Breaking: Boston Marathon Bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev sentenced to death - Polidicks

[QUOTE=woolio1;47731713]The death penalty isn't about revenge. It's about removing a potentially dangerous person from society in a way that doesn't impose a $400k tax burden per year. Prisoners and life sentences are expensive. With a death penalty, it's just over. You don't have to worry about recidivism, or escape, or rehabilitation. It's a practical solution to a complex problem. Is it the best thing? Probably not. But it's cheap, and easy, and safe.[/QUOTE] I remember that prisons breed extremists too.

[QUOTE=Jzzb;47732254]I hope nothing like what he did ever happens again[/QUOTE] Its bound to happen. Thankfully most bombs these days are not high quality and purchasing stuff like tannerite and the ingredients for RDX will get you a nice FBI visit these days.

It kind of scares me how quickly Facepunch can go from "no death penalty at all for any reason" to "GOOD RIDDANCE" revenge boner mode. Not saying either side is 100% correct, just an observation.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47732900]Its bound to happen. Thankfully most bombs these days are not high quality and purchasing stuff like tannerite and the ingredients for RDX will get you a nice FBI visit these days.[/QUOTE] Im almost positive Tannerite is completely legal in the USA and pretty damn easy to get. Its just getting the stuff to activate it remotely requires a ton of legit permits/licenses(so you cant safely detonante it from somewhere) The only option to set it off I think otherwise is to shoot it with a gun, and the bullets need to be right as well. A bigger fear is a small terrorist group getting a hold of a nuke. The more being made the higher the chance that one day someone that shouldnt have one gets one. [editline]15th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Paraprose;47732929]It kind of scares me how quickly Facepunch can go from "no death penalty at all for any reason" to "GOOD RIDDANCE" revenge boner mode. Not saying either side is 100% correct, just an observation.[/QUOTE] To me, Death Penalty is a case by case type of deal. Most cases I think its worthless. But their are some people who I honestly believe deserve it. Lets not kid ourselves, not everyone is worth being able to live and its entirely their fault for making it that way.

I thought this news was out several weeks ago. I distinctly remember hearing about this guy being sentenced to death several weeks ago. Or did I have a prophetic dream?

[QUOTE=UserNotFound;47732959]I thought this news was out several weeks ago. I distinctly remember hearing about this guy being sentenced to death several weeks ago. Or did I have a prophetic dream?[/QUOTE] He was charged guilty a few weeks ago but the sentence hadn't been announced yet.

[QUOTE=woolio1;47731713]The death penalty isn't about revenge. It's about removing a potentially dangerous person from society in a way that doesn't impose a $400k tax burden per year. Prisoners and life sentences are expensive. With a death penalty, it's just over. You don't have to worry about recidivism, or escape, or rehabilitation. It's a practical solution to a complex problem. Is it the best thing? Probably not. But it's cheap, and easy, and safe.[/QUOTE] That isin't true. It can cost upwards of 10 times as much to execute a prisoner rather than giving them life without parole, and at least 500k more from my understanding, due to the length of the trials, the appeals processing, and the special housing needed for death row inmates. Please, this argument about it being a matter og economic efficiency for the tax payers not only dismisses the serious ethical questions regarding "eye for an eye" punishment, but has also been debunked in almost all of these threads. Can we stop pretending that you can reduce something like the death penalty to a simple fourth grade math problem? One that is wrong on top of that? Sources: [URL="http:// http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty"]http:// http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty[/URL] [URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/"]http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/[/URL] And I'm late... I missed the better sourced post on the previous page.

[QUOTE=Swiket;47732964]He was charged guilty a few weeks ago but the sentence hadn't been announced yet.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure it was announced he got the death sentence a few weeks ago. Because I saw it on the news on TV during dinner and my parents were like "wow he got the death sentence" and I was like "yeah I heard about that a few weeks back".

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;47732384]Don't they? I have a hard time reckoning with the idea that life in high-sec prison is somehow more merciful or humane than putting someone to the sword figuratively speaking. Now see, I can understand objecting to it from a point of procedure: what if the person is truly innocent and the courts have made a mistake? - it happens. But the idea that life imprisonment in a cage is somehow better than killing is not one i can get behind, it seem one born out of willful ignorance: out of sight, out of mind, hes locked up and i dont have to feel any moral turpitude about what we're doing. Especially considering US high-sec prisons are some the most barbaric places on Earth. In context, this isn't a man who is going to do his time and repay his debt to society and walk out in 50 years. Its either the death penalty, or life in prison. If the problem is one of morality, the latter is far more cruel.[/QUOTE] Well, the dilemma brought up by people who belive more in lwp than the death penalty is that, since almost all the arguments boil down to wanting revenge/justice, then why not the let the person in question rot in one of the worst prison systems in the west rather than ending his suffering prematurely and without the pain he/she inflicted on others? Personally, I believe in lwp AND decent prison systems, but it's something that a lot of people seem to glance over in their thirst for revenge.

