New Data Shows Just How Unequal Wealth Has Become in the U.S. Since the 80s - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28289325]because nobody is more alien to cooperation than a corporation[/QUOTE] The probability that these massive business could conspire with one another and still not be destroyed by the competitive efforts of capitalism is unthinkably small.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289229]You provide no proof of your claims and don't even suggest an argument or alternative to any of the things I've brought up today. You're making a large generalization about my political and economic knowledge. Atlas Shrugged isn't even my favorite Ayn Rand novel and I already mentioned earlier that my favorite political theorist and economist is Milton Friedman not Rand. Either learn to read or educate yourself, fuckwit. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] That's pretty much what's been going on for the past few hours, yeah.[/QUOTE] What proof do you want? History, current governments and economic situations, as well as several economists prove your extremely superficial ideology to be moot in the context of such a complex global-economic arena. Shit, at least I can respect the intelligent combat that occurs between the Austrian and Keynesian fields. I place little stock in the Chicago school, which flies right in the face of history and how economies actually work when placed into practice. (i.e government intervention within the private sector being a savior rather than the destroyer in regards to the economy) Either way, there is no need for me to grudge up some data to disprove you, since this is common-knowledge for a person who has actually taken a history/civics course sometime within their lifetime. Given your petty arguments, you don't seem to posses the knowledge.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289355]The probability that these massive business could conspire with one another and still not be destroyed by the competitive efforts of capitalism is unthinkably small.[/QUOTE] Stop saying things without giving specific examples. Why is it so unthinkably small?

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289336]The rich don't have the right, they have the ability. Education would be served better through private methods.[/QUOTE] In your world, the poor wouldn't be able to learn abilities to get out of poverty. So, if you think that rich people are born smart, maybe it would be best to just shoot you now, because you're obviously retarded and will never amount to anything. Trust me, it's a favour.

[QUOTE=torero;28289381]In your world, the poor wouldn't be able to learn abilities to get out of poverty. So, if you think that rich people are born smart, maybe it would be best to just shoot you now, because you're obviously retarded and will never amount to anything. Trust me, it's a favour.[/QUOTE] I think I've already accomplished a great deal, thank you.

[QUOTE=torero;28289381]maybe it would be best to just shoot you now[/QUOTE] Good for Strider you can't afford a gun then, heh. #capitalismsavedmylife edit: [QUOTE=that1dude24;28289414]Keep goin' Pockets, don't argue your opinion and retain a smug sense of superiority over others on a forum who can actually back their arguments.[/QUOTE] Well hey, you know, that's just like your [i]opinion[/i], man. edit again: but seriously, that one dude twenty-four, I'm taking that reply to heart, gonna do some serious meditation on it. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Pockets;28289351]Keep goin' Strider, argue for the establishment and status quo on a forum entirely inhabited by high-schoolers and NEETS, keep going. It's making my day.[/QUOTE] Keep goin' Pockets, don't argue your opinion and retain a smug sense of superiority over others on a forum who can actually back their arguments.

[QUOTE=Kontradaz;28289368]What proof do you want? History, current governments and economic situations, as well as several economists prove your extremely superficial ideology to be moot in the context of such a complex global-economic arena. Shit, at least I can respect the intelligent combat that occurs between the Austrian and Keynesian fields. I place little stock in the Chicago school, which flies right in the face of history and how economies actually work when placed into practice. (i.e government intervention within the private sector being a savior rather than the destroyer in regards to the economy) Either way, there is no need for me to grudge up some data to disprove you, since this is common-knowledge for a person who has actually taken a history/civics course sometime within their lifetime. Given your petty arguments, you don't seem to posses the knowledge.[/QUOTE] This topic isn't about me it's about the argument.. Thanks for providing absolutely nothing of substance to this debate.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289425]This topic isn't about me it's about the argument.. Thanks for providing absolutely nothing of substance to this debate.[/QUOTE] As someone once said: "You are clueless."

[QUOTE=Kontradaz;28289462]As someone once said: "You are clueless."[/QUOTE] Whatever, dude.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289404]I think I've already accomplished a great deal, thank you.[/QUOTE] Instead of focusing on the part where I made a joke, why don't you cease the opportunity to enlighten me. Again, you said: [quote="Strider"]The rich don't have the right, they have the ability. [/quote] I said: [quote="torero"]In your world, the poor wouldn't be able to learn abilities to get out of poverty.[/quote] So eventually wealth just becomes hereditary, and completely alien from merit or effort, which is what you wanted in your perfect society. Are you really of this opinion or am I looking at your argument in a wrong way, if so, please inform me and explain.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289473]Whatever, dude.[/QUOTE] Either way, the fact that you ignored my argument shows me that you either lack the understanding to argue against me or lack the will to do anything else than create stupid fallacious/superficial arguments. And, right now, I am guessing it is the former.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288193]I said off the top of your head, and they are nowhere near as significant or as numerous as American artists.[/QUOTE] Maybe you don't know them as well because they lived half way around the world.

[QUOTE=Kontradaz;28289524]Either way, the fact that you ignored my argument shows me that you either lack the understanding to argue against me or lack the will to do anything else than create stupid fallacious/superficial arguments. And, right now, I am guessing it is the former.[/QUOTE] Your only argument is your generalization of my knowledge. Why the fuck should I waste my time arguing with you about it?

I was under the impression that Strider was just playing devil's advocate to keep the thread interesting. Am I wrong? I mean, are there people who actually think like this in real life? edit: for the record, as I understand it, Australia only has private schools and look how [i]that[/i] turned out.

