New Data Shows Just How Unequal Wealth Has Become in the U.S. Since the 80s - Polidicks

[QUOTE=torero;28289823]And, pray tell, who would provide this system, sustained by the poor people's money? Also, public schooling doesn't necessarily have to have a low standard of education. The government need only provide the funds and pay the best and brightest to devise the teaching programs.[/QUOTE] No, cease your reasonable prattle. The united states, perfect country that it is, is full of retards and rejects who can't make a public school system worth a damn, therefor it cannot be done. Sweden is a den of lies and filth. We are the best. How dare you assault my bubble of American exceptionalism with your facts.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28289563]Research objectivism and libertarianism.[/QUOTE] I've never understood what individual liberty has to do with capitalism. I don't think you're promoting personal liberty, I think you're promoting corporate liberty. How do you feel about decriminalizing drugs, prostitution, etc? edit: [QUOTE=that1dude24;28289895]I'm sure that they will receive quality education in those schools. Professors and teachers alike will be flocking to have a chance to educate the poor at a salary which would need to be incredibly small to maintain the function of the school. Are you aware at all of how much money a school takes to operate, even at barebones levels? You realize that this would bring economic class drift to a near halt, giving only the rich an opportunity at quality education?[/QUOTE] I dunno man, I was [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling]unschooled[/url] and look how well adjusted I am.

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[QUOTE=Strider*;28289600]The poor.[/QUOTE] I'm sure that they will receive quality education in those schools. Professors and teachers alike will be flocking to have a chance to educate the poor at a salary which would need to be incredibly small to maintain the function of the school. Are you aware at all of how much money a school takes to operate, even at barebones levels? You realize that this would bring economic class drift to a near halt, giving only the rich an opportunity at quality education?

[QUOTE=torero;28289823]Also, public schooling doesn't necessarily have to have a low standard of education. The government need only provide the funds and pay the best and brightest to devise the teaching programs. There can still be competition.[/QUOTE] Except they don't and there isn't.

[QUOTE=Pockets;28289885]I've never understood what individual liberty has to do with capitalism. I don't think you're promoting personal liberty, I think you're promoting corporate liberty. How do you feel about decriminalizing drugs, prostitution, etc?[/QUOTE] Should be completely legal.

