liberals are seen as mid-centre-right, but not far right as those members want it to be. Personally I think the Liberals should be rebranded as the "Conservative Party" in name because it seems that a majority of their party members are of those political views. It'd make sense because swing voters wouldn't get so confused when voting on who to vote for because it'd present a more clearer choice, as with the general public, at least they understand the political spectrum. You have the left and the right, with beginnings of the centrists / moderates finally becoming more and more noticeable. Back to the main topic of the thread, so now that Katter will support the liberals on a "supply" basis of votes within the lower house, it's becoming more and more certain they will retain power. His comment on "not tolerating union bashing" will serve to at least warn them that continuing with union bashing will not get them far. In my opinion, yes major unions should get somewhat of a shake up in regards to negotiating pay in line with equipment, supply and physical costs, in that I think that should be handed over to the Fair Work Commission but with the Fair Work Commission actually conducting thorough investigation to legitimise their decisions in regards to each respective industry, so that it's fair for both the unions and also the employers & above the living cost average. That's the only real thing that needs to be done with reforming the unions, but not going so far as to reinstate the ABCC and forcibly removing their civil rights as individual citizens all because they are union members.[/QUOTE]I think the conservatives should form their own party. Australia has never been as conservative as the far right would like, we changed from pound to dollar currency, imperial to metric, got gun control and given the times we live in, Australia is even less conservative now more than ever before. So I think it would be better for the Libs if the conservatives formed their own party as it mean more election wins for them and it would mean Labor would have to lift their game. The conservative's new party may get one or two seats, but we'd never again have the catastrophe that was Tony Abbott.

I shit you not - the two party preferred vote difference is 461.. Australian Labor Party - 5,194,326 Liberal/National Coalition - 5,193,865 [url]http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-20499.htm[/url]

holy fuck wait what's this vote mean? someone said earlier that more seats is more important than more votes but if labour has more votes what does that mean?

[QUOTE=343N;50666066]holy fuck wait what's this vote mean? someone said earlier that more seats is more important than more votes but if labour has more votes what does that mean?[/QUOTE] It truly means nothing, but to think that the difference is down to 3 figures is something I thought was worth noting.

oh damn [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] i REALLY hope LNP don't get a majority now

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;50664576]To be honest Bill Shorten needs to step down as leader of the ALP, he's not near as good as Rudd was. Shorten attacks the wrong things, he's just says "the Liberal party are doing this or that" and never says what Labor is going to do or change or anything like that. If Tanya Plibersek or Anthony Albanese were in charge they'd be more effective, but generally the ALP should have lifted their game when Turnbull was made PM, but they still act like Abbott is in charge of the Libs. I'd rather both parties agree to work together than this negativity. [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] I think the conservatives should form their own party. Australia has never been as conservative as the far right would like, we changed from pound to dollar currency, imperial to metric, got gun control and given the times we live in, Australia is even less conservative now more than ever before. So I think it would be better for the Libs if the conservatives formed their own party as it mean more election wins for them and it would mean Labor would have to lift their game. The conservative's new party may get one or two seats, but we'd never again have the catastrophe that was Tony Abbott.[/QUOTE] Rudd was an awful PM and opposition leader who had a free pass due to anti Howard sentiment. Also if you think the ALP is still acting like abbott is in charge you've missed the story of this campaign, shorten fought the majority of this campaign on good policy and polling showed consistently that between two parties labors policies were hitting home way better than the coalition In fact Shorten spent the entire campaign announcing policy after policy and soent a lot of time teelin the pubkic exactly what labor would do Shorten lifted his game when turnbull got in and it netted the ALP significant rewards. Everyone wrote Shorten off once Turnbull got in but he delivered far more than anyone had the right to expect and that was in large part because he actually offered semi competent policies and unified his party effectively I mean i wouldnt mind a member of the labor left in as much as the next guy, but i dont think shorten needs to step down just yet. Hes proved he can deliver the ALP strong gains

[QUOTE=killerteacup;50666954]Rudd was an awful PM and opposition leader who had a free pass due to anti Howard sentiment. Also if you think the ALP is still acting like abbott is in charge you've missed the story of this campaign, shorten fought the majority of this campaign on good policy and polling showed consistently that between two parties labors policies were hitting home way better than the coalition In fact Shorten spent the entire campaign announcing policy after policy and soent a lot of time teelin the pubkic exactly what labor would do Shorten lifted his game when turnbull got in and it netted the ALP significant rewards. Everyone wrote Shorten off once Turnbull got in but he delivered far more than anyone had the right to expect and that was in large part because he actually offered semi competent policies and unified his party effectively I mean i wouldnt mind a member of the labor left in as much as the next guy, but i dont think shorten needs to step down just yet. Hes proved he can deliver the ALP strong gains[/QUOTE] It may not be too long until the next election - Katter can promise supply in the lower house to assist the LNP can form a minority, but the upper house will quite literally be a chickenpox on a political compass.

