New Data Shows Just How Unequal Wealth Has Become in the U.S. Since the 80s - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288659]I have never once made the claim in this thread that Soviet Russia was true communism. I bring up Soviet Russia as the absence of capitalism not the purity of communism.[/QUOTE] but it's still the false dichotomy that you live and breathe and sprinkle on your eggs every morning so... [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28288671] Do you want a society in which people are treated like shit and the rich are allowed to do whatever the fuck they want in the named of "fairness"?[/QUOTE] he wants this but actually percieves it to be a good thing, that's where the disconnect lies

How about we do State capitalism?

[QUOTE=Kybalt;28288643]monopolies are completely okay though right? and companies should have no requirement to provide compensation for on the job injuries due to the cheaper and less safe equipment?[/QUOTE] Monopolies are okay in the event that they didn't become monopolies through the efforts of the bureaucracy. It's extremely unlikely for a monopoly to exist without this though.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288640]You have no right to do such a thing. [/QUOTE] Pardon? Theres no such things as rights, you have what you can take, and the laws are written by the majority and appeal to the majority. if 10% of people have 2/3 of the wealth, then the needs of the other 90% of people come first.

IF YOU'RE NOT A CAPITALIST, GULAGS, GULAGS EVERYWHERE IF YOU'RE NOT A SOCIALIST, CORPORATIONS KILLING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE seriously this is the stupidest fucking argument on facepunch i have seen to date, that's saying a whole lot after watching Glaber carry on

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28288671]Strider, what the fuck do you want. Do you want a society in which people are treated like shit and the rich are allowed to do whatever the fuck they want in the named of "fairness", or do you want a country that isn't "fair" but is actually a nice fucking place to live in?[/QUOTE] I want a society where everyone is free and owns their own person as well as their production.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288659]I have never once made the claim in this thread that Soviet Russia was true communism. I bring up Soviet Russia as the absence of capitalism not the purity of communism.[/QUOTE] oh so correlation does equal causation it's not that the society is flawed at it's core, it's that it just doesn't have something you have, and so all subsequent problems that that place has can be laid at the feet of that absence of that one thing

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288681]Monopolies are okay in the event that they didn't become monopolies through the efforts of the bureaucracy.[/QUOTE] :geno:

[QUOTE=s0beit;28288695]IF YOU'RE NOT A CAPITALIST, GULAGS, GULAGS EVERYWHERE IF YOU'RE NOT A SOCIALIST, CORPORATIONS KILLING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE seriously this is the stupidest fucking argument on facepunch i have seen to date, that's saying a whole lot after watching Glaber carry on[/QUOTE] except the people opposing strider aren't saying "IF YOU'RE NOT A SOCIALIST, CORPORATIONS KILLING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE"

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288681]Monopolies are okay in the event that they didn't become monopolies through the efforts of the bureaucracy. [b]It's extremely unlikely for a monopoly to exist without this though.[/b][/QUOTE] all of the companies that produce a product conspire to raise the price on it. this is okay right?

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;28288693]Pardon? Theres no such things as rights, you have what you can take, and the laws are written by the majority and appeal to the majority.[/QUOTE] Natural rights theory.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28288695]IF YOU'RE NOT A CAPITALIST, GULAGS, GULAGS EVERYWHERE IF YOU'RE NOT A SOCIALIST, CORPORATIONS KILLING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE seriously this is the stupidest fucking argument on facepunch i have seen to date, that's saying a whole lot after watching Glaber carry on[/QUOTE] I'm just throwing in random shit I have no idea what the fuck is going on.

[QUOTE=Haxxer;28284598]This is true, but I doubt they'll have every penny spent on that[/QUOTE] smart people keep their money in none cash form. If you have money in the bank in cash alone there is a reason why you are the 90% majority. I have a hard time grasping why people think rich people are some kind of evil satan worshipers who are out to hurt you. Many of those people are simply smart with money. I am willing to be if you took a study the 90% majority would A) be spending their money in retarded ways, and B) be under educated. It is not rich peoples fault you are poor. This thread makes me angry. [quote]Strider, what the fuck do you want. Do you want a society in which people are treated like shit and the rich are allowed to do whatever the fuck they want in the named of "fairness", [b]or do you want a country that isn't "fair" but is actually a nice fucking place to live in?[/b][/quote] You are the worst possible person.

