[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47435834]A... April Fool's??[/QUOTE]
You wish
I literally worked with someone (before he left) in his late 50's, taking disability benefits (ironic considering his stance on "SOCIALISTS"), and yet getting paid under the table to avoid losing them... who literally believes anything fox news says
The day they passed the laws in favor of keeping the internet neutral and he said "You know the government just took over the internet right?"
There are so many hopeless, clueless braindead meatsack voters like him it isn't even funny. People who are so stuck in their ways and so uneducated that its impossible for them to do anything except always agree with whatever party they align to and never actually do their homework on issues. Compare that to your average internet-saavy individual who might see a shocking headline, then look up information to learn if it is true or not. These are the people that have never done such a thing in their lives, vote in favor of politicians and policies that [I]literally destroy[/I] our country so the big players can get rich alone and continue to landslide the US farther and farther away from being globally relevant and strong.
The only way this will get fixed is when the entire baby boomer generation finally die off. It sounds harsh but I would argue the majority of baby boomers I know think like that guy, and there a a [I]ton[/I] of them.
[B]Hey, guys, just so you know, the "constituents" that petitioned their congressional representatives are actually conservative groups that more or less hijacked email accounts to send fake emails.[/B]
[editline]1st April 2015[/editline]
[url]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/net-neutrality-email-american-commitment-116553.html?hp=b1_c1[/url]
[QUOTE=KorJax;47440463]Compare that to your average internet-saavy individual who might see a shocking headline, then look up information to learn if it is true or not.[/QUOTE]
If there's one thing this forum has taught me, it's that Internet-savvy liberal-leaning teenagers are every bit as reactionary and gullible as the older, more conservative generation they look down on. You don't need to look far in SH to see people having knee-jerk reactions to sensationalist headlines with no attempt at comprehension or fact-checking.
Just saying, careful where you throw those stones. And don't forget that despite the continuous predictions of the younger generations that all we need is for the old folks to die off, conservative ideals still run strong in this country, because the truth is that the divide is a lot more ideological and a lot less generational.
And this issue is not going to be resolved by writing off everyone against net neutrality as stuck in their ways and just hoping that media giants can force the FCC's hand. Google's reaction to SOPA showed that informing the masses actually works, and it's certainly a lot more effective than telling people they're deluded and hoping that you already have enough support to get your way.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47440789][B]Hey, guys, just so you know, the "constituents" that petitioned their congressional representatives are actually conservative groups that more or less hijacked email accounts to send fake emails.[/B]
[editline]1st April 2015[/editline]
[url]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/net-neutrality-email-american-commitment-116553.html?hp=b1_c1[/url][/QUOTE]
Isn't it illegal to pretend to be someone else to misrepresent their views on things?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47441579]Isn't it illegal to pretend to be someone else to misrepresent their views on things?[/QUOTE]
you act like that will stop anything. these fuckers constantly get away with muuuuuuuuuuucccccccch more.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;47437004][img]http://facepunch.com/image.php?u=203731&dateline=1421822107[/img]
You're ready.[/QUOTE]
gotta keep up the edgy exterior my avatar indicates i have
Perhaps we should change the name to "net equality" so the common layperson gets a better idea of what's at stake here without really looking into it (since they never do anyway).
[QUOTE=catbarf;47441348]If there's one thing this forum has taught me, it's that Internet-savvy liberal-leaning teenagers are every bit as reactionary and gullible as the older, more conservative generation they look down on. You don't need to look far in SH to see people having knee-jerk reactions to sensationalist headlines with no attempt at comprehension or fact-checking.
Just saying, careful where you throw those stones. And don't forget that despite the continuous predictions of the younger generations that all we need is for the old folks to die off, conservative ideals still run strong in this country, because the truth is that the divide is a lot more ideological and a lot less generational.
And this issue is not going to be resolved by writing off everyone against net neutrality as stuck in their ways and just hoping that media giants can force the FCC's hand. Google's reaction to SOPA showed that informing the masses actually works, and it's certainly a lot more effective than telling people they're deluded and hoping that you already have enough support to get your way.[/QUOTE]
While this is true (I know some die hard liberal friends who will believe anything pro-liberal even if the facts state completely otherwise), generally I find people around my age (20's-30's) who are more connected to the internet that also grew out of "high school mentality" stage tend to be a bit more aware, and tend to be able to fact check, even if its not much more.
So much of the baby boomer generation lives in fear. Fear of dying, fear of not being able to retire, fear of evil socialists, etc. They grew up believing in the american dream but in a world that instead shifted towards a globalized economy. I know I'm painting broad strokes here, but it is so easy around here to find baby boomers who are paranoid about a world they don't understand and can't ever understand vs ones who are not.
fucking koch brothers
literal piles of human garbage that leech away at society.