[QUOTE=343N;50666066]holy fuck wait what's this vote mean? someone said earlier that more seats is more important than more votes but if labour has more votes what does that mean?[/QUOTE] It means nothing. The seats in the House aren't determined by proportion of the popular vote. Technically, a party could win a majority in the House with only ~25% of the popular vote (~51% of the vote in 76 of the 150 electoral divisions). [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;50664240]Well the whole idea of labor is to be a mix of democratic socialism and economic conservatism But some days it seems the liberals are more and more being taken over by the conservative faction, or they just have louder voices than their liberal faction members[/QUOTE] The conservative faction was always dominant. However, a good gauge of the size of each faction was the first leadership contest between Abbott and Turnbull back when the Coalition was in opposition, where Abbott won by only one vote. Keep in mind that Turnbull at the time was advocating for an emissions trading scheme, better NBN etc.

COALITION: HOLD Malcolm Turnbull will lead the country for 3 more years

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50670894]COALITION: HOLD Malcolm Turnbull will lead the country for 3 more years[/QUOTE] game is hard

[QUOTE=killerteacup;50666954]Rudd was an awful PM and opposition leader who had a free pass due to anti Howard sentiment. Also if you think the ALP is still acting like abbott is in charge you've missed the story of this campaign, shorten fought the majority of this campaign on good policy and polling showed consistently that between two parties labors policies were hitting home way better than the coalition In fact Shorten spent the entire campaign announcing policy after policy and spent a lot of time telling the public exactly what labor would do. Shorten lifted his game when turnbull got in and it netted the ALP significant rewards. Everyone wrote Shorten off once Turnbull got in but he delivered far more than anyone had the right to expect and that was in large part because he actually offered semi competent policies and unified his party effectively I mean i wouldnt mind a member of the labor left in as much as the next guy, but i dont think shorten needs to step down just yet. Hes proved he can deliver the ALP strong gains[/QUOTE] I don't remember Rudd doing anything that was awful, he did his best to carry out what he promised to do and was able to win back the public at a time when the libs held a significant majority in the house of reps, which is something Beasley and Latham failed to do. By contrast, Shorten has very negative stigma. His campaign has most been attacks on the libs for getting rid of Medicare which would have been far more effective if Abbott was still in power. The positive policies weren't made clear to the public as well as they were in the 2007 election. If you were to ask people on the street to name some of Labor's positive policies they couldn't tell you, those policies should been the campaign ads and should have been the center piece of the campaign. The ALP should have been able to win this election. When comes to both parties though, the public wants them to work together rather than sling mud at each other, so in one way a minority isn't such a bad thing.

[QUOTE=sb27;50664111]Calling the Liberals the 'conservatives' is the same thing as calling Labor 'socialists' or the Greens 'watermelons'; it's a gross simplification of the party's support base. Just like Labor, the Liberals have multiple, competing internal factions. Turnbull is the first Liberal PM in quite a while who is not from the conservative faction. Just like how Gillard was the first Labor PM in quite a while who wasn't from the Labor Right faction (she was from the Socialist Left faction). [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] In the case of Labor, it is convention for the leader of the Labor Party to be from Labor Right, and their deputy to be from the Socialist Left. Yes, Shorten is a member of Labor Right.[/QUOTE] I hate to point it out but, calling the greens watermelons is actually quite accurate. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RoboChimp;50670943]I don't remember Rudd doing anything that was awful, he did his best to carry out what he promised to do and was able to win back the public at a time when the libs held a significant majority in the house of reps, which is something Beasley and Latham failed to do. By contrast, Shorten has very negative stigma. His campaign has most been attacks on the libs for getting rid of Medicare which would have been far more effective if Abbott was still in power. The positive policies weren't made clear to the public as well as they were in the 2007 election. If you were to ask people on the street to name some of Labor's positive policies they couldn't tell you, those policies should been the campaign ads and should have been the center piece of the campaign. The ALP should have been able to win this election. When comes to both parties though, the public wants them to work together rather than sling mud at each other, so in one way a minority isn't such a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Rudd gave money out in one of the most short sighted and reckless plans ever conceived. Stimulus was so inefficently spent its not funny. Even shorten is better than Rudd and Shorten is crap

[QUOTE=Lemmingston;50671008]I hate to point it out but, calling the greens watermelons is actually quite accurate.[/QUOTE] I'll admit I laugh every time I hear or remember that the Greens are 'watermelons' because it's clever, but it's not really true. Not even the Labor Party is 'red'.