His first mistake was choosing Boston as a target. You fucked up you Russian son-of-a-bitch, and now you're paying the price.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;47732182]I dunno about you guys, but getting life in prison sounds 10x worse than the death penalty.[/QUOTE] You still get to hang out in jail for a while even if you're sentenced to death, you don't actually know when you'll die until very soon before the execution, and the execution itself can go horribly wrong and take far too long because whoever's in charge of the lethal dose fucked it up tremendously.

[QUOTE=matt000024;47731530]No one deserves the death penalty though.[/QUOTE] Even the Nazis that orchestrated a 6 million genocide?

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;47732941] To me, Death Penalty is a case by case type of deal. Most cases I think its worthless. But their are some people who I honestly believe deserve it. Lets not kid ourselves, not everyone is worth being able to live [/quote] That is up for debate. I'd argue killing someone when it does not save another life is unnecessary. They might be rehabilitated (no matter how many times Facepunch says that [insert person who committed just about any crime here] can't be), and you won't know til you try. [quote]and its entirely their fault for making it that way.[/QUOTE] There are quite a few factors, i.e. the fact he spent time as a child in Chechnya, which can mess someone up, and the fact that his older brother was the ring leader, meaning there was a strong authority figure involved, which mean that there's at least a chance that he's not as terrible a person as his actions will have you believe. Picked out this post for recency, but there are a load of people who seem to reject the notion that empathy, rational observation and morality should apply, and completely dismiss it. If this were a book told from his perspective, the vast majority of people would be against the death penalty, and I think that says something. It's a shame that the choice is between a fucked up death penalty and a fucked up prison system, because society could achieve a lot more with a proper, rehabilitative prison system, and the fact that the objectively best option isn't even on the table is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=woolio1;47731713]It's a practical solution to a complex problem. Is it the best thing? Probably not. But it's cheap, and easy, and safe.[/QUOTE] Not only is this factually wrong, but can you seriously not see how incredibly, disturbingly fucked up it is to unceremoniously decide that it's alright to take a life because it's "cheaper, easier and safer" than the other alternative? Listen to yourself for god's sake

[QUOTE=Carne;47731455]Even for what he did this makes me feel very uncomfortable. Edit: I guess I see nothing to cheer about. It's another human being killed. It's revenge instead of justice. That's what I think about the death penalty in general.[/QUOTE] I think of death penalty of state sanctioned murder and if you support capitol punishment you are pro-murder in my books.

[QUOTE=woolio1;47731713]The death penalty isn't about revenge. It's about removing a potentially dangerous person from society in a way that doesn't impose a $400k tax burden per year. Prisoners and life sentences are expensive. With a death penalty, it's just over. You don't have to worry about recidivism, or escape, or rehabilitation. It's a practical solution to a complex problem. Is it the best thing? Probably not. But it's cheap, and easy, and safe.[/QUOTE] It's not cheap though, or quick, and with increasingly restricted access to the drugs used, it's not even easy anymore. Prisoners on death row cost much more to keep incarcerated, and the appeals process can take decades.

[QUOTE=paindoc;47731952]Bill Richards testimony is enough for me to think the bomber deserves death. Bill Richards knew his 8 year old son was going to die, but he also had to save his 7 year old quickly or she would lose her leg. He had to leave his son to die and rushed his daughter to be saved. That was the last time he saw his son. [URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/05/us/boston-marathon-bombing-trial/[/URL] testimony here.[/QUOTE] Bill Richard's [URL="http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/04/16/end-anguish-drop-death-penalty/ocQLejp8H2vesDavItHIEN/story.html"]urged the jury not to pursue the death penalty[/URL]. [QUOTE=TestECull;47732078]And yet I somehow doubt there's a single sane person in that state who's gonna cry 'bah don't kill him'. He blew up a marathon, after all. Something relatively harmless and family friendly. There's a limit to how far someone will stick to something like 'No death penalty' and this guy has shot right past that limit.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/09/15/most-boston-residents-favor-life-without-parole-for-tsarnaev-convicted-poll-shows/Ur6ivWIUiYCpEZLXBApHDL/story.html"]Majority of Boston residents[/URL] support life in prison over the death penalty for Tsarnaev. There are a few other polls you can find with similar numbers. Americans in general are mostly split with a slight leaning towards execution over life in prison (47 to 42).

[QUOTE=Darth Hater;47733178]Bill Richard's [URL="http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/04/16/end-anguish-drop-death-penalty/ocQLejp8H2vesDavItHIEN/story.html"]urged the jury not to pursue the death penalty[/URL].[/quote] Because they don't want to be dragged through future appeals and made to relive that day-- not out of any moral or ethical or rational objections to it. That's literally the point of their statement you referenced. Nor should they be. Tsarnaev is guilty, has been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and has been sentenced to death. This was a fair trial, and he should be executed immediately with all these points in mind. McVeigh needed to be given the same treatment, although a six year delay honestly wasn't a terrible wait in his case; he needed to be executed sooner though. [quote=Darth Hater;47733178][URL="http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/09/15/most-boston-residents-favor-life-without-parole-for-tsarnaev-convicted-poll-shows/Ur6ivWIUiYCpEZLXBApHDL/story.html"]Majority of Boston residents[/URL] support life in prison over the death penalty for Tsarnaev. There are a few other polls you can find with similar numbers. Americans in general are mostly split with a slight leaning towards execution over life in prison (47 to 42).[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/23/tsarnaev-death-penalty-poll_n_7128880.html]Polls also show the decision to say "life in prison without parole" is easier when you don't have to sit on the jury and listen to the gorey details of the crime.[/url] 47% of respondents to a poll conducted by Suffolk University said in that situation, they would vote yes to the death penalty for Tsarnaev. 53% of all Americans according to a CNN/ORC International poll conducted last month agreed he should be executed as well. The general consensus amongst the American people is that he should be executed. More importantly, the jury unanimously agreed he was guilty and should be executed. Which is how it works in Massachusetts; one dissenter means LWOP. Their decision is all that matters.