Petitions a lot of the time don't mean jack shit, because its really easy to get someone to sign a petition without thinking.
[video=youtube;yi3erdgVVTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw[/video]
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;47433892]-snip-
Also, Holy crap how stupid can people be?[/QUOTE]
uhhhhhh, what is obama care?
Not only are these people voting, they're politically active. God help us all.
The Koch Brothers. Ironic how those gun barons get people to shoot themselves in the ass over and over.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47434226]i wish all of the cable companies in our country burnt to the ground with their boardmembers locked inside[/QUOTE]
But then we wouldn't have [I]any[/I] internet and it'd [I]really[/I] be neutral.
Unfortunately, I believe both sides are correct on this matter.
We need a means to 'regulate', or at least help trim, big-business Telecommunication companies. That being said the Net Neutrality bill is scary because it has been delivered under the premise of the greater good, yet in the same sentence the FCC refused to disclose exactly what the details of Net Neutrality involved.
That is worrisome.
[QUOTE=Keys;47446947]Unfortunately, I believe both sides are correct on this matter.
We need a means to 'regulate', or at least help trim, big-business Telecommunication companies. That being said the Net Neutrality bill is scary because it has been delivered under the premise of the greater good, yet in the same sentence the FCC refused to disclose exactly what the details of Net Neutrality involved.
That is worrisome.[/QUOTE]
The net neutrality papers have been released for 3 weeks. Them not releasing them right away was par for the course, the last time they had was for something in 2007 iirc.
[QUOTE=Keys;47446947] yet in the same sentence the FCC refused to disclose exactly what the details of Net Neutrality involved.[/QUOTE]
Found the 313 Page document from the FCC themselves, hope that it can clear some stuff up.
[url]http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=da space core;47434012]the problem with this is that this number will grow. never underestimate the power of stupidity and uninformed voters. I am just hoping companies like google and netflix step in to create a PSA or something to educate the general public.[/QUOTE]
Netflix has a lot more to lose than we do on this, they'll say something. If netflix said "vote for this bill or netflix closes down" people will get it pretty quickly.
please tell me this was april fools
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;47437232]Hey Google, about that PSA campaign. Now would be a really good time to do it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it would do much. Net neutrality is an extremely partisan issue. The economic right doesn't like government intervention in private business, a PSA campaign isn't gonna change that.
[QUOTE=KorJax;47441749]While this is true (I know some die hard liberal friends who will believe anything pro-liberal even if the facts state completely otherwise), generally I find people around my age (20's-30's) who are more connected to the internet that also grew out of "high school mentality" stage tend to be a bit more aware, and tend to be able to fact check, even if its not much more.
So much of the baby boomer generation lives in fear. Fear of dying, fear of not being able to retire, fear of evil socialists, etc. They grew up believing in the american dream but in a world that instead shifted towards a globalized economy. I know I'm painting broad strokes here, but it is so easy around here to find baby boomers who are paranoid about a world they don't understand and can't ever understand vs ones who are not.[/QUOTE]
Most of us aren't very rigorous in our fact checking regardless. We'll check Google whether a second source exists, that's about it. And of course people are always very happy to go out of their way to look up a counterargument to positions they disagree with, but hesitant to test their own.
Haha, these people think differently. What a bunch of idiots!
[QUOTE=Agoat;47449296]Haha, these people think differently. What a bunch of idiots![/QUOTE]
Unless you are an executive of telecommunications oligopoly, or are being paid off by one, you stand nothing to gain and everything to lose from net neutrality being buried. The only reason to be on the other side of this particular fence is sheer ignorance to what will actually be accomplished, and thus what's at stake. So, it's not just a matter of having an opinion that differs from us, it's a matter of having an opinion that's based on ignorance and misinformation, and an opinion that could potentially cause incredible, and potentially irreversible damage to the internet's ability to grow, evolve, and adapt in a natural way by ripping the power out of the hands of the people and placing it completely into the self-serving, white-knuckle grip of just a few massive corporations.
Net neutrality is the political centerpiece of our generation. This marks the official status, and the official future, of what has arguably been the single most important invention in human history.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47449544]Unless you are an executive of telecommunications oligopoly, or are being paid off by one, you stand nothing to gain and everything to lose from net neutrality being buried. The only reason to be on the other side of this particular fence is sheer ignorance to what will actually be accomplished, and thus what's at stake. [B]So, it's not just a matter of having an opinion that differs from us, it's a matter of having an opinion that's based on ignorance and misinformation[/B], and an opinion that could potentially cause incredible, and potentially irreversible damage to the internet's ability to grow, evolve, and adapt in a natural way by ripping the power out of the hands of the people and placing it completely into the self-serving, white-knuckle grip of just a few massive corporations.[/QUOTE]
Could you possibly be any more condescending?