[QUOTE=that1dude24;28289895]I'm sure that they will receive quality education in those schools. Professors and teachers alike will be flocking to have a chance to educate the poor at a salary which would need to be incredibly small to maintain the function of the school. Are you aware at all of how much money a school takes to operate, even at barebones levels? You realize that this would bring economic class drift to a near halt, giving only the rich an opportunity at quality education?[/QUOTE] Silence. Cease. Desist. The poor deserve lower standards of education for daring to be born in the ghetto. They must have all the cards stacked against them. Anything less would be unfair. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;28289910]Except they don't and there isn't.[/QUOTE] It isn't done in the glorious land of the free and the brave, it cannot be done. It cannot be fixed. Quickly, remove the ability for the poor to become educated and elevate themselves above their status before another cent of my money goes to such drivel.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28289919] It isn't done in the glorious land of the free and the brave, it cannot be done. It cannot be fixed. Quickly, remove the ability for the poor to become educated and elevate themselves above their status before another cent of my money goes to such drivel.[/QUOTE] You do know the public school system is fairly recent don't you? You seem to ignore the fact that education and functional human beings existed before the almighty public school system.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28289613]I find it funny that you're all riding him about the public education aspect the most, when its the thing he's the most right about. People have been educated without the public school system for thousands of years either by teaching themselves or having some one else do it, what public schooling offers is the same thing that communism offers monetarily, everyone is equal and yet the standard of education is so low that they're all equally stupid. You also get to hear about what you are or aren't allowed to teach in class, standardization of lessons because other people are offended over the subject matter or what to include or exclude. Equality isn't always a good thing, especially when the level that everyone is equal on is low. Then you're just dragging everyone down. Public schooling like other forms of "public" businesses also destroys all competition in a bad way, if you're so concerned about monopolies why is it OK for the government to hold a monopoly on education? How is that good? To have no competition to compete with and for there to be nobody to complain to when you're angry about the standard of education? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swl8frWSNEQ[/media][/QUOTE] I wasn't aware that the majority of public school systems operate on a communist system and make people stupid and reduces competition. I also wasn't aware that people in the past have had the time, effort, and resources to educate themselves. Oh wait... that's all bullshit. You may point to current private schools and point out how successful they are, but if one were to abolish public education and reinstate private-only education we would be set back a hundred years wherein the richest families would get education, while others lower on the financial rungs will either get crappy or nonexistent education. You yourself seem to complain about the extremes within this topic, but you seem to be doing the same thing with an extreme view of public-schooling which bases itself upon a comparison to communism and a lack of competition. This is superficial libertarian propaganda and prattle, and is yet again another red herring that is just a moot and juvenile discussion in the context of our society.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28289956]You do know the public school system is fairly recent don't you? You seem to ignore the fact that education and functional human beings existed before the almighty public school system.[/QUOTE] Look at our societal, economic, and technological progress from the point of implementation of public education and tell me we haven't improved.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28289956]You do know the public school system is fairly recent don't you? You seem to ignore the fact that education and functional human beings existed before the almighty public school system.[/QUOTE] Yes, it existed if you were part of the clergy or of noble birth. Indeed, both fine career choices.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28289956]You do know the public school system is fairly recent don't you? You seem to ignore the fact that education and functional human beings existed before the almighty public school system.[/QUOTE] And obviously we don't want to improve the education of the populous any further do we? After all, there is no new knowledge to be tought anyway! No knowledge of computers, the foundation of future society, need be explained. No facet of the ever changing world of business need be shared. No piece of the vast and varied world of art need be shown. I'm sure that children raised to the standards of 18th century farmers will fair perfectly well in the world of silicon and global communication.

[QUOTE=Kontradaz;28289993]This is superficial libertarian propaganda and prattle, and is yet again another red herring that is just a moot and juvenile discussion in the context of our society.[/QUOTE] You're trying way too hard, reading your statements is almost painful.

maybe they should just tax the rich more but not so much that they cant live comfortably? and then they can use all that extra money to make the country better....

[QUOTE=Kontradaz;28289993]I wasn't aware that the majority of public school systems operate on a communist system and make people stupid and reduces competition. I also wasn't aware that people in the past have had the time, effort, and resources to educate themselves. Oh wait... that's all bullshit. [/QUOTE] The standard of education in America is very low, public schools do not allow you to choose which school you actually attend because they're based on location of your home. You have no choice. You say that there isn't a monopoly on education? Point to one, ONE institution which holds a candle to it. You declare things bullshit with no justification besides "[b]poor people[/b], I'm right", backup your bullshit. How is it not a monopoly? how is the issue of choice addressed? Standardization of education? You answer none of these questions.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28290013]You're trying way too hard, reading your statements is almost painful.[/QUOTE] Maybe that's because he's not being serious. Though I suppose expecting you to pick up on obvious social cues and obvious facts is about as reasonable as expecting a chicken with it's head cut off to pick up on the nuances of Shakespearean linguistics.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28290025]maybe they should just tax the rich more but not so much that they still cant live comfortably? and then they can use all that extra money to make the country better....[/QUOTE] Holy shit, I thought Einstein was dead.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28290033]The standard of education in America is very low, public schools do not allow you to choose which school you actually attend because they're based on location of your home. You have no choice. You say that there isn't a monopoly on education? Point to one, ONE institution which holds a candle to it. You declare things bullshit with no justification besides "[b]poor people[/b], I'm right", backup your bullshit.[/QUOTE] America is shitty at public education? Well obviously if we can't do it, no one can. Since we are the best after all. It also can't be improved. Ever. By anyone. Because it's already as good as it can be because we're america.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28290071]America is shitty at public education? Well obviously if we can't do it, no one can. Since we are the best after all. It also can't be improved. Ever. By anyone. Because it's already as good as it can be because we're america.[/QUOTE] Well you've only had 100 years, i thought that might be enough time to get your shit together