ITT: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGkuYsE8F7w[/media]

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288706]I want a society where everyone is free and owns their own person as well as their production.[/QUOTE] And I want a world in which seagulls shit gumdrops and the ocean is made out of delicious Tang. Unfortunately in that world all sea life would drown to death in orange flavor and gumdrop sales would plummet. See, reality doesn't match up to what you want. Sometimes you need to realize that what you want isn't what would work.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288706]I want a society where everyone is free and owns their own person as well as their production.[/QUOTE] then you'd want an anarcho-syndicalist state but no that ain't right because anarcho-syndicalism is for worker's rights. sorry to break it to you but someone forced to work in a sweatshop for lack of any other means of not starving does not own his own production.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288719]Natural rights theory.[/QUOTE] Theory =/= Reality. In fact, natural rights isn't even at the status of theory.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288706]I want a society where everyone is free and owns their own person as well as their production.[/QUOTE] and where do you see yourself in this society?

[QUOTE=s0beit;28288695]IF YOU'RE NOT A CAPITALIST, GULAGS, GULAGS EVERYWHERE IF YOU'RE NOT A SOCIALIST, CORPORATIONS KILLING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE seriously this is the stupidest fucking argument on facepunch i have seen to date, that's saying a whole lot after watching Glaber carry on[/QUOTE] I was about to say the same thing, both sides using the absolute extreme of each end of the spectrum to argue their points.

[QUOTE=Bluesummers;28288732]smart people keep their money in none cash form. If you have money in the bank in cash alone there is a reason why you are the 90% majority. I have a hard time grasping why people think rich people are some kind of evil satan worshipers who are out to hurt you. many of those people are simply smart with money. I am willing to be if you took a study the 90% majority would A) be spending their money in retarded ways, and B) be under educated. It is not rich peoples fault you are poor. This thread makes me angry.[/QUOTE] exactly. this is why we should educate poor people less, so they can learn their lesson

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288734]ITT: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGkuYsE8F7w[/media][/QUOTE] well at least you're consistent in that you support the system of economic oppression of the inner-city poor that lead to the creation of hip-hop as a form of music :v:

[QUOTE=Kybalt;28288717]all of the companies that produce a product conspire to raise the price on it. this is okay right?[/QUOTE] Sure. Takes two seconds for one of them to betray the others. Or for someone else to enter the business and provide a fair price destroying the others. Or even for the consumers in response to move to a new alternative product.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28288716]except the people opposing strider aren't saying "IF YOU'RE NOT A SOCIALIST, CORPORATIONS KILLING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE"[/QUOTE] Nor are the people arguing for capitalism mentioning gulags, my point is that people are going to such extremes on both sides they both look like fucking morons

This is more retarded than that time I argued for pro-authoritarianism.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;28287545]Art nowadays is a fucking joke [img_thumb]http://www.christies.com/lotfinderimages/d49788/d4978867x.jpg[/img_thumb] This is a portrait that is priced at $4,000,000. Anyone could whip this up in MS paint in 1 minute and it wouldn't be worth shit. But because some famous guy drew it it's suddenly worth 4 million. Capitalism has turned art into hipster shit. My personal favorite artist is Norman Rockwell, here's an example of his work: [img_thumb]http://www.normanadams.org/assets/images/NR4Want.JPG[/img_thumb] He made great paintings, and he didn't have to be paid ridiculous sums of money to do it.[/QUOTE] Don't you dare criticise Abstract art you ignorant buffoon

[QUOTE=Kybalt;28288744]and where do you see yourself in this society?[/QUOTE] An individual. “I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” Oh no did he quote that witch again?

[QUOTE=s0beit;28288771]Nor are the people arguing for capitalism mentioning gulags, my point is that people are going to such extremes on both sides they both look like fucking morons[/QUOTE] im trying to say that an extreme is bad ill be fucked by a transdimensional gelatinous superbeing before strider will fucking admit that though

[QUOTE=s0beit;28288771]Nor are the people arguing for capitalism mentioning gulags, my point is that people are going to such extremes on both sides they both look like fucking morons[/QUOTE] no but no one [i]at all[/i] is saying "socialism or corporations killing everyone" it is literally sane people v strider

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288780]An individual. “I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” Oh no did he quote that witch again?[/QUOTE] Wow. You are really, really, really short sighted. Have fun being an individual with a missing arm and no medical leave I guess.

[QUOTE=Strider*;28288758]Sure. Takes two seconds for one of them to betray the others. [b]Or for someone else to enter the business and provide a fair price destroying the others.[/b] Or even for the consumers in response to move to a new alternative product.[/QUOTE] sure, if you accept that there's no start up cost in this business, or that you need to know people to get the materials to start it, and that's also assuming that the "the others" don't own all the means of production. also i'm pretty sure you can't betray the others if you sign a business contract for x years, unless those also don't exist in your society.