Portraying it as enlightened consumers vs ignorant corporate shills is an objectively wrong way to frame the issue considering the number of tech-savvy, informed people who, surprisingly, are not 100% onboard with the net neutrality bandwagon. Even Google's chairman is saying that the President is [URL="http://www.wsj.com/articles/jostling-begins-as-fccs-net-neutrality-vote-nears-1424819532"]making a mistake with the proposed implementation[/URL]. He's hardly the only person in the tech industry that isn't overwhelmingly in favor of how things have been progressing.
This 'either you support the FCC's proposed legislation in every word, or you're being paid off' bullshit is nothing but a false dichotomy. There are plenty of informed people who have problems with the currently-proposed solutions without being against forcing increased competition and innovation amongst ISPs, so maybe try making an argument that doesn't boil down to 'either you agree with me or you must be ignorant of the issue'?
I'm not against net neutrality, but I am against the zealots who try to turn this into a black-and-white issue.
Counter it with a petition to ignore their petition, get more sigs.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47449544]Unless you are an executive of telecommunications oligopoly, or are being paid off by one, you stand nothing to gain and everything to lose from net neutrality being buried. The only reason to be on the other side of this particular fence is sheer ignorance to what will actually be accomplished, and thus what's at stake. So, it's not just a matter of having an opinion that differs from us, it's a matter of having an opinion that's based on ignorance and misinformation, and an opinion that could potentially cause incredible, and potentially irreversible damage to the internet's ability to grow, evolve, and adapt in a natural way by ripping the power out of the hands of the people and placing it completely into the self-serving, white-knuckle grip of just a few massive corporations.
Net neutrality is the political centerpiece of our generation. This marks the official status, and the official future, of what has arguably been the single most important invention in human history.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't make anyone opposing it less intelligent than anyone that supports it. Why support a free and open internet if we're just going to dismiss ideas and beliefs because we disagree with them?
[QUOTE=Agoat;47449869]This doesn't make anyone opposing it less intelligent than anyone that supports it. Why support a free and open internet if we're just going to dismiss ideas and beliefs because we disagree with them?[/QUOTE]
Give me an idea and belief that isn't just going to fuck you in the ass that opposing this would do.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;47449956]Give me an idea and belief that isn't just going to fuck you in the ass that opposing this would do.[/QUOTE]
Not being purposefully ignorant?
[QUOTE=Agoat;47450001]Not being purposefully ignorant?[/QUOTE]
What? Give me a reason net neutrality is bad.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;47450151]Give me a reason net neutrality is bad.[/QUOTE]
We're not talking about net neutrality as a concept, we're talking about the FCC. The proposed FCC legislation isn't reducing the barrier to entry for new service providers, so it's allowing the existing corporations to maintain their stranglehold on the industry without any real competition. They're just being forced to treat their service like a utility, but not to innovate or substantially improve their services, and increased regulation will make it harder for startups to get in the game.
The reason net neutrality is big is because ISPs are using their position of mutually-brokered regional monopoly to screw over consumers and it's too hard for new companies to get in the game. Classing ISPs as common carriers is one way amongst many to address the symptoms of the problem, but isn't addressing the root cause, which is the lack of competition. Historically technologies and services have progressed most rapidly not when the government takes the reins, but when the government ensures a level playing field and makes it so new companies can be more successful than stagnating predecessors.
I think the FCC proposal is a step in the right direction but it has some issues and it's not a catch-all long-term solution to the underlying problem. Everyone's implying that being against the FCC proposal is siding with the ISPs, and that's just wrong.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47450233]We're not talking about net neutrality as a concept, we're talking about the FCC. The proposed FCC legislation isn't reducing the barrier to entry for new service providers, so it's allowing the existing corporations to maintain their stranglehold on the industry without any real competition. They're just being forced to treat their service like a utility, but not to innovate or substantially improve their services, and increased regulation will make it harder for startups to get in the game.
The reason net neutrality is big is because ISPs are using their position of mutually-brokered regional monopoly to screw over consumers and it's too hard for new companies to get in the game. Classing ISPs as common carriers is one way amongst many to address the symptoms of the problem, but isn't addressing the root cause, which is the lack of competition. Historically technologies and services have progressed most rapidly not when the government takes the reins, but when the government ensures a level playing field and makes it so new companies can be more successful than stagnating predecessors.
I think the FCC proposal is a step in the right direction but it has some issues and it's not a catch-all long-term solution to the underlying problem. Everyone's implying that being against the FCC proposal is siding with the ISPs, and that's just wrong.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I've got my fair share of problems with the FCC proposal, as I already outlined in another thread. The part of it that pisses me off is so many people are going to roll over and be content that this happened, without actually knowing what changed. (Hint, it wasn't much for us) So it's going to be that much harder to make real progress on this front.
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