[QUOTE=s0beit;28290078]Well you've only had 100 years, i thought that might be enough time to get your shit together[/QUOTE] Nope. America is kind of fucking stupid like that. By the way, Gays still can't marry in many states because we think it would cause bad juju.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28290033]The standard of education in America is very low, public schools do not allow you to choose which school you actually attend because they're based on location of your home. You have no choice. You say that there isn't a monopoly on education? Point to one, ONE institution which holds a candle to it. You declare things bullshit with no justification besides "[b]poor people[/b], I'm right", backup your bullshit.[/QUOTE] Unless you aren't aware, public education is not limited to the U.S. Plenty of other countries have public education systems that are stellar. France? China? Australia? Finland? Check the statistics... (google it/wiki it/ do your research) Like I said before, the argument of public vs. private education is absolutely juvenile in our society. Most countries have a system that mixes both ways, and data proves that public education that is done right (AKA Not US system) is fabulous and effectively educates people.

[QUOTE=Kontradaz;28290104]Unless you aren't aware, public education is not limited to the U.S. Plenty of other countries have public education systems that are stellar. France? China? Australia? Finland? Check the statistics... (google it/wiki it/ do your research) Like I said before, the argument of public vs. private education is absolutely juvenile in our society. Most countries have a system that mixes both ways, and data proves that public education that is done right (AKA Not US system) is fabulous and effectively educates people.[/QUOTE] I am personally offended by this continued insult to the glorious and infallible nation known as the USA.

[QUOTE=Kontradaz;28290104]China?[/QUOTE] what is wrong with you why would you refer to china in a positive light even at all ever, they're like the best currently existing argument [i]for[/i] capitalism by virtue of how terrible it is over there, don't ever do that again. They ban [i]videogames[/i] in china, man. [i][b]Videogames.[/i][/b]

[QUOTE=s0beit;28290033]The standard of education in America is very low, public schools do not allow you to choose which school you actually attend because they're based on location of your home. You have no choice. You say that there isn't a monopoly on education? Point to one, ONE institution which holds a candle to it. You declare things bullshit with no justification besides "[b]poor people[/b], I'm right", backup your bullshit. How is it not a monopoly? how is the issue of choice addressed? Standardization of education? You answer none of these questions.[/QUOTE] You imply that there isn't a private schooling option in america, and that that option isn't almost universally considered superior, If more expensive. There isn't a monopoly, because although the public schooling system is cheaper, it is considered inferior to private education. Therefore, you get what you pay for. Rich people can send their kids to a private school, middle class and poor people can still get a decent education if they apply themselves. In a system without public schooling, only those who can afford private schooling can send their children to school. Because of that, only those with money can get their children educated well enough to make money of their own, and in return wealth is hereditary, which is a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28289884]No, cease your reasonable prattle. The united states, perfect country that it is, is full of retards and rejects who can't make a public school system worth a damn, therefor it cannot be done. Sweden is a den of lies and filth. We are the best. How dare you assault my bubble of American exceptionalism with your facts.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28290071]America is shitty at public education? Well obviously if we can't do it, no one can. Since we are the best after all. It also can't be improved. Ever. By anyone. Because it's already as good as it can be because we're america.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.freewebs.com/misty200299/keith.gif[/img] [i]In America.[/i] No but seriously, the US adopting a public school system was incredibly good thinking. It's just too bad ti got fucked over as time went on.

