Breaking: Boston Marathon Bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev sentenced to death - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fort83;47732306]Unless you are family of one of the victims or a survivor then you're not really in any position to say that it wouldn't make them feel better.[/QUOTE] to be honest what would make them feel better could not matter less to the morality or legality of it. i mean obviously you want them to feel like justice has been served, but they're pretty much the most heavily biased (possibly overly vindictive) party involved, they should be as far removed from proceedings as possible

just send him to a derelict island where he has to defuse bombs for food to survive for the rest of his life [editline]16th May 2015[/editline] I don't really have a good opinion on the death penalty anymore. It's a really hard thing to fathom to be in control of whether someone lives or dies

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;47735640] I don't really have a good opinion on the death penalty anymore. It's a really hard thing to fathom to be in control of whether someone lives or dies[/QUOTE] I think it's a fairly easy decision to make when you considering the fact that roughly 4 % of those who are sentenced to death are innocent of the crime they were sentenced for. If you support the death penalty you are saying you are fine with innocent people being murdered and then how can you then turn around and say that murder is wrong?

Here is some food for thought: I just graduated from UMass Dartmouth and the commencement was yesterday. If the Boston bombings never happened he would very likely have graduated yesterday, but instead he was sentenced to the death penalty. Its pretty crazy how far people can fall.

The problem with life in prison is that he would likely be killed in prison anyways. Would have to just lock him in solitary until death.

What is with all the Americans defending the death penalty tooth and nails every time a thread like this is brought up? France is one of the latest countries where it was abolished, and even we get some education on why it's a terrible system. First off, unlike any other legal punishment, there's no taking it back once it's dealt. You can stop a prison sentence if you find the accused to be innocent, or pay back a fine, but you can't bring a man back to life. It's not like it's a theoretical issue that never happen in practice either. There has been multiple cases in the US alone where innocent people were killed only for it to be discovered later on that they were not guilty of any crime. That alone should be enough for any reasonable person to call for the abolition of the death penalty. But then people who are not even directly concerned by the crimes committed cheer at the idea of putting someone they're not even sure is guilty to death, and then try to justify their bloodlust by making up practical advantages to the death penalty, such as: [QUOTE]I don't want my taxes to pay for this criminal's food and bed for the entirety of his life.[/QUOTE] But then there's no problem with paying even more towards the juridical procedures that are required to put someone to death, are supposed to make sure the accused is guilty and aren't even perfect systems, which means some innocents get through anyway. The only way for it to be more economically practical to use the death penalty would be to ignore these procedures, which means even more innocents will be killed. But I guess your money is more important than that. [QUOTE]The death penalty acts as a powerful deterrent against crime.[/QUOTE] Which makes sense in theory, but in practice it has very little effect on the crime rate, as was shown by several studies. The majority of murders aren't premeditated anyway, so it's likely punishment didn't even cross their mind while they were commiting their crime. [QUOTE]Killing the criminal is a good way to make the family feel at peace. [/QUOTE] Ignoring that the concept of revenge as a coping mechanism is frankly questionable, that's not what justice is about. Its main role is to keep society safe either through deterrence or by keeping its dangerous elements behind bars so they can't harm other people. Its goal is not to satisfy some kind of mob mentality. If the victim's wellbeing is something you are actually concerned about, then giving them psychological assistance is going to do much more good to them than offing the person they hate. Being against the death penalty isn't about being sympathetic towards actual criminals (as if being disgusted by lynch mob mentality was equivalent to pitying murderers) it's about having a basic civilised view of justice and logical thinking. Every time I or another person brings up arguments against the death penalty, its proponents try to play the emotional card by accusing them of sympathizing with monsters and not being empathetic enough towards the victims, or at best outright ignore them. Those points are never addressed, which leads me to think the defenders of the death penalty are nothing more than closet sadists who make up excuses so that the only way for them to satisfy their urges under a righteous pretense can remain.