[QUOTE=Lemmingston;50671008]I hate to point it out but, calling the greens watermelons is actually quite accurate. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] Rudd gave money out in one of the most short sighted and reckless plans ever conceived. Stimulus was so inefficently spent its not funny. Even shorten is better than Rudd and Shorten is crap[/QUOTE] yeah getting us through the GFC basically unscathed was awful and reckless

[QUOTE=sb27;50671089]I'll admit I laugh every time I hear or remember that the Greens are 'watermelons' because it's clever, but it's not really true. Not even the Labor Party is 'red'.[/QUOTE] Another classic is "when you start scrubbing the green, red shows"

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;50671186]yeah getting us through the GFC basically unscathed was awful and reckless[/QUOTE] Any idiot could dish out dosh without a real plan and save us from a slight economy shrink. The GFC affected us relatively lightly compared to other countries, anyway. If only it was invested into infrastructure, or holy shit, a NBN. Or at least something long term, not some blind throwing of money at people hoping it will trickle through. Sure it worked from saving us from just tipping into negative growth, but it was inefficient and a minumental waste of money which could have been spent better so many other ways.

[QUOTE=Lemmingston;50671008]I hate to point it out but, calling the greens watermelons is actually quite accurate. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] Rudd gave money out in one of the most short sighted and reckless plans ever conceived. Stimulus was so inefficently spent its not funny. Even shorten is better than Rudd and Shorten is crap[/QUOTE]The stimulus stopped us from having a recession and most of the spending was on the NBN, the reason it looked like Rudd was over spending was because of the global financial crisis. [QUOTE=fruxodaily;50671870]Another classic is "when you start scrubbing the green, red shows"[/QUOTE]I think Watermelons covers it mate.

who the fuck scrubs a watermelon

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;50670943]I don't remember Rudd doing anything that was awful, he did his best to carry out what he promised to do and was able to win back the public at a time when the libs held a significant majority in the house of reps, which is something Beasley and Latham failed to do. By contrast, Shorten has very negative stigma. His campaign has most been attacks on the libs for getting rid of Medicare which would have been far more effective if Abbott was still in power. The positive policies weren't made clear to the public as well as they were in the 2007 election. If you were to ask people on the street to name some of Labor's positive policies they couldn't tell you, those policies should been the campaign ads and should have been the center piece of the campaign. The ALP should have been able to win this election. When comes to both parties though, the public wants them to work together rather than sling mud at each other, so in one way a minority isn't such a bad thing.[/QUOTE] He threw a printer at a flight attendant

[QUOTE]Bill Shorten has conceded defeat. [URL]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-10/election-2016-result-bill-shorten-concedes-defeat/7584400[/URL][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Malcolm Turnbull retains role as PM. [URL]http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/australian-federal-election-2016-turnbull-to-form-government-shorten-predicts-another-poll-by-years-end-20160708-gq1qb5.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

this country sucks

Well now that I can say it without being hounded down for not allowing the democratic process to go on. Just want to say good try to labor supporters but its a democracy and people who may not know more than you or know more than you voted to keep liberal in, So respect that wait till the next election or just leave? GO Liberals :smug:

[QUOTE=Evanstr;50683082]Well now that I can say it without being hounded down for not allowing the democratic process to go on. Just want to say good try to labor supporters but its a democracy and people who may not know more than you or know more than you voted to keep liberal in, So respect that wait till the next election or just leave? GO Liberals :smug:[/QUOTE] why would i respect the choices of less informed bogans, old racists, and yuppies with their business in mind

coalition will only have 76ish seats which is literally on the line, if 1-2 MP's decide to cross the floor/become independent, then they lose that majority

[QUOTE=Rusty100;50683107]why would i respect the choices of less informed bogans, old racists, and yuppies with their business in mind[/QUOTE] .... How do you know everyone that votes liberal is a Bogan, A racist ad a "yuppie" you branding everyone which does not agree with you as this. Other labor supporters is this how you all think? I highly doubt it, I would say 5% at most of labor could be this ignorant.

[QUOTE=Evanstr;50683082]Well now that I can say it without being hounded down for not allowing the democratic process to go on. Just want to say good try to labor supporters but its a democracy and people who may not know more than you or know more than you voted to keep liberal in, So respect that wait till the next election or just leave? GO Liberals :smug:[/QUOTE] don't put all your eggs in once basket yet. Katter & McGowans support is merely supply support for a practicality so, if the Liberal-National coalition screw up just once, the Governor-General may recall it. They are treading a fine line here. One thing I think Liberal supporters have to remember is, the voters still remember all of the scandals from as far back as 2013, maybe even earlier than that. If you get called out on it and don't provide a response, or try to paint the other side as manipulative yet without an explanation for your party's abuse of power or parliamentary priviledge, it's clear acknowledgement of ignorance and a failure to accept the actions of those responsible. As Hewson said, "What it does is confirms the worst perceptions of politicians. That they're in the business for themselves, that they're in the business with their snouts in the trough. The electorate will not wear this and will not continue to wear it."

rusty missed a type of lib voter, the smug shit who takes a marginal victory for his side as life affirmation