[QUOTE=froztshock;28290173]You imply that there isn't a private schooling option in america, and that that option isn't almost universally considered superior, If more expensive. There isn't a monopoly, because although the public schooling system is cheaper, it is considered inferior to private education. Therefore, you get what you pay for. Rich people can send their kids to a private school, middle class and poor people can still get a decent education if they apply themselves. In a system without public schooling, only those who can afford private schooling can send their children to school. Because of that, only those with money can get their children educated well enough to make money of their own, and in return wealth is hereditary, which is a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Have you even considered that private education might be monumentally more expensive [i]because[/i] of its need to "compete" with public education, a monopoly, funded by "free" dollars? You guys made a similar argument about media and communications a few pages back but brush it off completely now. It is often considered superior though i won't go as far to say all private institutions are always superior, there's some shitty private institutions out there I'm sure. [QUOTE=Kontradaz;28290104]Unless you aren't aware, public education is not limited to the U.S. Plenty of other countries have public education systems that are stellar. France? China? Australia? Finland? Check the statistics... (google it/wiki it/ do your research) Like I said before, the argument of public vs. private education is absolutely juvenile in our society. Most countries have a system that mixes both ways, and data proves that public education that is done right (AKA Not US system) is fabulous and effectively educates people.[/QUOTE] Is private education more expensive in those areas? Is learning material or lesson planning standard in some? How can a private school possibly compete against "free" funding from it's own citizens? Who are public schools accountable to besides the government? How does this foster innovation and competition? The results might be spectacular but we wouldn't really know since there are no alternatives, what are your rates compared to people educated under a private system? Or home schooled for that matter.

none of this shit matters, people dont even retain alot of the crap they learn in public school besides the basic stuff (algebra, geometry, history, phys-ed etc.)

[QUOTE=s0beit;28290242]Have you even considered that private education might be monumentally more expensive [i]because[/i] of its need to "compete" with public education, a monopoly, funded by "free" dollars? You guys made a similar argument about media and communications a few pages back but brush it off completely now. It is often considered superior though i won't go as far to say all private institutions are always superior, there's some shitty private institutions out there I'm sure. Is private education more expensive in those areas? Is learning material or lesson planning standard in some? How can a private school possibly compete against "free" funding from it's own citizens? Who are public schools accountable to besides the government? How does this foster innovation and competition? The results might be spectacular but we wouldn't really know since there are no alternatives, what are your rates compared to people educated under a private system? Or home schooled for that matter.[/QUOTE] Wait, wouldn't competing against a "free" alternative force private schools to keep their prices as [b]low[/b] as possible to compete? If public education were removed and there was a sudden demand for private schools wouldn't that cause prices to actually increase, both because of the demand and because of the removal of a free competitor?

[QUOTE=s0beit;28290242]Have you even considered that private education might be monumentally more expensive [i]because[/i] of its need to "compete" with public education, a monopoly, funded by "free" dollars? You guys made a similar argument about media and communications a few pages back but brush it off completely now. It is often considered superior though i won't go as far to say all private institutions are always superior, there's some shitty private institutions out there I'm sure. Is private education more expensive in those areas? Is learning material or lesson planning standard in some? How can a private school possibly compete against "free" funding from it's own citizens? Who are public schools accountable to besides the government? How does this foster innovation and competition? The results might be spectacular but we wouldn't really know since there are no alternatives, what are your rates compared to people educated under a private system? Or home schooled for that matter.[/QUOTE] There is no such thing as "free" dollars. As a government organization it is supported by the budget of the government and the taxes paid by citizens. In the U.S, private institutions absolutely kill public ones. In other countries, it is more even. Public schools are accountable to society, government, and the tax-payers that support them. The bureaucracy that is involved in the regulation of the educational system, although it needs improvement, does create accountability and does allow for competition and innovation. While public schools in countries such as France and Finland have programs that allow for competition between students and fosters innovation, public schools in the U.S are more limited. That does not mean that there is no competition or that private schools have more competition. Other systems, such as private and home-schooled, fare fare well themselves. But the fact that a certain system does well does not automatically negate the benefits of a system that is public.