What's that sound? Here comes the morally superior eurotrash. Loooook oooouuuuut! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitpost" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;47735888]What's that sound? Here comes the morally superior eurotrash. Loooook oooouuuuut![/QUOTE] Oh hey what's that? An American who outright ignores the many arguments against the death penalty brought up by all the people in this thread and just chooses to shitpost. Perhaps I was right after all, defenders of state-dispensed murder have no valid reason to promote it other than their own sadistic tendencies. Prove me wrong or just get the fuck out.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;47735888]What's that sound? Here comes the morally superior eurotrash. Loooook oooouuuuut![/QUOTE] Gee I wonder what's your state's stance on the death penalty [quote="Wikipedia"]Alabama has the highest per capita death penalty rate in the country. In some years, it imposes more death sentences than Texas, a state with a population five times as large. (...) Alabama's death penalty system is criticized for ineffective legal support for inmates facing death sentences.[/quote] Yeah okay

My girlfriend was in Boston at the time this happened, it could very well have been her hurt by this. This stupid prick gets no pity from me.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;47735888]What's that sound? Here comes the morally superior eurotrash. Loooook oooouuuuut![/QUOTE] [I]GUBMENT OUGHTA SHOVE THOSE PALE RAT FUCKS IN A PHONE BOOTH AND FLOAT EM BACK TO COMMIELAND! [B]U[/B]-[B]S[/B]-[B]A[/B]! [B]U[/B]-[B]S[/B]-[B]A[/B]![/I]

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;47734392]I always love reading through threads like this. How the hell can some people have the opinion of " Death penalty is wrong, but it's still okay if the person is really bad [I]in my opinion[/I] " If you don't support death penalty, it means you don't support it. You don't get to pick who deserves to die and who doesn't, stick with what you believe in[/QUOTE] Thats stupid as fuck honestly. If you made me decide who deserved the death penalty over someone who murdered 1 person, and Hitler, then I would apply the death penalty to Hitler. Going case by case IS a belief of the death penalty. Some people are flat out horrible monsters who have honestly pass that line of being considered a human being. They cross that line for me when they rape and murder tons of people with no remorse and talking and rehabilitation wont do anything. It also wouldnt help that some of these horrible people could just lie their way through and they could come off as a better citizen only to redo the shit they did before. Which isnt uncommon at all. Like I said, these things are not comparable. Someguy stabbing or shooting a guy a few times killing him vs stalking and kidnapping women, killing them, chopping them up into pieces, eating them and using bones as decor and utensils . 1 of these in my eyes is worth the death penalty. If that makes me a bad person because I dont see someone like that as equal than so be it.

[QUOTE=Fort83;47736271]It's more case by case basis type of thing.[/QUOTE] Then you're pro-death penalty.

[QUOTE=Captain James;47736009]My girlfriend was in Boston at the time this happened, it could very well have been her hurt by this. This stupid prick gets no pity from me.[/QUOTE] Same. Both my mom and sister had plans to go that day but something came up the day before. My Pre-school teachers(who is really good friends with my family) friend was that guy who lost his leg being pushed in that wheelchair. Was one of the more viraled pictures. Also someone a bit close to my family(my moms friend) daughter was their and she now has legit PTSD and has an extremely hard time going out these days, especially in public crowded areas. She was a young 20 something as well I think in college. These people fucked up a lot of lives, and some you probably dont hear about.

[QUOTE=matt000024;47734357]Laws and morals still apply to even the worst members of society.[/QUOTE] Human rights does not apply to inhuman people.

Yes they do.

[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;47736814]Human rights does not apply to [b]inhuman people[/b].[/QUOTE] What? That doesn't even make any sense.

You can't selectively apply rights, otherwise they are not rights.

[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;47736814]Human rights does not apply to inhuman people.[/QUOTE] I'm certain those exact words were used by a Nazi sometime during World War II.

[QUOTE=_Axel;47735789]What is with all the Americans defending the death penalty tooth and nails every time a thread like this is brought up? France is one of the latest countries where it was abolished, and even we get some education on why it's a terrible system. First off, unlike any other legal punishment, there's no taking it back once it's dealt. You can stop a prison sentence if you find the accused to be innocent, or pay back a fine, but you can't bring a man back to life. It's not like it's a theoretical issue that never happen in practice either. There has been multiple cases in the US alone where innocent people were killed only for it to be discovered later on that they were not guilty of any crime. That alone should be enough for any reasonable person to call for the abolition of the death penalty. But then people who are not even directly concerned by the crimes committed cheer at the idea of putting someone they're not even sure is guilty to death, and then try to justify their bloodlust by making up practical advantages to the death penalty, such as: But then there's no problem with paying even more towards the juridical procedures that are required to put someone to death, are supposed to make sure the accused is guilty and aren't even perfect systems, which means some innocents get through anyway. The only way for it to be more economically practical to use the death penalty would be to ignore these procedures, which means even more innocents will be killed. But I guess your money is more important than that. Which makes sense in theory, but in practice it has very little effect on the crime rate, as was shown by several studies. The majority of murders aren't premeditated anyway, so it's likely punishment didn't even cross their mind while they were commiting their crime. Ignoring that the concept of revenge as a coping mechanism is frankly questionable, that's not what justice is about. Its main role is to keep society safe either through deterrence or by keeping its dangerous elements behind bars so they can't harm other people. Its goal is not to satisfy some kind of mob mentality. If the victim's wellbeing is something you are actually concerned about, then giving them psychological assistance is going to do much more good to them than offing the person they hate. Being against the death penalty isn't about being sympathetic towards actual criminals (as if being disgusted by lynch mob mentality was equivalent to pitying murderers) it's about having a basic civilised view of justice and logical thinking. Every time I or another person brings up arguments against the death penalty, its proponents try to play the emotional card by accusing them of sympathizing with monsters and not being empathetic enough towards the victims, or at best outright ignore them. Those points are never addressed, which leads me to think the defenders of the death penalty are nothing more than closet sadists who make up excuses so that the only way for them to satisfy their urges under a righteous pretense can remain.[/QUOTE] But the point is they wouldnt want to take it back. He killed people, people want revenge. He gets killed. We have 100% proof this guy did it, and although people will fight over morality, this guy is going to be killed because of emotions.

I'm probably the worst liberal when it comes to the death penalty. I don't like the death penalty because our justice system isn't 100% accurate, not because someone is killed in the process. I don't know if I just have a flawed way of thinking, but what's worse? Spending ~70 years of your life in a maximum security prison or a quick and painless death? [editline]4[/editline] But there's a difference between justice and revenge. Justice is fair and revenge is bias, revenge is fueled by emotions. I'm not being poetic but if you're making decision based on your emotions then it isn't justice.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47736899]I'm probably the worst liberal when it comes to the death penalty. I don't like the death penalty because our justice system isn't 100% accurate, not because someone is killed in the process. I don't know if I just have a flawed way of thinking, but what's worse? Spending ~70 years of your life in a maximum security prison or a quick and painless death?[/QUOTE] most people on death row don't even get executed, they die waiting instead

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47736899]I'm probably the worst liberal when it comes to the death penalty. I don't like the death penalty because our justice system isn't 100% accurate, not because someone is killed in the process. I don't know if I just have a flawed way of thinking, but what's worse? Spending ~70 years of your life in a maximum security prison or a quick and painless death?[/QUOTE] That's completely subjective. I'm sure there are people who would rather suffer 1000 years in the worst dungeon ever as long as they got to survive in the end. Either way, spending life in prison isn't necessarily the torture a lot of people seem to think it is.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47736923]That's completely subjective. I'm sure there are people who would rather suffer 1000 years in the worst dungeon ever as long as they got to survive in the end. Either way, spending life in prison isn't necessarily the torture a lot of people seem to think it is.[/QUOTE] Crazy idea for a discussion. Should sane Criminals who are found guilty of the most extreme charges choose if they want to spend life in prison or receive the death penalty?

Its hard to imagine that people actually support the death penalty in this day and age

[QUOTE=Fort83;47731615]Justice is served[/QUOTE] I dont know, I feel like Life in solitary would be better, Then he HAS to think about what hes done. wishful thinking.

[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;47736814]Human rights does not apply to inhuman people.[/QUOTE] Yes it does.

[QUOTE=Bumrang;47736975]Its hard to imagine that people actually support the death penalty in this day and age[/QUOTE] It's hard to imagine that people will actually commit mass murder in this day and age. Maybe when people stop acting like savages, then we won't need such "harsh" punishments.

[QUOTE=Forumaster;47737084]It's hard to imagine that people will actually commit mass murder in this day and age. Maybe when people stop acting like savages, then we won't need such "harsh" punishments.[/QUOTE] of course the only sensible reaction to someone committing a mass murder is to kill them as well an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind etc. we don't live in hammurabi's time anymore, it's the 21st century

[QUOTE=Bumrang;47737211]of course the only sensible reaction to someone committing a mass murder is to kill them as well an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind etc. we don't live in hammurabi's time anymore, it's the 21st century[/QUOTE] People like this who clearly show they intend to kill anyone they can need to be removed from that possibility permanently. Say he were to have gotten a life sentence. Then in a few years he escapes and manages to kill a few more hundred people. The point of the death penalty in my eyes is not vengeance, but prevention. Put it this way. Let's say you got a flesh eating virus on your hand. Would you: A. Put a tourniquet on your arm, trying to separate the virus from the rest of your body while keeping it attached B. Amputate your fucking hand before it can cause you pain beyond imagining and then kill you