This is stupid, death is too good for this asshole and only serves to make a martyr out of him. Had got life, he'd end up in a federal supermax strapped to a fucking bed for the next 40+ fucking years as he slowly lost his mind from lack of human contact and inability to do anything. Life in a super max is a much worse than the death penalty, what a fucking waste

I still think it's bullshit that this is somehow a federal case. It was in Mass. which doesn't have a death penalty.

He's a young guy. He has the rest of his life to reform in jail, do some good for the people around him. How is this the ideal outcome?

[QUOTE=masterbateman;47733541]He's a young guy. He has the rest of his life to reform in jail, do some good for the people around him. How is this the ideal outcome?[/QUOTE] Killing this kid certianly isn't going to bring back lost loved ones or missing limbs, I feel bad for the kid but at the same time he did aid in a brutal bombing of many individuals. Still don't think an eye for an eye is the right way to go.

[QUOTE=Govna;47733317]Because they don't want to be dragged through future appeals and made to relive that day-- not out of any moral or ethical or rational objections to it. That's literally the point of their statement you referenced. Nor should they be. Tsarnaev is guilty, has been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and has been sentenced to death. This was a fair trial, and he should be executed immediately with all these points in mind. McVeigh needed to be given the same treatment, although a six year delay honestly wasn't a terrible wait in his case; he needed to be executed sooner though. [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/23/tsarnaev-death-penalty-poll_n_7128880.html"]Polls also show the decision to say "life in prison without parole" is easier when you don't have to sit on the jury and listen to the gorey details of the crime.[/URL] 47% of respondents to a poll conducted by Suffolk University said in that situation, they would vote yes to the death penalty for Tsarnaev. 53% of all Americans according to a CNN/ORC International poll conducted last month agreed he should be executed as well. The general consensus amongst the American people is that he should be executed. More importantly, the jury unanimously agreed he was guilty and should be executed. Which is how it works in Massachusetts; one dissenter means LWOP. Their decision is all that matters.[/QUOTE] I was in one case giving context for an emotional story being used to misrepresent the wishes and intent of the person who told it as well providing information to refute a factually incorrect statement in the second quote. Not making an argument on moral, ethical, or rational grounds. [editline] 4 January 2015 [/editline] However, I will provide an argument. To somehow forgo the appeals process and execute someone immediately because we're [I][B]really sure[/B][/I] he did it is poor legal precedent.

[QUOTE=masterbateman;47733541]He's a young guy. He has the rest of his life to reform in jail, do some good for the people around him. How is this the ideal outcome?[/QUOTE] Yeah! Instead, let's show him how wrong killing people is ... by killing him? Life in jail, throw the book at the bastard. But don't kill him.

[QUOTE=lope;47731452][url]http://www.wbur.org/2015/01/05/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-charges[/url][/QUOTE] What is the definition of "mass destruction" if a pressure cooker fits the bill?

This thread disgusts me - death penalty shouldn't be a thing, ever, in my opinion... Rotting in jail for years seems to be more of a punishment anyways

[QUOTE=Fort83;47732306]Unless you are family of one of the victims or a survivor then you're not really in any position to say that it wouldn't make them feel better.[/QUOTE] it definitely makes [I]you[/I] feel better, though. how convenient for you.

Personally not a supporter of the death sentence, but I gotta say it was a pretty interesting trial.

[QUOTE=DrogenViech;47733610]This thread disgusts me - death penalty shouldn't be a thing, ever, in my opinion... Rotting in jail for years seems to be more of a punishment anyways[/QUOTE] I'm against the death penalty as well. Murder is murder. Colour it all nice and tack a bow on it if you like, it's still murder. Can he ever be rehabilitated into society? I don't know. But psychiatric help and being kept away from the general public is in my opinion always the better option. At least then you're trying to not waste a life.

[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;47733632]I'm against the death penalty as well. Murder is murder. Colour it all nice and tack a bow on it if you like, it's still murder. Can he ever be rehabilitated into society? I don't know. But psychiatric help and being kept away from the general public is in my opinion always the better option. At least then you're trying to not waste a life.[/QUOTE] Even putting the morality of execution aside, a simple fact that cannot be disputed is that once you kill somebody, there is no bringing them back. Even cases which were thought to be open and shut have been overturned after the guilty has spent decades on death row. When somebody is in prison, they can be released, with execution they cannot.