[QUOTE=torero;28289492] Are you really of this opinion or am I looking at your argument in a wrong way, if so, please inform me and explain.[/QUOTE] You're preassuming that there would only be a market for the education of the rich. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Pockets;28289550]I was under the impression that Strider was just playing devil's advocate to keep the thread interesting. Am I wrong? I mean, are there people who actually think like this in real life?[/QUOTE] There are my friend. Research objectivism and libertarianism.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289563]Your preassuming that their would only be a market for the education of the rich.[/QUOTE] Who would pay for the education of the poor in your view, where the only right is to your own life?

[QUOTE=torero;28289583]Who would pay for the education of the poor in your view?[/QUOTE] The poor.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289404]I think I've already accomplished a great deal, thank you.[/QUOTE] Well you've made yourself look like a massive idiot. That takes effort I suppose.

I find it funny that you're all riding him about the public education aspect the most, when its the thing he's the most right about. People have been educated without the public school system for thousands of years either by teaching themselves or having some one else do it, what public schooling offers is the same thing that communism offers monetarily, everyone is equal and yet the standard of education is so low that they're all equally stupid. You also get to hear about what you are or aren't allowed to teach in class, standardization of lessons because other people are offended over the subject matter or what to include or exclude. Equality isn't always a good thing, especially when the level that everyone is equal on is low. Then you're just dragging everyone down. Public schooling like other forms of "public" businesses also destroys all competition in a bad way, if you're so concerned about monopolies why is it OK for the government to hold a monopoly on education? How is that good? To have no competition to compete with and for there to be nobody to complain to when you're angry about the standard of education? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swl8frWSNEQ[/media]

[QUOTE=Pockets;28289550] edit: for the record, as I understand it, Australia only has private schools and look how [i]that[/i] turned out.[/QUOTE] Australia has public schools.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288193]I said off the top of your head, and they are nowhere near as significant or as numerous as American artists.[/QUOTE] Let me guess. You live in America? If not that, then Britain, or any other English speaking country? You're so fucking thick, no wonder you think there's more American artists, because YOU HAVEN'T BEEN EXPOSED TO THE RUSSIAN ONES. The cold war didn't help, how are Russian artists supposed to get popular around the world while the Soviet Union is isolated from pretty much all of it? And who gives a shit about who is famous and well known? The importance is talent. RayWilliamJohnson is one of youtube's most popular accounts. But if you think he has talent then you're a fucking idiot and you have no right to talk about art at all.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;28289644]RayWilliamJohnson is one of youtube's most popular accounts. But if you think he has talent then you're a fucking idiot and you have no right to talk about art at all.[/QUOTE] Don't you dare... RayWilliamJohnson is the greatest artist of our generation. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28289604]Well you've made yourself look like a massive idiot. That takes effort I suppose.[/QUOTE] Your surrender to my superior intellect was graceful. I thank you.

As entertaining as your sarcastic comments were, you blatantly ignored my other points. Try again. [QUOTE=FunnyBunny;28289644]Let me guess. You live in America? If not that, then Britain, or any other English speaking country? You're so fucking thick, no wonder you think there's more American artists, because YOU HAVEN'T BEEN EXPOSED TO THE RUSSIAN ONES. The cold war didn't help, how are Russian artists supposed to get popular around the world while the Soviet Union is isolated from pretty much all of it? And who gives a shit about who is famous and well known? The importance is talent. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289549]Your only argument is your generalization of my knowledge. Why the fuck should I waste my time arguing with you about it?[/QUOTE] Why? Because your so-called "arguments" and "knowledge" butchers and simplies the entire field of economics and politics to simplistic and unreal levels. Within your discussions and arguments about Soviet Russia, how the market spreads arts and inventions, and how wealth is distributed, you create entire fallacies and strawmen that focus on topcis that are archaic and not even considered by economists of this day. As I have said before, do some actual research into the three broad fields of economics of this day (among the many others that you can also look into): Austrian, Keynesian, and Chicago schools. Each school has something to add to the complex discussion of economies, and within the context of history and their practical usages a person can create an educated opinion regarding the validity of the different fields. You, on the other hand, have not made any argument that is grounded in these theories or the real-world.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289679]Your surrender to my superior intellect was graceful. I thank you.[/QUOTE] I'll be sure to dance on your grave when you cough out your last wretched and empty breath you mindless Randroid. Luckily I'll be able to dig up your body and feed your organs to your surviving family members, since as a free individual in your capitalist paradise that will be my prerogative.

[QUOTE=Kontradaz;28289759]Why? Because your so-called "arguments" and "knowledge" butchers and simplies the entire field of economics and politics to simplistic and unreal levels. Within your discussions and arguments about Soviet Russia, how the market spreads arts and inventions, and how wealth is distributed, you create entire fallacies and strawmen that focus on topcis that are archaic and not even considered by economists of this day. As I have said before, do some actual research into the three broad fields of economics of this day: Austrian, Keynesian, and Chicago schools. Each school has something to add to the complex discussion of economies, and within the context of history and their practical usages a person can create an educated opinion regarding the validity of the different fields. You, on the other hand, have not made any argument that is grounded in these theories or the real-world.[/QUOTE] Give me an example of this. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28289777]I'll be sure to dance on your grave when you cough out your last wretched and empty breath you mindless Randroid.[/QUOTE] Why don't you lighten up, brother?

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289600]The poor.[/QUOTE] And, pray tell, who would provide this system, sustained by the poor people's money? Also, public schooling doesn't necessarily have to have a low standard of education. The government need only provide the funds and pay the best and brightest to devise the teaching programs. There can still be competition.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289780]Give me an example of this. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] Why don't you lighten up, brother?[/QUOTE] Because with every blissfully ignorant idealistic self deprecating and woefully malevolent thought you let eek onto your keyboard I'm reminded that humanity is too rock stupid to live.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28281410]REAGAN :argh:[/QUOTE] reagan is behind a very large tax hike against the rich good sir :arghfist::saddowns: