Father accidentally kills himself in front of children at grocery store - Polidicks

to be honest, something that's designed to primarily to rip through humans and kill them can only be so safe. the only reason I can possibly imagine america is so insistent on them is because they've just been so indoctrinated.

As stated before, Glocks have no safety on them, and depending on the model, the trigger could be quite sensitive. I can't really say "He Deserved It" though, it was an honest [and fatal] mistake.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33356373]As stated before, Glocks have no safety on them, and depending on the model, the trigger could be quite sensitive.[/QUOTE] As stated before, Glocks have THREE safeties, but none of them are MANUAL safeties. Everyone should read this before commenting about them again: [quote]The three safeties are: Trigger Safety: An external integrated trigger safety lever mechanism contained within the triggerguard that prevents the trigger from moving unless the lever is depressed. Striker Safety: A spring-loaded pin attached by an extension bar to the trigger assembly blocks the striker from striking the primer of the cartridge until the trigger is pulled. Drop Safety: The far end of the same extension bar locks the striker into place from the rear until the trigger is pulled.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_action[/url] If he would've followed the basic rules when handling a gun then it would have never happened. You can't blame the gun because the fact is that it WON'T go off unless someone depresses the trigger and there's a round in the chamber.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;33356323]to be honest, something that's designed to primarily to rip through humans and kill them can only be so safe. the only reason I can possibly imagine america is so insistent on them is because they've just been so indoctrinated.[/QUOTE] I'm not asking you to understand us, but please have the restraint to not make brash and ignorant remarks about things you have little understanding of.

Damn, I did some urban training with Simunition Glocks the other day, and I was scared to put that fucker in my pocket...let alone the real thing... For reference: [url]http://imgur.com/0bLnx[/url] They hurt a lot more than paintballs

Simunitions are fired from real firearms. I've done some training with them. All the conversion kit does is alter the weapon's internal mechanism so the lessened gas pressure of the simunition round can still cycle the action. As for the OP: Glocks have, more or less, the same safety mechanism as double-action revolvers, which is the heavy trigger pull necessary to fire them. Plenty of people concealed-carry loaded revolvers. The thing is, you should have a holster. If not, a round absolutely shouldn't be chambered. No holster, a chambered round, no grip safety- a recipe for disaster.

[QUOTE=catbarf;33356963]Simunitions are fired from real firearms. I've done some training with them. All the conversion kit does is alter the weapon's internal mechanism so the lessened gas pressure of the simunition round can still cycle the action. [/QUOTE] Yeah ok, by the real thing I meant one with a live round chambered instead of one made of paint.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;33356323]to be honest, something that's designed to primarily to rip through humans and kill them can only be so safe. the only reason I can possibly imagine america is so insistent on them is because they've just been so indoctrinated.[/QUOTE] People are insistent here because our constitution has their ownership as a basic right

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33351685]This is why I think gun training should be mandatory for gun ownership...[/QUOTE] why anyone would disagree with this I will never know....

[QUOTE=viperfan7;33357183]why anyone would disagree with this I will never know....[/QUOTE] Uhh cause it sort of goes against the "basic right" thing. Can't really be a right if you have to take a course to have said right.

I'm still trying to figure out why he was carrying a loaded, hot pistol in his belt. Hell, I always triple check to make sure there isn't one in the chamber when I'm at the god damn range.

[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;33351268][url]http://www.wtkr.com/news/wtvr-father-kills-self-grocery-store-20111114,0,2106466.story[/url] Inb4 massive gun control debate[/QUOTE] No need for a debate on gun control, just gun safety. When will people learn NOT to carry a round in the chamber on weapons that do NOT have safeties and ARE NOT at least double action. If you have a hard holster you can probably get away with it but I still wouldn't carry with one in the chamber unless the weapon had an actual safety on it It's the same thing as carrying a revolver with the hammer locked back, and the Glock 27, which is .40, I know has a trigger pull of about 5 pounds.. That's nothing, There are airsoft guns with heavier trigger pull

[QUOTE=Robbobin;33356323]to be honest, something that's designed to primarily to rip through humans and kill them can only be so safe. the only reason I can possibly imagine america is so insistent on them is because they've just been so indoctrinated.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call it indoctrinated but generally when people have had the right to own something for a long time they don't like it when people want to take that right away. It's the same with everything, not just guns. [editline]20th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman VII;33357473]Uhh cause it sort of goes against the "basic right" thing. Can't really be a right if you have to take a course to have said right.[/QUOTE] Personally I don't think people should be allowed something as dangerous as a gun without being formally educated on it, it isn't that much of an infringement on rights. It's not just for their own safety, someone else could have gotten hurt or killed if the circumstances were slightly different.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;33357610] Personally I don't think people should be allowed something as dangerous as a gun without being formally educated on it, it isn't that much of an infringement on rights. It's not just for their own safety, someone else could have gotten hurt or killed if the circumstances were slightly different.[/QUOTE] As someone who has owned a gun for a good while and been around them his entire life, I would like to see more instructional classes, ESPECIALLY for concealed carry. In Walker County, you can get a concealed carry permit just by going up to the sheriff's office and asking for one.

[QUOTE=areolop;33351540]They do too have a safety. There is a second trigger that must be pushed in for the main [firing] trigger to be used.[/QUOTE] Hitting the secondary trigger takes almost no effort, if you're capable of pulling the main trigger then the secondary is no obstacle

[QUOTE=Aman VII;33357473]Uhh cause it sort of goes against the "basic right" thing. Can't really be a right if you have to take a course to have said right.[/QUOTE] If I have to choose between being a dangerous bell-end with a gun and an educated gun owner, the choice is fairly obvious.

[QUOTE=>VLN<;33351341]Wow, I thought he got hit in the head or heart. But the hip? Just tie something around the wound, you shouldn't die from something like that.[/QUOTE] Legs are very dangerous limbs to get shot. They contain huge arteries and you can bleed out very quickly.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;33357473]Uhh cause it sort of goes against the "basic right" thing. Can't really be a right if you have to take a course to have said right.[/QUOTE] I have the right to drive, but I have to take a course before I can.

Guns aren't dangerous at all! Only hippies or humorously misinformed hockey moms would tell you otherwise! Guns are great and everyone is safer with one etcetera etcetera.

If they had just subscribed to Netflix none of this would have happen.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;33357473]Uhh cause it sort of goes against the "basic right" thing. Can't really be a right if you have to take a course to have said right.[/QUOTE] Everyone has a right to life, and idiots with guns deprive people of that right far too often.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33360248]Everyone has a right to life, and idiots with guns deprive people of that right far too often.[/QUOTE] Not to mention the right to have a dad.

[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;33354340]If I lived in a country where I was afraid to go grocery shopping without a firearm, I'd move.[/QUOTE] it's pretty difficult to leave the country. not just the fact that you've got to have the money to do so but it's very emotionally taxing to do. [editline]20th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;33360248]Everyone has a right to life, and idiots with guns deprive people of that right far too often.[/QUOTE] sometimes, but more often people with guns protect their own right to life.

This happened one county over from where I live, always weird reading shit about home on FP :/

The Glock is a very well designed weapon, a lot of people bash it for it's lack on a selectable safety switch. This is a gun designed to be put in a holster that covers the entire trigger and that rule should go for all weapons. Another problem is people get too comfortable and careless with their firearm and this happens. This is an easily avoidable accident, a lot of good people die by their own hands when it comes to firearms and this attributes to the high number of deaths involving firearms. Accidents like these give anti-gun groups a huge smile on their face because they can use this and generalize all gun owners as being an accident waiting to happen and a threat to the public. I agree with a lot of people here, people who own or carry a firearm should be qualified in some way to prove they have the mental capacity to follow these simple little rules. By the way, I own a gun.

A gun without a saftey switch seems like a very dangerous thing regardless of how the holster is designed. I can see how in certain situations it can be of benefit but I would feel uncomfortable with the idea.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;33357473]Uhh cause it sort of goes against the "basic right" thing. Can't really be a right if you have to take a course to have said right.[/QUOTE] Driving a car is arguably a right, and we have to take a class and acquire a license for that...

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;33363889]A gun without a saftey switch seems like a very dangerous thing regardless of how the holster is designed. I can see how in certain situations it can be of benefit but I would feel uncomfortable with the idea.[/QUOTE] I can understand that, a lot of people are just comfortable with the design. I honestly prefer the Springfiend XD/XDM line. They have a similar trigger safety but it also includes a grip safety like the 1911. My choice of carry gun is the 1911, it has 3 safeties. A thumb and grip safety along with a firing pin block. All of them can be disengaged before you have lined up your sights. The 1911 is designed to have a round in the chamber with the hammer down.

Holy shit, I could walk there from my house. That sucks.

if he didn't have a bullet in the chamber he wouldn't have died. same reason tex grebner shot himself. don't fucking carry with a bullet in the chamber kids!