• Gun rights advocates can publish lawmakers' addresses, judge rules
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51894900]death threats presumably, since we might as well give up the pretence that America operates as a functioning democracy if anything goes now[/QUOTE] Thanks but I wasnt justifying it, like I said 3 times previously. But please continue to push your Napoleon Complex down our throats.
[QUOTE=geel9;51896004]Because currently the law is that people can be doxxed. You seem to still not get it. [b]We don't want anyone to be doxxed.[/b] The only reason we're saying it's okay to doxx lawmakers is because [b]that's what the fucking law is.[/b] We are proposing that it be changed so that nobody be doxxed.[/QUOTE] uh this law is one that allows public officials to demand personal information be removed from the internet if they or their families are being threatened i'm not too sure how exactly this law allows doxxing??
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51896016]uh this law is one that allows public officials to demand personal information be removed from the internet if they or their families are being threatened i'm not too sure how exactly this law allows doxxing??[/QUOTE] The ruling showed that lawmakers are not protected from doxxing, just as normal citizens are not. The judge ruled that under the current law, that's legal. So let's change that.
[QUOTE=geel9;51896019]The ruling showed that lawmakers are not protected from doxxing, just as normal citizens are not. The judge ruled that under the current law, that's legal. So let's change that.[/QUOTE] That's more or less what my argument was trying to point to.
[QUOTE=geel9;51896019]The ruling showed that lawmakers are not protected from doxxing, just as normal citizens are not. The judge ruled that under the current law, that's legal. So let's change that.[/QUOTE] so how do you do that exactly considering that this law is a restriction on doxxing rather than permitting or expanding upon it
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51896035]so how do you do that exactly considering that this law is a restriction on doxxing rather than permitting or expanding upon it[/QUOTE] By writing laws that better protect our citizens?
[QUOTE=geel9;51896063]By writing laws that better protect our citizens?[/QUOTE] well this law is already one that restricts doxxing do you expand it to cover more people or what, because the ruling said that the restricting of doxxing violates the first amendment
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51896080]well this law is already one that restricts doxxing do you expand it to cover more people or what, because the ruling said that the restricting of doxxing violates the first amendment[/QUOTE] If it's truly unconstitutional you're going to have a real hard time passing that then. If that's the view of our government, then I guess people can be doxxed. Obviously I don't want lawmakers to be doxxed but if it's legal then what do you expect to happen? Do you expect there to be special provisions for lawmakers? How do you propose we stop doxxers?
[QUOTE=geel9;51896096]If it's truly unconstitutional you're going to have a real hard time passing that then. If that's the view of our government, then I guess people can be doxxed. Obviously I don't want lawmakers to be doxxed but if it's legal then what do you expect to happen? Do you expect there to be special provisions for lawmakers? How do you propose we stop doxxers?[/QUOTE] people who are being sent death threats that could seriously harm themselves or their family should be allowed to have their personal information taken down off the internet? like that's literally my position
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51895953]i don't think you get that the entire drive of many of the people supporting this ruling was to make it easier to threaten and intimidate them the law itself allowed public officials to demand their personal information to be removed if they or their family was being threatened as a result of it. saying "this doesn't mean they get death threats, see how innocuous this is" doesn't cut the cake when the fucking direct result of it and the people spearheading this movement is to intimidate politicians[/QUOTE] I don't think the entire point of this was to allow people to send death threats to politicians. I think this was about allowing them to do something that lets their voices be heard when the "right way" doesn't work. If you're threatening to kill someone, you should face the consequences. If you're mailing protest letters to your politicians home because you aren't being heard at his office, then you should be allowed to do so. Being elected to office affords you no extra protections. [QUOTE]I mean what does this even mean? I'm saying this isn't acceptable at all. I'm saying the exact opposite of what you are saying here?[/QUOTE] I'm saying you're staunchly advocating that people use only the official contacts for people, and if they don't get through or get ignored, then tough luck. That is wrong. Ideally, things should work every time through the official contacts, and there should be no need to contact home addresses of lawmakers. But, the world isn't perfect and sometimes people suck. So this is what has to be done to be heard. What were your thoughts when they had a huge gay block party in front of VP Pence's house?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51896110]people who are being sent death threats that could seriously harm themselves or their family should be allowed to have their personal information taken down off the internet? like that's literally my position[/QUOTE] I agree with you. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not lawmakers deserve special protections over regular citizens.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51896110]people who are being sent death threats that could seriously harm themselves or their family should be allowed to have their personal information taken down off the internet? like that's literally my position[/QUOTE] Stoppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp... Death threats are illegal, with or without doxing laws. Death threats are not what we are debating, it's the only thing you are using to retort. It's literally been said at least 3 times now that there should be laws to prevent doxing from [B][I]everyone[/I][/B], not just lawmakers. Why are they afforded extra protection when the average Joe should be too?
[QUOTE=froztshock;51893857]Nah I s'pose ya' didn't you just tried to make a smug point about how if someone were scared and intimidated enough they'd see YOUR side. "Lol, that idiot is even MORE scared of gun people now that they've published his place of residence and personal information, maybe that'll make him see that we're not monsters that want to use the freedoms he's trying to legislate on to kill his family! This [B]definitely[/B] proves that we have the maturity to own firearms for self defense and recreation!" Like do you people think this shit through? If I wanted to ban guns I'd be fucking rubbing my hands together with glee over this. Just pay some people to astroturf more pro-gun groups into doing stuff like this and you'll have the best argument against gun ownership that's existed in decades, rofl. "They literally have public lists of the residences of people who they hate..." Like, by all means I don't give that many shits about gun law myself, but like... This is advice. Don't do this shit, or your fight [I]will[/I] get harder. [/QUOTE] lolwhat [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight]
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